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In reply to the discussion: Joy Reid: For the record, Barack Obama is quite a bit more than just a charismatic leader. [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)219. People tend to see what they expect
Heck there was plenty of Obama criticism here. It started with the ACA not being enough.
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Joy Reid: For the record, Barack Obama is quite a bit more than just a charismatic leader. [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2018
OP
Bill Clinton was an excellent president but he was unable to get healthcare and President Obama
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#174
I love them both but I give Pres. Obama the top spot myself...but both were great.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#224
Obama faced unprecedented obstruction and hate, even worse than what Clinton did
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#226
If he would stop saying dumb stuff, people would not call him out for saying dumb stuff
emulatorloo
Apr 2018
#6
If he is the nominee, the crap that will be dug up by the Trump/Russia/CA machine will tank him
meadowlark5
Apr 2018
#11
And there's a reason he didn't release any full tax returns -- and it's not because
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#14
Elections are run by states..they can put any rules in place they choose. It is not a constitutional
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#175
I think it is reasonable too. People should have all the information before candidates are nominated
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#221
No one should be in a primary or caucus unless they first release their tax returns.
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#179
I agree about candidates releasing tax returns, but how would that necessarily
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#196
Oh, right. Bernie should be able to bash Obama and other Dems whenever he feels like it
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#8
There were more than African Americans that were offended by Bernie's remarks. nt
TexasTowelie
Apr 2018
#275
Is that why he wanted Obama primaried? Because he thought he was a good president?
MrsCoffee
Apr 2018
#195
Abso-fuckin-lutely!! And I do call it out most days... just tiring sometimes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#204
Absolutely, Democrats should not bash Pres. Obama...and independents sure as hell
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#176
It is bashing. When you call the party a 'failure' and make a dog whistle remark about President
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#225
Hardly, but Bernie is extremely popular & deserves at least a modicum of respect.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#97
IMO it is racially based to ASSUME Sanders gave more weight to Obama's part in the decline of votes
LiberalLovinLug
Apr 2018
#110
I'm not assuming anything about Bernie's motives. I'm reacting to what he SAID.
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#112
He was unvetted - no one knew anything about him because he was ignored by MSM and opposition resear
meadowlark5
Apr 2018
#229
Hillary was different because they had years, decades, of conditioning their flock against her
LiberalLovinLug
Apr 2018
#233
I still don't think he was talked about enough or in depth enough by anyone but that will be
meadowlark5
Apr 2018
#235
You think the only thing that would hurt him was to be called a "Socialist?"
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#245
You were saying, at least the way I understand it, is we are saying he's unvetted
meadowlark5
Apr 2018
#294
Why cannot you and others just accept him as the exception to the rule?
LiberalLovinLug
Apr 2018
#234
If a politician is still a "radical" after 30 years, he's doing something wrong
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#239
I guess so..I saw people on DU get frustrated, even angry with him but, but
whathehell
Apr 2018
#256
Except Bernie didn't bash Obama... so bashing Bernie incessantly is completely unjustified.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#96
I think that tenth place, give or take, is a pretty accurate assessment...
First Speaker
Apr 2018
#9
Thanks to Obama, the country never fell as far as it did in the years before FDR,
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#10
For the record, some ex-Democrat didn't say Obama wasn't more than just a charasmatic leader.
progressoid
Apr 2018
#15
His words were very carefully chosen -- and very dismissive of the President's accomplishments.
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#17
The way he juxtaposed his comments about the failure of the party and Obama as a "candidate"
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#32
Doesn't "suggest" anything. It's clear as hell & shameful some here wilfully ignore plain english.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#43
Neither you nor Bernie seem to understand the issue that many minority voters have
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#169
He's a brilliant guy. So what. Bernie was careful not to use any words that praised
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#36
Obama was President just a year and a half ago. And Bernie was there to commemorate
pnwmom
Apr 2018
#46
By saying he was an extraordinary candidate, but not saying how he was as a president
NewJeffCT
Apr 2018
#63
wow, yeah? All of them? I'm sure they all have the same thing to say about it. Or maybe you
JCanete
Apr 2018
#57
Don't see how that contributes to party unity... we need to come together against our common enemy!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#37
Yet it was Bernie attacking Democrats and Obama, so turn your question around.
R B Garr
Apr 2018
#73
I respect and agree with your last two points... that's fair. I would only point out
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#59
Did any of us go to an MLK event and then criticize the first Black president and the
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#177
Nope, sorry, Bernie did not say the Democratic Party has been a failure...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#259
Bernie: "The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has
betsuni
Apr 2018
#266
That's the money quote... which was followed by significant audience APPLAUSE IN AGREEMENT...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#267
Obviously, so why change the wording from "business model" to "Democratic Party" is a failure?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#269
Not really ...not at the moment. I watched the entire thing and got so angry I need to take a walk
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#178
For the record, it took Joy Reid longer to jump on this than I would have expected. Yay Joy,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#54
There wasn't a "but" in his statement !?!? Yaw acK like folk caint hear !!!!!!
uponit7771
Apr 2018
#133
Love Joy, but lost a little respect for her over this obvious fabrication.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#263
no, not really, anyway I look at it is not anyway you look at it, and some people were guaranteed,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#91
That is my impression of Joy Reid and her reception of Sanders onto the stage in the first place.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#137
And thats the best possible spin which would be a pathetic display of political
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#217
Joy works for Comcast, #31 on the Fortune 500. I'm sure Comcast loves the big tax break
jalan48
Apr 2018
#83
I feel like this OP has been taken over by negatives and allegations and repeats
erronis
Apr 2018
#94
Nope, it doesn't apply. Neoliberalism is a belief in a particular kind of economics.
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#150
Jimmy Carter is a decent man but was not a good president and lost to Reagan.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#180
Details, details!! Okay, back to bashin the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#192
Joy used to say similar stuff about Hillary when she was running against Obama
Quixote1818
Apr 2018
#241