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brooklynite

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19. Yes, but that's not "hacking votes" as plenty of folks here bluntly assert...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:00 PM
Feb 2018

First, the number of instances of actual penetration of the databases is relatively small.

Second, there were no reports of surprisingly large numbers of missing voter registrations in those states, outside of the purges being carried out by Red State election officials.

Third, if it happened, voters could still vote a provisional ballot, and there would be backup records to support them.

It's far more likely they were looking for voter names to target their social media messaging.

But of course, that's not nearly as juicy a conspiracy theory.

Right on! PJMcK Feb 2018 #1
Since the FBI investigation uncovering the Russian 13 did not start until early 2016 and was not Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #28
President Obama, PJMck Cha Mar 2018 #126
There has been NO ACCUSATION of Russia hacking voting machines.... brooklynite Feb 2018 #2
Yes, that was my understanding PatSeg Feb 2018 #52
Correct - which is why I jump in with a clarification every time this gets rehashed. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #66
The are multiple KGB or FSB operations going on at once, many have been planned for decades Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #78
Eliot, of course saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #107
I understand your frustration ... but Voting Registration systems are 'connected' mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #128
there has been NO INVESTIGATION of this either, so it's not surprising nobody found anything. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #98
Didn't need to actually change votes.... ollie10 Feb 2018 #3
Theyre going to do it again in 2018 with a vengeance. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #5
Yes. I am afraid you are right.... ollie10 Feb 2018 #15
Beg to differ. luvtheGWN Feb 2018 #51
I wonder if they could have added registrations, and then somehow "voted" with those Tess49 Feb 2018 #44
They did get into voter lists True Blue American Feb 2018 #55
+1, like what happened in Florida in 2000 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #70
If you mischaracterize things it's easy to make absurd claims. mythology Feb 2018 #4
I have been hammered on this point, but fully agree with you! chuckstevens Feb 2018 #6
Exactly. The assertion that they hacked in the machines to do nothing is delusional. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #7
They didn't "hacked in the machines to do nothing"...THEY DIDN'T HACK THE MACHINES! brooklynite Feb 2018 #9
you don't know that. don't act like you do. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #99
we don't know because no one ever checked questionseverything Feb 2018 #108
you don't know that. stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #110
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be discounted without evidence" brooklynite Feb 2018 #114
i'm not saying they DID hack the machines, only that it is very likely, given what we know about TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #116
Computerized voting/tabulation is non-transparent. Our votes cannot be guaranteed to be diva77 Mar 2018 #124
Speaking of believing any ridiculous thing you're told... FBaggins Feb 2018 #17
Can you prove otherwise? think4yourself Mar 2018 #125
Never heard of the burden of proof fallacy, eh? nt FBaggins Mar 2018 #130
I think they may have accessed central tabulators as well. triron Feb 2018 #41
I think so, too meow2u3 Feb 2018 #50
Wisconsin has same day registration forthemiddle Feb 2018 #54
Unless of course, they vote later in the day because they work. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #82
Even if you vote later in the day you can still register the day you vote dflprincess Mar 2018 #122
The robber cracked the ATM but didnt kairos12 Feb 2018 #62
+1, cause they just want a big list of American names ? / sarcasm uponit7771 Feb 2018 #71
I don't believe they hacked voting machines. Someone locally might have, although I think vote Hoyt Feb 2018 #8
They DID hack 8 states. Im watching the reporting on it right now. My state was one of them. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #10
They "hacked" registration systems poking around, but I've not seen any evidence they changed votes. Hoyt Feb 2018 #11
Yeah they hacked for shits and giggles. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #12
You can't change votes in the voter database... brooklynite Feb 2018 #13
But you could delete people's names from the lists? ollie10 Feb 2018 #16
And then assasinate them all before they reported it? FBaggins Feb 2018 #18
You mean like they did in 2000!?!? Please with this bullshit line of thinking uponit7771 Feb 2018 #73
Was that supposed to make sense? FBaggins Feb 2018 #84
Plenty, in 2000 Florida voters were purged and we didn't know till after the election uponit7771 Feb 2018 #87
"Didn't know until after the election"?? FBaggins Feb 2018 #90
"news organizations" haven't dug into those states like they did in Florida. Again uponit7771 Feb 2018 #91
Sorry. Your memory is faulty FBaggins Feb 2018 #95
I didn't know about the FL purge until nearly a year after the 2k election when it was confirmed uponit7771 Feb 2018 #97
Yes, but that's not "hacking votes" as plenty of folks here bluntly assert... brooklynite Feb 2018 #19
That's what I think. Blaming our loss on vote changing just sets us up to lose again. We do need Hoyt Feb 2018 #22
So you are content to figure that when the Russians got into the registration files..... ollie10 Feb 2018 #25
No, I'm content to try to address what ACTUALLY happened and not engage in fantasies... brooklynite Feb 2018 #30
What actually happened is that the Russians got into the registration files of several states ollie10 Feb 2018 #45
I absolutely agree... brooklynite Feb 2018 #56
Didn't say anything about votes changing ollie10 Feb 2018 #58
+1, the "they didn't do anything that affected the election" line of thinkign is assinine uponit7771 Feb 2018 #74
And, then, you would have had people turned away from polls. Where I live, the only people turned Hoyt Feb 2018 #21
But you can delete voter info, or make it so some Dems can only vote with povisional ballots when... brush Feb 2018 #48
Here are the percentages cilla4progress Feb 2018 #67
My point was trump got just enough votes to swing those states. Seems pretty well calculated... brush Feb 2018 #68
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #112
They affected the vote counts where they changed some registration information. pnwmom Feb 2018 #29
"no votes were changed and no voters were taken off the rolls." FBaggins Feb 2018 #34
That doesn't say that REGISTRATIONS weren't altered. pnwmom Feb 2018 #35
It says that they werent altered in a way that kept anyone from voting FBaggins Feb 2018 #43
It says in "at least" once case, leaving the possibility open that there were other cases pnwmom Feb 2018 #47
Which still leaves your imagined scenario... entirely unsupported FBaggins Feb 2018 #86
+1, NO ONE hacks for shits and giggles !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #72
I believe you're correct. JohnnyRingo Feb 2018 #53
It's quite likely that Russia's long term goals are more widespread procon Feb 2018 #14
My tinfoil hat conspiracy theory: cilla4progress Feb 2018 #20
I'm wearing the same tin foil hat Clarity2 Feb 2018 #26
Youd have to wear a tin foil hat think4yourself Feb 2018 #36
Exactly! triron Feb 2018 #40
Now THERE'S a Conspiracy Theory worthy of a tinfoil hat... brooklynite Feb 2018 #57
Sorry, my point didn't come across clearly: cilla4progress Feb 2018 #103
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #75
can't disagree. politicians are "team players," if they're anything. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #100
What we have now is a "stable democracy?" What we have is rzemanfl Feb 2018 #105
ain't it great? haha. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #111
Yep cilla4progress Feb 2018 #115
absolutely librechik Feb 2018 #23
Maybe because they could fool us better by "merely" changing the registrations of some. pnwmom Feb 2018 #31
yep our system is full of holes librechik Feb 2018 #96
I completely agree. Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #24
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #27
Recall right after the election, Trump sent his minions to key states to thwart any effort Chakaconcarne Feb 2018 #32
"If you believe Russia hacked our voting machines but didn't change votes .... LenaBaby61 Feb 2018 #33
Who says voting machines were hacked? n/t Orsino Feb 2018 #37
I have been right where u are since just after TheDebbieDee Feb 2018 #38
They didn't need to hack voting machines - just the voter databases ehrnst Feb 2018 #39
Of course they changed votes...Trump was not elected. He is illegitimate. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #42
Proof? brooklynite Feb 2018 #59
Look at the numbers out of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin...I don't know there will ever be Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #65
Right, white working class voters in the rust belt NEVER vote Republican... brooklynite Feb 2018 #79
The number were suspect...you know statistics pretty well... take a look. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #104
imo, many timid democrats in Congress saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #46
All those places across the country where the vote did not match the exit polls is a real clue. Botany Feb 2018 #49
Tell me, why do we bother to vote? let's just go with the exit poll. brooklynite Feb 2018 #61
Whatever Botany Feb 2018 #63
hate to break it to you, but exit polls USED to be accurate; something changed in 2000. go figure. TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #101
Of COURSE that's what happened. And NOW...the fed has a list of reg. voters to give them... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #60
There are several layers to the "voting process" which could have been hacked Lithos Feb 2018 #64
Thanks this is helpful FakeNoose Feb 2018 #69
Ever since HAVA ... Help America Vote Act* .... we have seen a red state shift in the vote even ... Botany Feb 2018 #80
2016 was the worst I believe. triron Feb 2018 #81
Yes and that tells us a lot FakeNoose Feb 2018 #83
KY's 2015 Governor's race was really egregious Botany Feb 2018 #85
Didn't the same thing happen when Mitch McConnell won in 2014? FakeNoose Feb 2018 #92
I don't know about McConnell's win but Scott Walker's "win" in the recall race smelled really bad. Botany Feb 2018 #93
I agree, it doesn't make sense Russian hackers didn't do the one most effective thing - change votes 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #76
+1, or even more effective is to purge voters like was done in Florida 2000. GOP is greasy uponit7771 Feb 2018 #88
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #77
So after all that's come out in regards to what Russia did with DNC emails and social uponit7771 Feb 2018 #89
This is why they have to fight the notion that the election was stolen...because they can't blame Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #106
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #109
I oftem wonder if they hacked MY vote! Bonx Feb 2018 #94
I don't recall any hacking of voting machines, only voter rolls (registration). AJT Feb 2018 #102
do you recall any forensic examination of machines, hard/software, or comprehensive, state-wide hand TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #113
this is what i say too! bluestarone Feb 2018 #117
Fishy stuff happened election day jimlup Feb 2018 #118
yep. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2018 #119
I dont believe it either. Who the hell thinks Russia or trump are trustworthy. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #120
Perhaps also Arizona. triron Feb 2018 #121
Those razor thin margins are awfully convenient, aren't they? mvd Mar 2018 #123
Honestly "luck" doesn't run the table like that /nt jimlup Mar 2018 #129
I Have Started Threads Saying Exactly This SoCalMusicLover Mar 2018 #127
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