December 20, 2015

That's a really interesting question

Josh Uretsky tried to get proof this time when previous efforts of just reporting the problem to the DNC didn't seem to get the Sanders campaign anywhere towards permanently solving the security problem. They fired him for it and everyone is pointing the fickle finger of fate at "evil" Josh (who did precisely what I would have done in the same circumstances - get evidence).

December 20, 2015

Prove it to who?

A DNC who is a wing of the Clinton campaign? Why waste their time?

December 20, 2015

The damage is done

Before this, I fully and sincerely intended to fight my heart out for her because of all the work we had done for Obama. Now, I do not see much difference between her organization and the GOP. Truly. Both are deeply dishonest and unethical which has always been a big hang up with me and politicians.

Over the last few days, they've stooped to smearing an honest man with an activity it appears they did themselves last October .. and the DNC that the Clinton campaign obviously owns was clearly onside and complicit with this. The whole thing is corrupt and I simply cannot bring myself to support that. After 53 years of supporting Democratic causes all this has done is to convince me I've largely been wasting my time supporting this party. It tough enough for someone in Bernie's position to compete. But this: your party's National Committee is the pocket of one of the candidates? That's too much. Can't handle it. Hardly anyone of note is saying anything about it.

The damage is indeed done. I will not support Hillary Clinton. No chance. Too many lies. Too much deceit. Enough.

December 20, 2015

For sure

if he makes a seven figure donation to the Clinton Foundation and maxes his campaign donations to her - he's got as good a shot as anyone.

DWS is going to be Secretary of State!!

This Democratic contest wasn't really a primary. It was a sale. The Clintons bought and paid for the nomination - they already own the DNC - that much is clear. And now, other things can be for sale .... this is our political system - it's how it works!

December 20, 2015

Sanders campaign feels this happened to them in October

The Sanders campaign didn't name which campaign compromised their data in that PC but Bernie referenced the Clinton campaign in that incident last night.

So we already have a pretty good idea of how it would play out.

Sanders wouldn't leak it to the media. DNC would do nothing about it - no audit - nothing - obviously didn't fix the deeper problem after what happened recently.

End of having to imagine what would happen. It appears to have already happened last October (and if I recall accurately, before according to Josh) . Did you see DWS call a hasty PC to deal with her outrage that this could happen to Bernie's campaign? Crickets. They don't give a shit about the breach of Bernie's data. The DNC's only mission is to see Hillary wins the primary.

There's nothing more to say. Actions speak louder than words. The DNC's lack of actions on behalf of the Sanders campaign last October have clearly spoken.

December 20, 2015

Here's a blatant 6th:

Sanders data breached/"compromised" in October, no media, no auditor, no cutting off anyone's data access, no obvious action other than the security somewhat fixed.

Campaign data breached in December, leaked to media to blame Sanders, threat of auditor, Sanders cut off access to data, security problem apparently fixed

Double standard

They keep this up and they'll lose me. I've been supporting Democratic/Liberal causes for 53 years. I won't put up with this BS much longer. They may have gone too far already - I'm trying to calm down.
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December 20, 2015

Thanks

I do not care to get into a debate about online polls

For those interested:


Time Sanders 84% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
http://time.com/4154954/democratic-debate-third-poll/

Drudge Sanders 61% Clinton 8% O'Malley 32%
http://drudgereport.com/nownh.htm

FOX San Diego Sanders 92% Clinton 7% O'Malley 2%
http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/12/19/poll-who-won-the-3rd-democratic-debate/

PostOnPolitics Sanders 91% Clinton 7% O'Malley 3%
http://postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/12/19/poll-who-won-the-third-democratic-debate/

Telegraph Sanders 81% Clinton 8% O'Malley 10%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/12060328/Who-won-the-Democratic-debate-Read-our-verdicts-and-then-cast-your-vote.html

Washington Times Sanders 87% Clinton 7% O'Malley 1%
http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2015/dec/19/who-won-3rd-democratic-debate/

Wall Street Journal Sanders 49% Clinton 30% O'Malley 22%
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/12/19/democratic-presidential-debate-live-blog/#entry_146

Slate Sanders 81% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/democratic_presidential_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

Caesar Daily Sanders 96% Clinton 3% O'Malley 1%
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/democratic_presidential_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html


Here's what last debates online polls looked like:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251810199#post43

Bernie owns the internet. Don't know about the rest of the world.

EDIT: poll numbers updated 11:29am 12/20/2015

December 20, 2015

I think the GOP will rip her to pieces

December 20, 2015

Thanks, I generally agree with your post above

The breaches as I understand them were of at least two different types - two different software products involved.

I was glad Bernie pointed out the October breach during the debate. If I recall the techy or campaign, it wasn't the only one.

The problem now is they'll stall. They never got a commitment to do the audit quickly.

Responsible media should follow up:
- ask DWS, the vendor, Clinton and Sanders campaigns - write about it, expedite an audit, etc
I'm not sure that's going to happen or happen in a big way because the DNC and Clinton campaign will stall.

It would be a pretty big media story if what I suspect happened was revealed by an auditor - that the Clinton campaign breached Sanders data last October ... and it was swept under the rug by the DNC - handled very differently than the most recent incident.

If I were the Sanders campaign, I'd keep the heat on and request "the preliminary audit completed next week or we'll ask a judge."

The Clinton campaign and the DNC probably damaged Bernie in the polls short term. I'd be telling the Clinton campaign and DNC that two can fight that way. If the national media got a good sniff of blood in the water, they'd probably go for Hillary's jugular and I wouldn't stop them as she'd be getting exactly what she seems to deserve if the Sanders concern is what I think it is.

December 20, 2015

Something Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and I can agree on

Last evening, on MSNBC, Debbie made these remarks
http://www.msnbc.com/tamron-hall/watch/dnc-chair-on-sanders-campaign-data-breach-588319811545
(01:32 mark)

"In order to make sure, first and foremost, that we can preserve the integrity of our voter file, we're going to be uh doing uh having an independent audit done so we can assess the depth of this breach."

(03:25 mark)
"We're still analyzing the depth of this breach. Our vendor is saying that more than one staff person on the Sanders campaign who had access to the voter file and this information actually viewed it and accessed it so that's why an independent audit is so important."

Yesterday, at a 1pm press conference, Sanders campaign made these remarks

(0:00 mark - the start)
"Two months ago, shortly after our digital vendor who conducts modeling for our campaign, told us that there was a failure in the fire wall that prevents campaigns from seeing one another's data. We contacted the DNC and told them about this failure. We were very concerned that our data had been compromised. And we were assured at that time that the fire wall between the campaigns data would be restored We're actually very confident that at that time some of our data was lost to one of the other campaigns."

Now let's bounce back to Debbie's MSNBC interview:

(05:11)
"I would ask ... anyone who is formulating an opinion about the actions we have taken to put the shoe on the other foot. If it were the Clinton campaign that accessed the proprietary information of the Sanders campaign, you can be darn sure understandably that his supporters would expect that we would take the exact same action that we are taking that is based on our memorandum of understanding, our agreement with each campaign to insure the integrity of their information, their proprietary information was not only preserved but restored."

I agree with Debbie than an independent audit is in order after a breach of a campaign's data. In the above video of the Sanders press conference, they also agree with an independent audit.

I think given Debbie's position that it's very puzzling why an independent audit wasn't done when Sanders "proprietary information" was compromised two months ago. What we're seeing again is that when Debbie actually puts "the shoe on the other foot", what she did for Clinton, she won't do for Sanders. That's a plain, indisputable fact.

So I now call on Debbie to do her job as she outlined above and have an independent auditor that the Sanders campaign and the DNC agree to, perform an independent audit of this breach in October. Maybe with oversight by Politifact, the Washington Post and/or Elizabeth Warren to keep it above board. And agree to publish the results for all to see. That's open democracy - all the cards on the table. If a campaign breached Sanders data, they would be held to account just like Debbie bushwhacked Sanders - in the media.

If Debbie won't do that, then I would call for her immediate resignation and lobby MoveOn.org, DFA and/or others to sue the DNC for an independent audit and Wasserman-Shultz' removal for a blatant failure to do her job in terms of looking into data breaches and failure to do her job competently by taking steps to stop the data breaches (and maybe for the bias of scheduling the debates on Saturday night).

Debbie was party to smearing an honest man. That bothers me - particularly when it comes from a person suffering dereliction of her duty to conduct herself as chairwoman of the DNC impartially.