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5. Let the vetting begin...

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 6, 2018, 12:46 AM

Apr 2018

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Joy Reid: For the record, Barack Obama is quite a bit more than just a charismatic leader. [View all] pnwmom Apr 2018 OP

Best president of my lifetime by a mile BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #1

What about Bill Clinton? oberliner Apr 2018 #70

Born in 1971 BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #71

Which one was your favorite? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #76

Bill Clinton, for sure oberliner Apr 2018 #89

The most peaceful and prosperous 8 years in generations. ChiTownDenny Apr 2018 #134

I was born in 1958 mcar Apr 2018 #147

What tips the scales for you for Obama over Clinton? oberliner Apr 2018 #152

8 years scandal free, for one mcar Apr 2018 #156

Bill Clinton was an excellent president but he was unable to get healthcare and President Obama Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #174

Not for lack of trying oberliner Apr 2018 #186

I love them both but I give Pres. Obama the top spot myself...but both were great. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #224

Obama faced unprecedented obstruction and hate, even worse than what Clinton did Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #226

Ditto here ailsagirl Apr 2018 #105

He is a nerdy policy wonk JI7 Apr 2018 #2

It's like he only remembers 2008 campaign Obama, not President Obama. betsuni Apr 2018 #27

or Senator Obama JI7 Apr 2018 #51

Sanders doesn't strike me as a very observant person. betsuni Apr 2018 #58

President Obama was a great POTUS Gothmog Apr 2018 #74

Let the Bernie bashing begin!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #3

Let the vetting begin... revmclaren Apr 2018 #5

This! mcar Apr 2018 #67

This. Thank you for rightfulling defining it. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #77

This +++++. nt jrthin Apr 2018 #104

Yes indeed. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #122

If he would stop saying dumb stuff, people would not call him out for saying dumb stuff emulatorloo Apr 2018 #6

If he is the nominee, the crap that will be dug up by the Trump/Russia/CA machine will tank him meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #11

And there's a reason he didn't release any full tax returns -- and it's not because pnwmom Apr 2018 #14

Exactly. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #123

Elections are run by states..they can put any rules in place they choose. It is not a constitutional Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #175

Agree... 5 years seems reasonable to me. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #194

I think it is reasonable too. People should have all the information before candidates are nominated Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2018 #135

He's not going to get the nomination. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2018 #171

No one should be in a primary or caucus unless they first release their tax returns. pnwmom Apr 2018 #179

I agree about candidates releasing tax returns, but how would that necessarily InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #196

This Hekate Apr 2018 #12

... SidDithers Apr 2018 #7

.. Cha Apr 2018 #18

... treestar Apr 2018 #88

Oh, right. Bernie should be able to bash Obama and other Dems whenever he feels like it pnwmom Apr 2018 #8

Right, and Obama walks on water and no one should question that whathehell Apr 2018 #28

LOL, its more that Bernie walks on water and no one should R B Garr Apr 2018 #60

"wildly popular ex President" sheshe2 Apr 2018 #82

Hi sheshe! We were lucky to have him. R B Garr Apr 2018 #85

Agree with you there. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #197

...... R B Garr Apr 2018 #214

Um, no.. whathehell Apr 2018 #86

That chain of posts was about bashing. It wasn't about elections. R B Garr Apr 2018 #155

Please -- He did not "denigrate" Obama -- A lack of effusiveness whathehell Apr 2018 #222

Wow, how completely out of touch! Embarrassing. R B Garr Apr 2018 #243

What's "embarrassing" is your refusal to characterize my comments whathehell Apr 2018 #252

Awwww. R B Garr Apr 2018 #290

Well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #264

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #279

There were more than African Americans that were offended by Bernie's remarks. nt TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #275

Did someone say otherwise? whathehell Apr 2018 #278

My apologies. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #281

Apology accepted, and thanks.. whathehell Apr 2018 #282

I am offended LiberalBrooke Apr 2018 #289

Only a self-promoting politician would go to a commemoration marking the death pnwmom Apr 2018 #101

Gee. Who knew being called "brilliant" and a "great candidate" whathehell Apr 2018 #119

Calling him an extraordinary "candidate" without a word about his ACHIEVEMENTS pnwmom Apr 2018 #120

Calling someone "brilliant," is not faint praise in my opinion whathehell Apr 2018 #188

Why didn't he call him a great president? lunamagica Apr 2018 #128

Ummm... druidity33 Apr 2018 #140

Then why mention him at all? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #246

Maybe he thought he was more "good" than "great" whathehell Apr 2018 #187

Is that why he wanted Obama primaried? Because he thought he was a good president? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #195

No, I think it was when Obama offered to give away Social Security whathehell Apr 2018 #208

Obama offered to "give away" SS? mcar Apr 2018 #274

He offered to "trade away" Social Security for whathehell Apr 2018 #277

But you said "give away." betsuni Apr 2018 #280

When did that happen? betsuni Apr 2018 #276

Come on. LSFL Apr 2018 #189

'"Come on' nothing.. whathehell Apr 2018 #191

Putting words in people's mouths is a favorite pastime around here. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #198

It's important to call it out when you see it. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #202

Abso-fuckin-lutely!! And I do call it out most days... just tiring sometimes. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #204

Yes, and that's good. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #209

Well, you don't have to do that. betsuni Apr 2018 #205

Couldn't agree more. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #207

Bashing isn't questioning uponit7771 Apr 2018 #131

No, and criticizing isn't necessarily "bashing" either. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #183

Absolutely, Democrats should not bash Pres. Obama...and independents sure as hell Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #176

Questioning or criticizing is not "bashing" whathehell Apr 2018 #182

It is bashing. When you call the party a 'failure' and make a dog whistle remark about President Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #225

Sorry, I simply don't agree, and no number of assertios to the contrary whathehell Apr 2018 #228

Bernie is the Sacred Cow treestar Apr 2018 #90

Hardly, but Bernie is extremely popular & deserves at least a modicum of respect. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #97

President Obama deserves more respect from Bernie Sanders than to have been pnwmom Apr 2018 #102

IMO it is racially based to ASSUME Sanders gave more weight to Obama's part in the decline of votes LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #110

I'm not assuming anything about Bernie's motives. I'm reacting to what he SAID. pnwmom Apr 2018 #112

Bernie should be included in the blame too treestar Apr 2018 #116

That's a reach LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #117

He is having it both ways treestar Apr 2018 #121

He had higher approval ratings than both Hillary and Donald LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #126

He was unvetted - no one knew anything about him because he was ignored by MSM and opposition resear meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #229

Hillary was different because they had years, decades, of conditioning their flock against her LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #233

I still don't think he was talked about enough or in depth enough by anyone but that will be meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #235

You think they'd have to scramble? That they don't already have the dirt? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #238

Yes, I'm sure they did but where was the bite? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #244

You think the only thing that would hurt him was to be called a "Socialist?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #245

So....tell me what else? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #247

Wow. Ok EffieBlack Apr 2018 #248

'Unvetted"?...He was, and is, the US Senator from Vermont whathehell Apr 2018 #283

He was unvetted EffieBlack Apr 2018 #285

By what standard?. .Simply asserting something doesn't make it true. whathehell Apr 2018 #288

Yes it does meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #291

Huh?...Yes what does?..Are you claiming that simply saying whathehell Apr 2018 #293

You were saying, at least the way I understand it, is we are saying he's unvetted meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #294

Decades in the Senate, sounds establishment. betsuni Apr 2018 #287

If Bernie True Blue American Apr 2018 #172

Why cannot you and others just accept him as the exception to the rule? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #234

You answered your own question True Blue American Apr 2018 #237

If a politician is still a "radical" after 30 years, he's doing something wrong EffieBlack Apr 2018 #239

So is the Democratic party and its candidates treestar Apr 2018 #114

Nah.. whathehell Apr 2018 #216

People tend to see what they expect treestar Apr 2018 #219

The criticism of Obama was directed toward a couple of his policy whathehell Apr 2018 #220

Obama was accused of spinelessness, etc. treestar Apr 2018 #230

Again, I never heard the word "spineless", certainly not from whathehell Apr 2018 #254

He was CONSTANTLY smeared, even by progressives EffieBlack Apr 2018 #240

I must be getting my news from different sources, then, whathehell Apr 2018 #253

Yes, you must be. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #255

I guess so..I saw people on DU get frustrated, even angry with him but, but whathehell Apr 2018 #256

No, they weren't EffieBlack Apr 2018 #257

He was regularly called a Trojan Horse. betsuni Apr 2018 #258

Except Bernie didn't bash Obama... so bashing Bernie incessantly is completely unjustified. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #96

Yes he did. Obama was the leader of the Democrats for 8 of the 15 years pnwmom Apr 2018 #166

Democratic failure? Musta missed that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #167

Sanders' attacks on President Obama are a great reason to not support him Gothmog Apr 2018 #75

Okay, that was funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #98

We will see-Sanders has alienated a very large segment of the base Gothmog Apr 2018 #109

That is unforgivable! mcar Apr 2018 #148

The delegate who was my "whip" now works for the state party Gothmog Apr 2018 #151

Who boos John Lewis? ellie Apr 2018 #157

It happened a couple of times at the Democratic National Convention Gothmog Apr 2018 #163

Unforgivable. betsuni Apr 2018 #161

That was sickening. True Blue American Apr 2018 #173

For me: another. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #212

Where are Bernie's tax returns? yardwork Apr 2018 #103

Good question Gothmog Apr 2018 #164

What Bernie said was pretty messed up in context uponit7771 Apr 2018 #130

OK. Lil Missy Apr 2018 #170

That phrase has become much like the phrase, "Fake news!" yelled whenever Squinch Apr 2018 #284

You are being DIVISIVE is also a new version of Fake News EffieBlack Apr 2018 #286

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2018 #4

I think that tenth place, give or take, is a pretty accurate assessment... First Speaker Apr 2018 #9

Thanks to Obama, the country never fell as far as it did in the years before FDR, pnwmom Apr 2018 #10

No doubt! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #42

President Obama did a lot more than bringing Cha Apr 2018 #29

1,2,3 True Blue American Apr 2018 #113

KnR for Joy Reid Hekate Apr 2018 #13

For the record, some ex-Democrat didn't say Obama wasn't more than just a charasmatic leader. progressoid Apr 2018 #15

His words were very carefully chosen -- and very dismissive of the President's accomplishments. pnwmom Apr 2018 #17

"he was obviously an extraordinary candidate and a brilliant guy" progressoid Apr 2018 #20

Saying he was an extraordinary "candidate" was a backhanded insult. pnwmom Apr 2018 #23

And he didn't say it WAS Obama's fault. progressoid Apr 2018 #26

The way he juxtaposed his comments about the failure of the party and Obama as a "candidate" pnwmom Apr 2018 #32

Did you ever consider the possibility whathehell Apr 2018 #38

Doesn't "suggest" anything. It's clear as hell & shameful some here wilfully ignore plain english. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #43

I agree whathehell Apr 2018 #45

The 15 years included Obama's 8, and Obama was the leader of the party. pnwmom Apr 2018 #48

The party is more than the presidency whathehell Apr 2018 #49

He isn't racist. He views everything through a class/income prism pnwmom Apr 2018 #50

I'm glad you concede that, at least whathehell Apr 2018 #53

Neither you nor Bernie seem to understand the issue that many minority voters have pnwmom Apr 2018 #169

Neither you nor many minority voters here seem to understand whathehell Apr 2018 #184

Guess we'll find out. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #168

Maybe if this was a one off. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #64

Precisely! Thanks for pointing that out. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #41

No, he did not.. whathehell Apr 2018 #55

Is calling him a "brilliant guy" an insult, too? whathehell Apr 2018 #31

He's a brilliant guy. So what. Bernie was careful not to use any words that praised pnwmom Apr 2018 #36

So being called "brilliant" is chump change in your view? whathehell Apr 2018 #44

Obama was President just a year and a half ago. And Bernie was there to commemorate pnwmom Apr 2018 #46

Apparently so! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #193

Yep, it seems up is down and down is up here at times. whathehell Apr 2018 #199

IKR!! What.The.Hell whathehell?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #201

Saying he was an extraordinary candidate NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #93

Not only about what Bernie said but now kacekwl Apr 2018 #218

By saying he was an extraordinary candidate, but not saying how he was as a president NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #63

Obama served for eight, not fifteen years whathehell Apr 2018 #34

I've seen so many in the POC community Cha Apr 2018 #19

No, you are not alone Cha. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #79

Hey smirky! Cha Apr 2018 #141

For sure, Cha True Blue American Apr 2018 #115

Mahalo, True Blue American! Cha Apr 2018 #142

Cha True Blue American Apr 2018 #145

Never let the facts get in the way of a good Bernie bashing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #25

The reality is.. I listen to what the POC have Cha Apr 2018 #30

wow, yeah? All of them? I'm sure they all have the same thing to say about it. Or maybe you JCanete Apr 2018 #57

Lol! whathehell Apr 2018 #35

Don't see how that contributes to party unity... we need to come together against our common enemy! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #37

It doesnt, of course.. whathehell Apr 2018 #39

Shortsighted? Or something else? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #40

I don't know.. whathehell Apr 2018 #56

Yet it was Bernie attacking Democrats and Obama, so turn your question around. R B Garr Apr 2018 #73

Yeah, tell that to BS. He's the one who went down Jackson, Mississippi Cha Apr 2018 #52

I respect and agree with your last two points... that's fair. I would only point out InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #59

Did any of us go to an MLK event and then criticize the first Black president and the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #177

When did Bernie call the Democratic Party a failure? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #190

This is the part...there is a transcript. I just quoted from an article. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #223

Common Dems, gimme a quote from BERNIE, not from an article. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #242

It is Bernie's words...it is on the video you know. He did say it. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #251

Nope, sorry, Bernie did not say the Democratic Party has been a failure... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #259

He thinks the Democratic Party is a failure. betsuni Apr 2018 #261

This is bizarre. Do some people not know how quotes work? betsuni Apr 2018 #260

Apparently not. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #262

The words in quotation are the same as the spoken words on tape. betsuni Apr 2018 #265

Bernie: "The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has betsuni Apr 2018 #266

That's the money quote... which was followed by significant audience APPLAUSE IN AGREEMENT... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #267

So you admit the quote is real! betsuni Apr 2018 #268

Obviously, so why change the wording from "business model" to "Democratic Party" is a failure? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #269

"The business model ... of the Democratic Party ... has been a failure." betsuni Apr 2018 #271

But if you watch this snort Apr 2018 #92

Not really ...not at the moment. I watched the entire thing and got so angry I need to take a walk Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #178

I am happy to provide murielm99 Apr 2018 #16

I'm so glad you posted this from Joy Reid, Cha Apr 2018 #21

Instances like these make me wish we had a solid pick for 2020 ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #22

His followers would just howl about a coronation KitSileya Apr 2018 #33

Yes NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #65

Of course they have ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #95

K&R betsuni Apr 2018 #24

Odd... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #47

For the record, it took Joy Reid longer to jump on this than I would have expected. Yay Joy, JCanete Apr 2018 #54

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #61

There wasn't a "but" in his statement !?!? Yaw acK like folk caint hear !!!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2018 #133

Love Joy, but lost a little respect for her over this obvious fabrication. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #263

What did she "fabricate?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #270

The gaslights are on full blast in here. betsuni Apr 2018 #272

any way you look at it, its a clumsy politiical move drray23 Apr 2018 #62

no, not really, anyway I look at it is not anyway you look at it, and some people were guaranteed, JCanete Apr 2018 #91

? Skittles Apr 2018 #136

That is my impression of Joy Reid and her reception of Sanders onto the stage in the first place. JCanete Apr 2018 #137

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Skittles Apr 2018 #138

The same way you are looking at it with the Bernie-support frame treestar Apr 2018 #231

That is true, based upon my opinion of her. JCanete Apr 2018 #236

And thats the best possible spin which would be a pathetic display of political stevenleser Apr 2018 #217

Best president of my lifetime mcar Apr 2018 #66

Good thing it was also pointed out that he was extraordinary and brilliant. n/t TCJ70 Apr 2018 #68

The Pearl Clutching Is Getting Old ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #69

I agree. Bernie needs to stop clutching his pearls. nt pnwmom Apr 2018 #81

Whooosh! (nt) ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #108

I miss having a real POTUS Gothmog Apr 2018 #72

Thank you, pnwmom saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #78

K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #80

Joy works for Comcast, #31 on the Fortune 500. I'm sure Comcast loves the big tax break jalan48 Apr 2018 #83

Oh the old.. trying to kill the messenger Cha Apr 2018 #154

LOL CorPoratioNz! R B Garr Apr 2018 #162

... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #206

OMG #31 on the Fortune 500. This changes everything. betsuni Apr 2018 #213

Thank you to Joy Reid. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #84

Yeah for Joy Reid Gothmog Apr 2018 #87

I feel like this OP has been taken over by negatives and allegations and repeats erronis Apr 2018 #94

The piling on does seem a bit over the top. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #99

Hang in there bud.... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #139

Good advice... thanks Henry! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #143

The whole package The Mouth Apr 2018 #100

I never found Obama charismatic. ananda Apr 2018 #106

Agreed. MariaCSR Apr 2018 #107

And to me that calmness, thoughtfulness is what i found appealing JI7 Apr 2018 #127

Thank you !!! I find him an inspiring and measured more than anything uponit7771 Apr 2018 #132

You've got a point treestar Apr 2018 #232

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #111

Joy is so smart, which is why we almost always agree. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #118

K & R & bookmarked! SunSeeker Apr 2018 #124

Of COURSE he is! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #125

K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #129

That momentary Democrat Progressive dog Apr 2018 #144

Joy Reid was a momentary Democrat? David__77 Apr 2018 #159

The momentary Democrat Progressive dog Apr 2018 #292

Neoliberal Billsmile Apr 2018 #146

Applies to whom? mcar Apr 2018 #149

Nope, it doesn't apply. Neoliberalism is a belief in a particular kind of economics. stevenleser Apr 2018 #150

+1. /t pnwmom Apr 2018 #165

And by this century's standards, very conservative. Hortensis Apr 2018 #227

You have no idea what you're Cha Apr 2018 #153

Clearly. Not an iota. Nary a whit. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #203

the world is full of them.. Cha Apr 2018 #249

Some may be triggered by that word. David__77 Apr 2018 #158

If triggered means knowing the meaning and that its use was incorrect stevenleser Apr 2018 #215

Jimmy Carter is a decent man but was not a good president and lost to Reagan. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #180

LOL NEOLIBERAL. betsuni Apr 2018 #211

I think many here shared in joy when he was elected in 2008. David__77 Apr 2018 #160

Don't use President Obama to refight the 2016 primary. yardwork Apr 2018 #181

Details, details!! Okay, back to bashin the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #192

... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #200

#2 hopeful stevenleser Apr 2018 #295

For the record, most of us know that. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #185

AMJOY will be on soon Gothmog Apr 2018 #210

Joy used to say similar stuff about Hillary when she was running against Obama Quixote1818 Apr 2018 #241

Who's running against Obama now? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #250

Joy has a great show today Gothmog Apr 2018 #273