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Oh, stay, huh? Since you asked, got some fine men (and at least one woman) singing here...

Aw, so there it is. But then again, there's always...

Hope the people of N.J. remember this. Really, it's too late for them, though.

Revealed at a 2009 meeting. Does anyone think he's changed, after seeing him bully a schoolteacher?

With security extraordinary on the seminar's opening night—audio speakers around the periphery of the outdoor dining pavilion blasted out static to thwart eavesdroppers—David Koch introduced Gov. Christie as "my kind of guy." (The two had previously met in private at Koch's New York City office, he revealed.) Before long, seminar attendees were roaring with laughter as Christie regaled them over dessert, telling them how, in his first weeks in office, he'd exercised extraordinary executive powers to impound billions of dollars in planned spending. ("The good news for all of you and for me," he said, "is that the governorship in New Jersey is the most powerful constitutional governorship in America."

Christie went on to explain how he'd convinced the state's Democratic majority leaders, against the wishes of most of their caucus, to help him slash public-sector pensions and benefits. And he drew a bead on his next major target: public-school teachers and their union. "That's where we head next," Christie said. "We need to take on the teachers' union once and for all, and we need to decide who is determining our children's future, who is running this place. Them or us? I say it's us."

He presented his accomplishments in New Jersey as a model for curing the nation's ills: "We know the answers. They're painful answers. We're going to have to reduce Medicare benefits. We're going to have to reduce Medicaid benefits. We're going to have to raise the Social Security age. We're going to have to do these things. We're going to have to cut all types of other government programs that some people in this room might like."

The speech was classic Christie, but the governor expressed his views to the Koch crowd with a candor that politicians—especially those with a reputation for having mainstream appeal—usually reserve for very select audiences: He called New Jersey Democratic legislators "stupid" for pushing for a tax on the wealthy that he'd previously rejected. He mimicked the voice of his predecessor, Gov. Jon Corzine. And he boldly proclaimed that he'd been elected because "their ideas are wrong and our ideas are right."


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Some at DU don't want to hear about the influence of the Koches, or maybe they don't want to hear about ALEX, and want us to focus on others. Yes, there are others, many were at that meeting, and the Koches are host to these meetings all year at various private locations around the country about long term plans.

They are stealing our future and that of our children. Christie a major part of that. Mittens and Ann Romney have pledged to back Christie with their money for a 2016 presidential run. Think of the damage he's going to do to the people of NJ before that time. Like FL, WI and TX, there will be no going back. It'll be permanent.

Sad indeed. It's the 2-minute hate or the apocalypse. No news to chew on, so bite each other...

No, no, it's tamales for Christmas. Hundreds of 'em, stay up cooking all night! Yum! n/t

I miss that.

Bet you'd love to visit Chihuly Garden and Glass, Seattle:


Many of his inspirations come from this area, as you can see in the article there. We have a strong fine arts community. In my city, works by artists are mandated in public areas.

Thanks for the beautiful glass pictures and the story of Berklee. And another Xmas flash mob for the evening:

See the joy of the children! Wish I could have been there. I love classical music, always have.

To hear it or see a play in the open air is great. Never made it to the open air Shakespeare theatre in Ashland, OR, although I've seen plays outdoors before.


Cue Darryl in 4...3...2...1... Wait, we haven't heard from him since...

Have gravel, will howl, facts or no facts, the show must go on...

They are simply repeating the memes. Rush hcalled SS pensions 'welfare' and 'charity' 20 years ago.

A generation now believes the lie repeatedly daily. It's hard for them to resist. When they've heard it for so long, they figure it is not disputed.

It's been disputed many times, but repetition has a powerful effect. Not only on those who believe it but those who don't.

The reason it effects those who know better, is that they know they are outnumbered by those who repeat the lie. It's almost become the truth, because the people silence themselves.

It's like the numerous internet threads or boards where the base assumption is that Obama is up to no good. There are many reports that say otherwise, but the only thing that will get the views are the negative titles.

It's a human trait to want to be with the crowd, to get along to not be attacked. When one is wanting to say something that goes against the flow, they know what is going to happen.

So they get demoralized and give up or go with the flow. It's almost a non-verbal thing, done without much thought. I'm glad that you were able to talk to your GOP friends...

Love the Christmasy face at the link... n/t

What an awesome pic, Cha. First time I'd seen it. Beautiful! n/t

What a special beach. And you posted another fave, too:

He is being at one with the living planet there. So few people have experienced that.

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