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freshwest's JournalYou haven't heard about the Obama Signing Pen Scandal, either, I bet. Oh, and sorry, Elizabeth!
Wow, it's getting crowded under there. At least they're in good company.
There it is. Now you'll catch hell.
Poll results on question:
http://www.dailykos.com/poll/1708001/vote
29% wanna stand by and watch government, and many of us, burn.
Or give them rabies vaccine in their dinner. It'll save more lives than theirs. Just sayin'
Yes, this is a real program begun in Texas when some areas were declared to be within a rabies epidemic area.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/disease/rabies/orvp/
Conquest > War > Famine > Disease. Almost always in that exact same order.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are described in the last book of the New Testament of the Bible, called the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ to Saint John the Evangelist at 6:1-8. The chapter tells of a book or scroll in God's right hand that is sealed with seven seals. The Lamb of God, or Lion of Judah (Jesus Christ), opens the first four of the seven seals, which summons four beings that ride out on white, red, black, and pale horses. Although some interpretations differ, in most accounts, the four riders are seen as symbolizing Conquest,[1] War,[2] Famine,[3] and Death, respectively. The Christian apocalyptic vision is that the four horsemen are to set a divine apocalypse upon the world as harbingers of the Last Judgment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse&printable=yes
Symbolism, prophecy or just a rehash of how humans affairs sort out?
I suggest the latter. There has always been famine and disease coming from the destruction of civil order or society by war. It's a given, whether it's Africa, the Middle East, or in the Americas, Asia or Europe. They are all linked and they occur in order from destroying societies.
We know about the chaos and poverty which come from a displacement, with a massive theft or land, resources or assets, and there is more than one kind of war. The cycle seems to repeat itself and the only shield I can see from it is unity of all people, justice in social affairs and maintaining the belief that nurturing a civil society is a good thing.
Too many don't value it anymore, as it has now disintegrated which does advantage certain groups. I prefer this to a religious interpretation, but am still working in my mind a possible solution to strive toward, with little hope that the masses have the will to do anything but let it happen again and again, too taken in by diversions.
Most likely not what you expected as an answer, but the OP indicates three of those factors in play. And whether people will believe in this as some sort of spiritual event, a judgement or whatever they choose, it happened so many times, that we should work hard to stop the beginning of the cycle and work to prevent things getting to a tipping point even if war was not the trigger.
JMHO.
Plenty of Ebola panic being pushed:
Basic scientific knowledge is being applied to combat the media hysteria, at least in some quarters:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/science-reporter-slams-foxs-ebola-coverage-level-of-ignorance-we-shouldnt-allow-in-media/
to Mister Nightowl:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014911239
That second one is worth the time to view, for those who are understandably being frightened by the GOP media spin machine.
Meantime, in typical GOP style the GOP's response to the actions taken by Obama to stop the disease in Africa citing security concerns for America and the world, they voted to slash funding:
GOP House guts White House’s request for funds to fight and contain Ebola
By David Ferguson - September 9, 2014
House Republicans have gutted a White House-sponsored bill that would direct funding to the fight to contain the hemorrhagic fever Ebola, which is raging out of control in multiple African countries.
The Hill blog reported that a source familiar with the budget negotiations confirmed that House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-KY) will agree to provide only $40 million of the $88 million the Obama administration asked for in its 2015 budget.
Twenty-five million dollars of the $40 million would go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and $15 to the Biological Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) in order to speed up production of an experimental anti-Ebola drug.
The Obama administration originally asked for $58 million for BARDA, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. The agency is tasked with coordinating the nation’s response to public health crises, including medical testing, vaccines, drug development and other products and services associated with “public health and medical consequences of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) accidents, incidents and attacks, pandemic influenza, and emerging infectious diseases.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/gop-house-guts-white-houses-request-for-funds-to-fight-and-contain-ebola/
to unhappycamper:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1104866
They still want to repeal the ACA. As this poster says:
to Pryderi:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5625918
Former SC GOP director now calls for Americans to execute anyone who 'might have' Ebola. Will there be a rash of SYG shootings now?
to circlethesquare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=219402
Not the fault of Police. It was not because of neglect, but logistics:
to Galraedia for this video:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017219322
to Judge Jenkins who found someone to let them stay in a home they owned. It was for their safety and that of others after authorities were unable to talk anyone into renting to them. This is the same Judge who made Dallas County a sanctuary for children coming across the border despite the hate and hysteria earlier this year. Rachel does a good interview with him.
It would be awesome! The dreadlocks, and all, umm, yeah, he's the best!
Lately seems Marshawn *Beastmode* Lynch has more fans among guys. The women still *heart* Richard.
But you get some dreads, a Number 25 jersey, your Legion of Boom cap, safety green and navy blue pants and tennis shoes, gloves and coat, and you will be good to go!
Be sure to practice the attitude and dance, too:
Some of why he's so popular, including his Halloween costume:
23 Reasons Richard Sherman Is Actually One Of The Most Likable Players In The NFL
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjkiebus/23-reasons-richard-sherman-is-quietly-one-of-the-most-likabl#3bxcdm3
A little more about that rant the MSM blew out of proportion, here's where he gave the falsely alleged upset news woman a hug:
This is a good interview, and both he and the CNN reporter go into the racism in this interview:
The Seahawks will be the theme for Halloween and for Xmas here, too. Have a great time and hope the weather is good for some outdoor fun.
And that shopping mayhem the Friday after Thanksgiving - NEVER!
Besides I always had all the Xmas gifts bought before Halloween. All the family birthdays fell between Labor Day and Christmas.
Used to budget for buying Xmas all year and couldn't handle the stress of that last minute shopping. Not into the real trendy stuff, anyway.
We usually got clothes for Xmas anyway. Yes, my folks were party poopers but we heard Nate King Cole and Johnny Mathis, etc. for about a month in our house. There was always a tree and stockings and lights. And the dinner...
As far as Halloween goes, it was a bigger deal when I lived in a warmer climate when it was dry and cool at that time of year. Good for going out. Where I live now, it's likely to be a fall gale, cold and rainy and no fun to be outside.
Won't be any mystery about Halloween this year. Since everyone's gonna dress up like the Seahawks this year, anyway. Yay, Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch and Richard Sherman (my fave):
Need I say more?
No. Citing security threat, Obama expands U.S. role fighting Ebola:
By Jeff Mason and James Harding Giahyue - Sep 16, 2014
U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, September 16, 2014. Credit: Reuters/Larry Downing
ATLANTA/MONROVIA (Reuters) -
...Obama's plan calls for sending 3,000 troops, including engineers and medical personnel; establishing a regional command and control center in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, commanded by Major General Darryl Williams, who arrived there on Tuesday; and forming a staging area in Senegal to help distribute personnel and aid on the ground. It also calls for building 17 treatment centers with 100 beds each; placing U.S. Public Health Service personnel in new field hospitals in Liberia; training thousands of healthcare workers for six months or longer; and creating an "air bridge" to get health workers and medical supplies into West Africa more quickly. The worst Ebola outbreak since the disease was identified in 1976 has already killed nearly 2,500 people and is threatening to spread elsewhere in Africa. Obama said "the world is looking to us" to take the lead against Ebola, but urged other nations also to take action because the epidemic is "spiraling out of control" and "people are literally dying in the streets..."
Obama said that if the outbreak is not stopped now, hundreds of thousands of people may become infected, "with profound political and economic and security implications for all of us."
"This is an epidemic that is not just a threat to regional security. It’s a potential threat to global security, if these countries break down, if their economies break down, if people panic. That has profound effects on all of us, even if we are not directly contracting the disease," Obama added...
Liberians hailed the word that U.S. troops were coming, recalling a military operation in 2003 that helped stabilize the country during a civil war. "This is welcome news. This is what we expected from the U.S. a long time ago," Anthony Mulbah, a student at the University of Monrovia, said in the dilapidated oceanfront capital. "The U.S. remains a strong partner to Liberia." In Liberia, a shortage of space in clinics for isolating victims means patients are being turned away, then infecting others. Ebola spreads rapidly, causes fever and uncontrolled bleeding...
The U.S. intervention comes as the pace of cash and emergency supplies dispatched to the region accelerates.
Before Tuesday, Washington had sent about 100 health officials and committed some $175 million in aid. Other nations, including Cuba, China, France and Britain; have pledged medical workers, health centers and other forms of support. Critics, including regional leaders, former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and Peter Piot, one of the scientists who discovered Ebola in 1976; have said international efforts so far have fallen woefully short...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/us-health-ebola-obama-idUSKBN0HB08S20140916
Comments on this piece when cited on another website ranged from 'Good job, Obama'; to conservatives saying to let them all die, Obama will bring the infected troops home to kill us like the Spanish flu; to factual rebuttals on every bit of conservative error and hysteria. Rebuttals:
*I have to say that most of the posters here should be ashamed of their comments. They show your lack of understanding of the world as well as a couple with some thinly veiled racism. None of you could be involved with a church that sends medical people throughout the world to help in countries where people are dying. You also don’t have any friends or relatives working in the oils business who work in places like this. You all should work on your compassion a wee bit.
*Y’all, of course, realize that the US military doesn’t just consist of guys with guns, right? There are engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists. Heck, there already is one health center in Liberia being run by US military personnel. And, of course, if the US sends engineers, doctors and nurses in there will need to be some guys with guns to protect them. Why should we do that? Because ebola will spread. The CDC is already working with hospitals in the US on how to deal with it. It is in our interest to contain that and minimize the impact. also, troops have been training for germ warfare, exposure to this type of situation.
*Why do people think ISIS needs to be contained but not Ebola? Why do people think that people who wish harm to the US are not trying to leverage the outbreak of Ebola against the US? This is why we cannot allow this to fester in anarchy. That, and we are human beings who are supposed to care about other defenseless humans beings who are suffering from this outbreak.
*This will be a great opportunity for our CBN (chemical biological nuclear)Trained troops to get the real hands on Bio-warfare training. Good to have this knowledge for the future. With Synthetic Biology and the ease of modifying the genetics of organisms, we will see terrorists and even Military uses of Hemorrhagic and other diseases in our lifetimes. If ISIS or some other group got one of their members sick then he could be transported to USA or Europe and blow himself up in a crowed place. You Obama haters better use logic and not emotion with this issue.
*The 1918 Flu originated in Haskell County, Kansas, spread to US Army bases, went to surrounding cities, went to US ports, and went to foreign ports and Europe. It was called the Spanish Flu because most countries, including the US, Allies, and Central Powers, had censorship to conceal bad news, so Spanish newspapers were the only source of information about the 1918 Influenza Epidemic that came from the US. It should have been called the Kansas Flu.
*Folks, there are daily flights from the Unites States to these West African countries and back. Some of those arriving on the flights are your neighbors, co-workers, children’s classmates, neighborhood small business employees, etc. The United States is the largest melting pot in the world as far as people diversity goes. Even if direct flights to these countries are stopped, you cannot stop people from seeing their family members – they’ll always find a way. It is in your best interest that the United States helps to contain the disease there in West Africa than wait for it to get here. Its only a matter of time before it gets here.
Those were responses to posts claiming that the Spanish Flu was why we went to WW1, and part of President Wilson's plot to kill Americans. 
More posters pushed the theme that Obama wants infected troops to come back and decimate the American population in the same way.
The rebuttals show a realistic world view. We should go abroad since whatever is going on elsewhere, will be here. Because we are an immigrant culture and government must take action to protect all of us.
We hear a lot of hatred toward world cultures and connections, even from those who benefit. Isn't this how world peace is supposed to come about?
From the thread I posted two weeks ago. I've since updated it with more and we've had some good updates by Dhhhd and others.
I appreciate your support for your Librerian neighbors.
This a medical mission, it's certainly not what Louie Gohmert says:
His statement about the military being trained only to kill people shows he learned his knowledge on the subject from Rush, who says the military only exists to 'break things and kill people.' That is untrue.
'Talking with someone today about how much fear and misinformation is being put out there. As it's hard to relax when everyone is yelling 'fire'.
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