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47. Exactly, or we just go back to Tammany Hall politics. nt

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Those taking a strict "no Dem must be primaried" position may have a point... [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2018 OP

your post brought to mind the announcement that Chelsey Manning was going to run in Maryland hlthe2b Jan 2018 #1

Some Info Me. Jan 2018 #5

hmmm... I guess she is quite compliant for others to manipulate. hlthe2b Jan 2018 #9

Or Maybe We Need To Ask What She's Up To Me. Jan 2018 #10

perhaps... n/t hlthe2b Jan 2018 #11

Glenn Greenwald, the libertarian/Wikileaks/Intercept guy, is a big supporter. pnwmom Jan 2018 #161

How about we take back Congress and some Governor's Mansions first? mcar Jan 2018 #2

Is there any reason to assume we can ONLY take back Congress and make other gains... Ken Burch Jan 2018 #4

No One Is Shutting Down Debate Me. Jan 2018 #8

Not sure what you're defining as "constant criticism". Ken Burch Jan 2018 #12

If Anyone Thinks The Purity Police Have Disappeared Me. Jan 2018 #15

Actually, Kamala's seen much more favorably by progressives now. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #19

I Refer You To The Link Provided Me. Jan 2018 #24

The platform thing would ONLY be if she actually ran. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #33

As to Harris, you're talking there about the response people had to her from months back. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #37

The Date Of That Piece Me. Jan 2018 #48

Yes, with Senator Booker it was about being too centrist. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #53

Oh Do TRy Not To Be Disingenuous Me. Jan 2018 #55

It sounded like you sort of tied me into people freaking out over the idea of Oprah running. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #58

If You Are Not Part Of The PP Me. Jan 2018 #67

I don't think I am. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #72

Nonsense Me. Jan 2018 #76

Again with the strawmen. ehrnst Jan 2018 #131

You do realize that the left has attacked every candidate you mentioned...none are good enough. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #64

They have criticized them...they haven't "attacked" them. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #68

Oh no they were attacked viciously... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #74

Kamala has now won a lot of progressives over by embracing single payer. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #77

I don't care who the candidates are. And I will vote for whoever emerges as the nominee. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #79

I'll support the nominee, too. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #83

Calling a Democrat a corporatist, "Turd Way" er mcar Jan 2018 #93

I never used the term "Turd Way". Ken Burch Jan 2018 #156

I think most of the push back over Oprah was because of inexperience, not "political purity". annabanana Jan 2018 #28

Yeah...it wasn't "she's not progressive enough". Ken Burch Jan 2018 #39

Oh No Me. Jan 2018 #43

What would you say about the argument made somebody at the link Ken Burch Jan 2018 #63

By saying no. We are not Republicans. We want a serious candidate...a qualified candidate. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #103

Nobody overreacted to a speech and it has nothing to do with "purity" Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #80

But Why Should She Be Questioned About Anything Me. Jan 2018 #82

Critical thinking is good for a democracy Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #84

She Is Nothing Like The Current Resident Me. Jan 2018 #85

I'm with you, Ken. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #56

You just changed the parameters of your OP mcar Jan 2018 #21

yeah annabanana Jan 2018 #35

Uh, no, both were in there. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #40

Yes there is every reason to believe the endless debate and bickering has cost us and will cost Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #62

"Holding them accountable" is not the same thing as "encouraging debate." pnwmom Jan 2018 #160

And Very Clearly Said Me. Jan 2018 #7

Thanks Me. mcar Jan 2018 #23

Yes, I understand the intent, but we lose our democracy when elected officials Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3

Which Democrats do you feel are not being held accountable? And... NurseJackie Jan 2018 #31

I didn't say any of these things Nurse Jackie. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #44

You didn't have to... your meaning was clear. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #57

Here is what you said: ehrnst Jan 2018 #117

Amazing indeed, that you apparently believe this. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #126

LOL! NurseJackie Jan 2018 #128

I'm not familiar with any Democrats like you describe. ehrnst Jan 2018 #38

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jan 2018 #54

No one said do away with them...that is not the point...primarying sitting Dems this year is stupid. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #87

This right here mcar Jan 2018 #95

That is my point...these people fail to understand that the point of an election is to win... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #140

I was thinking about what you said...and by God. The Democratic Party has been saved from corruption Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #102

That's doesn't answer my question. Here it is again: ehrnst Jan 2018 #115

Who is talking about doing away with Primaries? ehrnst Jan 2018 #118

We have almost lost our democracy by electing the GOP ...the money issue stems from United which Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #66

People Below? Me. Jan 2018 #6

Women under 30, people of color under 30, the poor of all races and ages, rank-and-file labor, Ken Burch Jan 2018 #13

Why Are They Considered Below Me. Jan 2018 #14

It's in reference to the power structure. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #16

Yet It Presents Them As UNder Me. Jan 2018 #18

It's tied to the idea that change comes from below...from the people. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #26

Perhaps Your're Not Acquainted With Terms Like 'Below Stairs' Me. Jan 2018 #45

I know of "below stairs"-I'll rethink the phraseology. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #49

That Is What I'm Saying Me. Jan 2018 #51

There has to be some way of describing those working for change Ken Burch Jan 2018 #60

There is a word...if you are working against Democrats...the word is Republican. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #88

NO Dem voted for the Republican tax heist. This means something Hortensis Jan 2018 #17

And I salute Dems in the House and Senate for that. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #27

There's NO SUCH THING as a "one-size-fits-all" Democrat... NurseJackie Jan 2018 #20

Completely bogus "smears". Thank Cha Jan 2018 #25

And this is why a real 50-state plan includes a range of Democrats mcar Jan 2018 #34

Thank you Nurse Jackie. It's just a continuation of the usual divide & conquer tactics. I wish.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2018 #81

+1 betsuni Jan 2018 #91

Thank you, Nurse Jackie Hekate Jan 2018 #113

Absolutely - we are the party of aligned, but different coalitions. That is our strength. ehrnst Jan 2018 #116

I've got no problem with primary challenges. dawg Jan 2018 #22

Agreed. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #29

LOL! So THAT's what this is all about, eh? NurseJackie Jan 2018 #32

Yep. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #36

I am against all primaries of sitting Dems...just want to get that out there...it is a stupid waste Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #69

Primaries are part of our system left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #30

I'm not anti-primary. That wasn't my point at all. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #41

No thanks left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #42

There is no debate when people are installed or guaranteed a job. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #50

Exactly, or we just go back to Tammany Hall politics. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #47

I suppose you would rather the GOP decides for us because that is what is happening and will Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #70

We don't elect politicians for life. left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #94

Yeah...so much better to lose the courts for a generation...primaries of Senator and House Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #104

Whatever left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #107

No primaries????? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #52

LOL! No it's not! NurseJackie Jan 2018 #59

you do understand we are talking about an unknown person spending big money to try to Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #71

That is a horrible idea. We need a free party. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #97

In a perfect world that might be true...but a costly divisive primary as we may remember can Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #105

We have talked about this before. Don't hold your party 'accountable' this sort of thing has caused Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #61

The way to win is to fire up the base. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #75

No in red states...we need moderate candidates to take back the House and the Senate... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #78

The Base of the Democratic Party is women mcar Jan 2018 #96

Fired up and ready to go. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #106

You seem to have a big misunderstanding of what "the base" actually means. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #98

You can fire up the base all you want in a red state and will still lose...you have to tailer the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #132

True! There is no point in holding them accountable treestar Jan 2018 #130

Im always for a robust primary. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #65

I am against primarying sitting Dems at the house or Senate level. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #73

Again accusing Democrats of not standing with the working class/poor. betsuni Jan 2018 #86

It is insulting and such talk is why we lose...and drive the voters we need away. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #89

Yes. betsuni Jan 2018 #90

What should we do instead? Pretend none of that is true? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #136

It isn't true that Democrats don't stand with the working class...and that is not why we lost. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #137

There's a distinction between rank-and-file Dems like you or I on that, Ken Burch Jan 2018 #143

Names...what leader had done this. I don't know any. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #144

No party ever made a comeback from a disappointing showing by saying "stay the course". Ken Burch Jan 2018 #150

Sure they have... if the 16 election had little to do with issues you have discussed Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #151

I acknowledge that Dems have done well in those areas. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #166

What is it with you on this? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #92

Actually she pointed out that your "criticisms" were repetitive, old, unoriginal and without merit. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #100

JHC.. Mahalo for deconstructing Cha Jan 2018 #111

It's not personal, it's business. betsuni Jan 2018 #121

Thanks for at least that explanation. But the ideas you list that way AREN'T "anti-Democratic" Ken Burch Jan 2018 #125

Don't talk to me as if I don't know what you're doing. betsuni Jan 2018 #133

ALL I'm doing is speaking as a loyal Dem. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #134

LOYAL DEM! "Why is that so hard to accept?" betsuni Jan 2018 #147

I like Spike Jones, too, but that isn't a response. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #148

No, it was the constant undermining of Democrats that saw 70,000-something people R B Garr Jan 2018 #154

And if I was undermining Democrats, rather than trying to elect more of them, I'd deserve that. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #155

Quote: exhausted form of politics. Those kinds of empty accusations R B Garr Jan 2018 #157

I was trying to HELP us retain power, ok? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #158

This isnt how it was done, though. None of what you are describing R B Garr Jan 2018 #163

I despise Trump as much as you do. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #164

"There's no case for maintaining the Democratic status quo when it was that status quo that ... betsuni Jan 2018 #162

Yes, I said that before. So what? It's true. Ken Burch Jan 2018 #165

"And these posts of yours are getting pretty damn close to stalking." betsuni Jan 2018 #167

I don't want YOUR "attention". I just want you to stop following me around and heckling me Ken Burch Jan 2018 #168

"Why look a gift horse in the mouth?" OMG! :-D NurseJackie Jan 2018 #169

You speak the truth... and I see you've also struck a nerve. NurseJackie Jan 2018 #99

Thanks, Jackie! betsuni Jan 2018 #110

Exactly. Pretty much a running theme in these OPs. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #120

Those are valid points, not "ideas". Ken Burch Jan 2018 #135

I have no issues with primaries but I have issues with PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #101

The point of elections is to obtain power, not to send "accountability" messages struggle4progress Jan 2018 #108

You nailed it!!!!! Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #138

I think an easy solution is for people to vote for the candidate in the primary who they support. David__77 Jan 2018 #109

We are defending many more seats in the Senate than the GOP...thus it is a money issue... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #139

I don't think they have a point at all. I think its terribly undemocratic, and the rationale is JCanete Jan 2018 #112

Primaries cost money. We need money to overcome a gerrymander and we have what three times as many Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #141

All politics are local. herding cats Jan 2018 #114

We are of the same mind. If we don't live in a state, we need to mind our own business. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #146

Guess I haven't been following this particular topic. I don't understand the objection to anyone Vinca Jan 2018 #119

Ugh, what a completely false and dishonest spin. R B Garr Jan 2018 #122

The to adjectives you picked were perfect! The interjection you used... NurseJackie Jan 2018 #123

Exactly! Ive been wondering the same thing R B Garr Jan 2018 #127

Who are the "those" you're talking about, Ken? MineralMan Jan 2018 #124

You are going to have to run yourself if you expect to have a say in it treestar Jan 2018 #129

Wait we will see Russian and/or GOP funded challengers...already Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #145

+1 treestar Jan 2018 #149

Thank you. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #152

the point being that Russia can fund lots of Dem challengers McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #142

I agree and write down the name of the candidate so you remember who in the age Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #153

Let's talk about holding Democrats "accountable" once they're actually in POWER. pnwmom Jan 2018 #159