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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
14. Some reality.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:17 AM
Apr 2018

Sprinkler systems for high-rise buildings are very expensive to install and maintain. That's probably why New York developers fought to avoid the installations, and they probably made compromise deals with the code people for installation of extra fire walls, automatic-closing doors, etc. to avoid sprinklers.

The primary reason they are so expensive is because of water head. If you were to supply one sprinkler head at the top of Trump Tower from a street level water source with no intermediate booster pump(s), it would require around 300psi of pressure - which is not practical. Therefore, booster pumps have to be installed in equipment rooms at various levels to achieve sufficient sprinkler head pressure at nominal flow. And, it may well be that an emergency electrical power supply (diesel or NG generators) for the pumps would be required as well.

Further, city water mains must be able to supply adequate volume for worse-case fire situations, and do so without completely starving the mains of water for other fire fighting needs.

In addition to all that, the codes always require stringent annual maintenance, inspection and testing of these systems, further adding to long-term cost.

It's very complex and requires a lot of design and planning to implement. Retrofitting an existing building is an even bigger mess. I'm just trying to provide an off-the-cuff perspective to help explain why Trump and other developers would fight against sprinkler codes.


I hope the Trump Org gets sued. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #1
Trump Tower was built in 1983; sprinklers in individual units not required until 1999. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #2
They may not have been required, but a decent owner/developer would have footed the bill EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10
Indeed. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #11
Well decent is not a word associated with the Con malaise Apr 2018 #13
Especially in the building where he and his family sleeps NightWatcher Apr 2018 #20
I still dont think this creep tweeted his condolences. He ironically tweeted a defense of crooked Trust Buster Apr 2018 #3
Why 50 fire trucks came to Trump Tower? quartz007 Apr 2018 #4
The flying monkeys are all over Twitter trying to blame Bill DeBlasio. GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #5
I'm surprised they aren't blaming Obama. Marie Marie Apr 2018 #6
The residential housing codes did not mandate sprinkler systems until 1999... Princess Turandot Apr 2018 #9
The building was grandfathered in also. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2018 #7
I am pretty sure they are supposed to. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #8
I dont understand Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #12
Some reality. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #14
like buying an old car..can you sue chevy cause your 56 doesn't have seatbelts and airbags? dembotoz Apr 2018 #15
Therein lies the rationale: the builder passes the cost along to the customer mnhtnbb Apr 2018 #17
K&R. Very true. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #18
They didn't have to buy dumbcat Apr 2018 #19
True, but time will tell. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #21
I moved in to a high rise apartment building mnhtnbb Apr 2018 #16
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