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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
24. Wrong wrong wrong.
Fri Mar 16, 2018, 10:09 AM
Mar 2018

The most charitable view of your statement is that it suffers from binary thinking tunnel vision.

It is a narrow-minded fallacy to think that capitalism can only be parasitical. Robber baron capitalism is parasitical. The tremendous wealth & income inequality we have in the US and some other countries now (getting worse) is parasitical and unsustainable. The US system is not the only system of capitalism in the world.

Capitalism is very efficient at creating jobs and employing people and advancing many aspects of society. Capitalism is very efficient at distributing goods and resources to where they are needed. Command economies fail. Communism fails since "from each according to ability and to each according to need" fails to provide adequate incentives for advancement.

DU is capitalist (private and owned) and employs several people. It is good.

The problem with capitalism-on-steroids is that it over-rewards the top 1% and 0.01%, people who don't need extra incentive, at the expense of the bottom 47% who are people who need support and incentives. Therefore capitalism must be well-regulated, well-monitored, subject to progressive social goals, and operating under progressive tax regimes. Byzantine tax systems need to be truly simplified by turning amorphous invisible tax breaks into publicly visible subsidies.

On the side of socialism, more and more studies are showing that if you provide people with guaranteed housing, guaranteed basic income, and guaranteed health care, then the outcome actually saves money and makes the society much more productive and harmonious. People with an address (not homeless) are much more likely to find work. People use less emergency services. There is a reduction in the cost of policy and a reduction in crime (poor/homeless people are also likely to be victims of crime). People have better health and that means there is less drag on the economy for health care and they are more productive and more able to help each other (the elderly and disabled for example). Note: guaranteed basic income subsumes social security and welfare.

Pure systems of any kind are bad, be it capitalism (robber baron capitalism), socialism (communism when purest), fascism (corporate-statist-bureaucratic elitism), dictatorship (of despots or proletariat or peasants or monarchs or whatever) or anarchism (dog eat dog).

A hybrid of capitalism and socialism is the only way to go. At least until humanity is so highly developed that something approaching nearly pure enlightened self-interest is feasible (community and socially and globally connected).

When all is said, Stephen Hawking's point about the distribution of benefits is very much correct.

We know how that would go njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #1
Don't you mean... Plucketeer Mar 2018 #6
Pretty much...... SergeStorms Mar 2018 #37
Thank you Lucinda Mar 2018 #2
One day, machines will consume capitalism. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #3
This was the premise of Frederik Pohl's classic "The Midas Plague" - 1954 !! Pluvious Mar 2018 #39
Interesting find. Thanks. oasis Mar 2018 #43
Thanks! RKP5637 Mar 2018 #46
Thanks for posting and the link. Laffy Kat Mar 2018 #4
Thank you for spreading this. Humanity is at risk. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #25
Blue wave pill Roland99 Mar 2018 #5
Its a good message by a reputable thinker. He would want his words poboy2 Mar 2018 #45
That's scary. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #7
Technological singularity poboy2 Mar 2018 #8
While I agree. Blue_true Mar 2018 #30
Doctor Evil.... Koch and Mercer Families gain full control. magicarpet Mar 2018 #41
Actually. Blue_true Mar 2018 #51
You're right. Dave Starsky Mar 2018 #49
I just read this twice SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #9
My answer to your question... llmart Mar 2018 #19
What a depressing answer SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #22
And I'll ask you another question... llmart Mar 2018 #23
Can you change your screen name SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #58
I think that a lot of the moron's voters BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #10
His moronic cult... llmart Mar 2018 #21
The extremely wealthy have already figured it out FakeNoose Mar 2018 #29
Why are we here? poboy2 Mar 2018 #31
When the mind is afraid, there always has been the tendency to value seemingly simpler times. Blue_true Mar 2018 #32
That is, unfortunately, the core of the conservative mindset. Caliman73 Mar 2018 #38
Can't sell product the machine makes to people with no money to buy them. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #11
Thats where credit comes in quakerboy Mar 2018 #16
Loaning against souls I guess. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #44
Control quakerboy Mar 2018 #59
K&R Puzzler Mar 2018 #12
K&R burrowowl Mar 2018 #13
Wow. nt zentrum Mar 2018 #14
Agreed. Capitalism sucks. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #15
Wrong wrong wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #24
Ah, Bernardo, thank you for a thoughtful response. You and I are closer in opinion, PatrickforO Mar 2018 #34
both good points - but consider Locrian Mar 2018 #35
I like your use of words - corporatism. Yes I can certainly accept that. PatrickforO Mar 2018 #36
hey - thanks for that book link! Locrian Mar 2018 #42
Thank you so much for your posts! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #54
Similarly, thank you for the time & thought in your response. Yes we have much common ground. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #53
Glad this is so popular. The recs exploded, wow. poboy2 Mar 2018 #17
Then the machines will kill the rich people masters LOL titaniumsalute Mar 2018 #18
Thanks, Professor. IluvPitties Mar 2018 #20
Yeah. I've been saying this for years. malthaussen Mar 2018 #26
Riders of the Purple Wage From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia poboy2 Mar 2018 #33
🕯 underpants Mar 2018 #27
Brilliant scientist and social critic. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2018 #28
This Reddit was from 2 years ago SpankMe Mar 2018 #40
I don't fully agree with him. People get satisfaction out of doing work. LisaM Mar 2018 #47
No one is questioning the alleged character building or 'joy' of work. poboy2 Mar 2018 #48
Of course I don't think that, and I tried to choose my words carefully. LisaM Mar 2018 #50
Work is good 2left4u Mar 2018 #52
okay, not the subject of the OP in the least, but carry on. poboy2 Mar 2018 #55
LOL 2left4u Mar 2018 #56
Maybe that's WHY they were his FINAL words rocktivity Mar 2018 #57
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