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Adrahil

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95. No. Shame on you.

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:18 AM

Apr 2018

MLK dfunitely understood the importance of economic inequality. But also ABSOLUTELY understood the unique place racism plays in the poverty of African Americans.

Shame on ANYONE who tries to erase that history. Jim Crow laws were directed at BLACK people, not all poor people. Systemic racism offer unique barriers to POC, not poor whites in Appalachia.

Without a doubt there is some common cause between all those in poverty.

But trying to pretend that there aren't unique circumstances for black people in this country is reductive, dismissive, and paternalistic.

Bernie does not get it. He never got it. And neither do many of his supporters. It is why he can never be the Democratic nominee.

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In Event Honoring MLK, Bernie Sanders Comments on Race and Barack Obama Raise Eyebrows [View all] sheshe2 Apr 2018 OP

GooD Catch Me. Apr 2018 #1

He can't talk about a topic he does not understand. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #3

Word. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #139

Oh God. When will this end? Do we need ANOTHER Bernie thread? Admins? Please? rainin Apr 2018 #2

You Didn't Have To Open This Thread Me. Apr 2018 #5

"The Admins" aren't going to help you.. Cha Apr 2018 #6

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #8

... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #10

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #11

What do you expect the Admins to do? lunamagica Apr 2018 #13

I'll let Robinson Jeffers answer your question. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #18

Martin Luther King sheshe2 Apr 2018 #19

Well, to be complete... Jim Lane Apr 2018 #32

What a beautiful quotation and source. Thank you, Jim Lane. nt Hekate Apr 2018 #38

Thank you for sharing that piece of inspiration. nt TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #70

Just ignore it if you don't want to read it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #23

It truly does given Sanders own words. arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #144

Who went to Mississippi and decided to criticize the Democratic Party and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #84

This! MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #89

Yep, he brings criticism upon himself. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #94

+1000! arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #145

Who benefits from that, I wonder? ehrnst Apr 2018 #125

Who could it be? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #127

Putin wants his Gopigs puppets and what better way to to keep arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #146

That is how I feel about Sanders pushing himself into this celebration. yardwork Apr 2018 #102

Well said. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #128

You nailed it darling! TY 👍👏✊️ arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #147

### NurseJackie Apr 2018 #140

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2018 #4

K&R Gothmog Apr 2018 #7

So typical.. he can't Cha Apr 2018 #9

He feels the need to control the discussion... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #14

Right.. I can imagine Cha Apr 2018 #15

He did the exact same thing with Rachel Maddow LisaM Apr 2018 #39

I knew that was his Cha Apr 2018 #42

Hi Cha! LisaM Apr 2018 #53

Aloha, LisaM! Cha Apr 2018 #54

K&R. Like Me asked in another thread, I wonder, whi invited him? Who thought lunamagica Apr 2018 #12

I read something about that. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #17

KnR! Good find, she. Its good to see these kinds R B Garr Apr 2018 #16

I thought Sanders' remarks were totally on point floppyboo Apr 2018 #20

the sanitation workers were already unionized. they were marching because of the treatment of Black JI7 Apr 2018 #21

This is all Bernie said to honor MLK. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #22

No, BS wasn't .. he was Cha Apr 2018 #24

What speech did you hear him give for unionizing sanitation workers? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #25

Fine, fine, not unionizing - but in support of unions floppyboo Apr 2018 #29

What speech was that? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #31

Fed to me? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #33

".. fed to you?" What are you implying? Cha Apr 2018 #45

Interesting comment. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #71

Insulting and a personal attack.. Cha Apr 2018 #72

Serioulsy??? I question your source, not you. floppyboo Apr 2018 #74

We are both perhaps finding the facts we want to hear? floppyboo Apr 2018 #76

Since I know who you and she are, to see "fed to you" makes my entire body tremble in rage Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #104

Thank you, Eliot.. just words Cha Apr 2018 #122

Thank you! 👍👏 arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #148

"Shame on you all" sheshe2 Apr 2018 #37

If King were alive, I bet he'd be more interested in talking about economic justice ... markpkessinger Apr 2018 #67

Not really. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #75

No matter how much they Cha Apr 2018 #79

Slavery ended with WWII? Prison labor isn't slavery? floppyboo Apr 2018 #81

Prison labor wasn't slavery? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #115

Really??? No - I'm not talking about African Americans floppyboo Apr 2018 #78

Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #92

Exactly EffieBlack Apr 2018 #129

Thank you 😊 MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #138

In case you haven't noticed, it seems to me that whenever Bernie is present it is always smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #88

Hello, smirky. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #116

Me too! arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #149

Right back at you. "Shame on you all". Cha Apr 2018 #47

Absolutely not. It was a campaign speech with a nasty attack on both Democrats and President Obama Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #85

Completely agree onetexan Apr 2018 #87

I think there would have been less damage to the party had he run as an independent. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #96

agree, but he should have never been allowed to run as Dem, and never should be allowed again onetexan Apr 2018 #142

Can he be stopped? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #150

No. Shame on you. Adrahil Apr 2018 #95

THANK you! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #130

Sigh.... nt Susan Calvin Apr 2018 #26

Thanks! Scurrilous Apr 2018 #27

Bernie keeps insisting that racism is a symptom of poverty RandySF Apr 2018 #28

Correct. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #30

yes, it certainly is. And why is that? floppyboo Apr 2018 #34

Is this something you've actually studied in depth? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #36

;) hmmm sheshe2 Apr 2018 #44

I feel comfortable saying, obviously not. herding cats Apr 2018 #48

yes, I have studied this in my distant youth floppyboo Apr 2018 #50

So, the answer is no EffieBlack Apr 2018 #90

Yea. Now take the next step. Adrahil Apr 2018 #98

That's ridiculous.. look at President Obama.. Cha Apr 2018 #35

huh? what? are you responding to my comment? floppyboo Apr 2018 #43

As you can see by my post I'm responding Cha Apr 2018 #46

oops - didn't see floppyboo Apr 2018 #60

Yup EffieBlack Apr 2018 #132

Exactly, Effie.. President Obama is a prime Cha Apr 2018 #137

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2018 #154

MLK was interested in addressing both racism and economic polarization. David__77 Apr 2018 #40

No. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #52

No what? David__77 Apr 2018 #58

My bad. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #59

Perhaps the senator could explain why AA doctors and lawyers mcar Apr 2018 #91

Even better, maybe non black people could shut up and listen for once Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #105

Now there's a fine idea! mcar Apr 2018 #113

actually racism is a tool of the 1 % to divide us ,which of course questionseverything Apr 2018 #101

actually racism is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #106

"Racism is a tool of the 1%?" Please just stop. You just don't seem to know enough EffieBlack Apr 2018 #134

How do those studies do that work? That doesn't entirely make sense to me. Institutional racism JCanete Apr 2018 #103

If it was all and only about free labor, why were white people also not enslaved? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #135

It was a valuable thing to keep that belief system in place. It was not good for poor whites. JCanete Apr 2018 #141

Study after study after study - none of which, I'll bet - Bernie has bothered to read EffieBlack Apr 2018 #131

I always look forward to The Root posts, thanks for posting! betsuni Apr 2018 #41

I love the Root...they be bad asses. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #49

Bernie is going to be exposed to a lot of sunlight between now and 2020. herding cats Apr 2018 #51

Sunlight have at 'er! The past has been picked over - floppyboo Apr 2018 #55

This is predawn. herding cats Apr 2018 #56

I missed that. What was his response to the criticism? floppyboo Apr 2018 #64

Yes, he did on Twitter yesterday. herding cats Apr 2018 #65

can you copy/paste that? I don't do twitter nt floppyboo Apr 2018 #80

No. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #68

Exactly! herding cats Apr 2018 #73

If he wishes to persue a 2020 run... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #57

I think he is, and that's exactly what I'm saying here. herding cats Apr 2018 #61

Thanks. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #66

We should ask other politicians how being in the spotlight as a front runner worked for them? herding cats Apr 2018 #69

I suspect that in 2020, like in 2016, the GOP will lay off Bernie in the primary... SidDithers Apr 2018 #93

So am I. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #117

Where are Bernie's tax returns? Nobody should give a pass to that again. yardwork Apr 2018 #151

Poor Bernie has only one analysis to work with, and it is reductionist... Hekate Apr 2018 #62

Reductionist, yes, but I believe after reading everything Hortensis Apr 2018 #82

+1000 Great post and very true. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #86

Don't want to get into the rest, but the truth is the goals difference IS there, and can be seen JCanete Apr 2018 #114

Now, you must know his goals are basically Democratic Party Hortensis Apr 2018 #143

Your POst Makes Me Think Of Ann Richards Me. Apr 2018 #97

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #126

Bernie is so tiny tiny next to the genius of Obama AlexSFCA Apr 2018 #63

To put the last paragraph in the OP in perpective: floppyboo Apr 2018 #77

What Sen. Sanders has never understood is that both racism and sexism are the main Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #83

We just discussed dthat its more complicated than that, and that economic incentives actually call JCanete Apr 2018 #100

I posted this before that. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #108

yeah, I edited after the fact to reflect that. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #111

Sorry missed it. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #124

What policy does Sanders propose that won't actually begin to address these things? JCanete Apr 2018 #99

To respond BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #107

Your post was compelling and I think true. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #109

Right, I agree that that is what white people think. That's why you dismantle that premise by JCanete Apr 2018 #112

As a (unfortunately long) response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #120

We are simply cynical about different aspects of the same problem. Actually, on edit, we are JCanete Apr 2018 #121

Again in response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #123

Teach! sheshe2 Apr 2018 #118

This is a fair criticism and that is refreshing GaryCnf Apr 2018 #110

Thank you, Gary. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #119

Compared to what I've heard him say about Barack in interviews, this was high praise. ucrdem Apr 2018 #133

Gotcha. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #136

Sanders isnt a racist. Hes more Archie Bunker Renew Deal Apr 2018 #152

That is a great explanation, Renew Deal. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #153