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In reply to the discussion: It is entirely possible votes were tampered with!" [View all]RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)25. Here's why we lost --
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
DO NOT underestimate the overarching reach AND impact of the Russian bots. They were everywhere, they were fierce, clever, extremely sophisticated and very, very effective.
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit
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Those boxes that were found to be tampered with after Stein started a re-count
Maraya1969
Mar 2018
#68
Where does that link lead? It displays as an abbreviated link for me without a discernible domain.
LonePirate
Mar 2018
#3
If you actually understood exit polls are conducted differently here, you'd understand
mythology
Mar 2018
#48
They did it just to prove they could, and then stopped with that! No tampering or altering
Amaryllis
Mar 2018
#80
Ruskies didn't have to change votes. There were plenty of white wing racists and Democratic
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#16
we will never know bacause the powers that be won't let WE THE PEOPLE
questionseverything
Mar 2018
#62
ive always thought tally's were reversed...many of the numbers were backwards than predicted..
samnsara
Mar 2018
#33
The voting machines and the tabulators have electronic "back doors" programed and hard wired...
Botany
Mar 2018
#35
Elections need to be transparent. There should never be a situation where you cannot
diva77
Mar 2018
#44
I'm not an IT guy, but I do know several at my job, and they all say hacking voting machines and
Still In Wisconsin
Mar 2018
#39
Or, you could live in Wisconsin, where the Waukesha County Clerk "finds" 1300 votes on her laptop
Still In Wisconsin
Mar 2018
#47
Computerized voting machines, optiscans, central tabulators etc have never met burden of proof
diva77
Mar 2018
#42
Headline is distorting. And Haseltine was NOT Associate Director of National Intelligence
sharedvalues
Mar 2018
#43
The irony of people defending the vote, the machines and by default republicans
onecaliberal
Mar 2018
#51
Blaming it on "stolen" votes is a sure way to lose next time when the white wingers and Democratic
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#57
No question about Gerrymandering, swiftboating, etc. But we still overcome that when we get out the
Hoyt
Mar 2018
#66
Been sayin' this all along. Check exit polls (MO, WI, NC, PA.MI, FL and more).
joanbarnes
Mar 2018
#69
NO KIDDIN"? You DON'T say... I KNEW that SOMETHING had happened on Election night
The_REAL_Ecumenist
Mar 2018
#71
Repeating the lead thread, it is entirely possible that they tampered with the final count.
leanforward
Mar 2018
#83