January 20, 2014

This should be an OP. It would be an important discussion here:

"...the guy that thinks there should be NO secrets/surveillance in government, and runs a private company/group based on brokering secrets gained through surveillance ... thinks the guy that is working to balance the privacy rights and national security interests of the American people (with real life consequences, should he get it wrong) is an embarrassment..."

The important consideration is... What do those legislators that have a similar responsibility as the President (i.e., balancing the privacy rights and national security interests of the American people) think?


Do you think it's possible to have this discussion here?

January 20, 2014

Thanks for keeping it real. Ypu win the thread. n/t

January 20, 2014

You mean, this parody?

And Bruce keeps on saying:

I GOTTA TAKE A LEAK!

I think the 'hurting the working man' may have got through to one of Christie's delusions he cons himself with about really caring about people. His behavior does not bear that out. Hope NJ realizes what they elected there and clean house.

January 19, 2014

Glad you enjoyed it. These paragraphs shouted out to me:

...A major Republican donor, Langone told CNBC in a story published online Monday that wealthy people such as himself might stop giving to charity if the Pope continues to make statements criticizing capitalism and income inequality.

Langone said he was worried the Pope’s comments about an “exclusionary” “culture of prosperity” that may make some of the rich “incapable of feeling compassion for the poor.”

Pot, kettle, black, etc.

“Yep. Stop criticizing the rich or we’ll take it out on the poor,” writes Krugman. “Nothing at all like punishing the residents of Fort Lee - and, apparently, in what may be a much worse story, Hoboken - because you’re annoyed at their mayor.”

As if Langore is NOT in the business of PUNISHING the poor now?



He's unwilling to give up the privilege he enjoys now. His words mean nothing. The reason he's in politics is to further his own ambitions to enrich himself. His vision is like his heart, very tiny.

Obama made a comment about such thinking, and it's why this guy will be nothing in history, and Obama will be remembered well:



JMHO.

January 19, 2014

Got another link? I like reading Salon. This link says: '403 Forbidden nginx.'

I hope thw Polar Votrex is not going to strike again and eally did want to see it.

January 19, 2014

I don't think Democrats are sowing division or are afflicted with ODS. Both would be illogical.

To continously deride and allege evil intent of the leader of one's group, shows one is not trying to convince a person to support that group.

An example I gave once was like a waiter telling everyone how horrible the cook at the restaurant is, then expect the customer to gladly make an order. It will not work, why should it work in politics?

We've got a constant choir in media paid by the GOP or Koches, to drag down our ideals and ideas. The current is constant and negative. And there are likely those who support other parties that have their own idea of what a liberal is, such as libertarians. This site is not exclusive to Democrats, obviously.

Trashing Obama and Democrats is a learned thing from media. People know instinctively that it's the faux majority in this country that never give Obama or the Democrats the benefit of the doubt. They won't flex their minds or hearts to consider that the man may be doing the right thing, or that he is working for us, or that he is moral or competent, so they ascribe all the worst motive to thim. So they reflect that here, to curry favor among those who listen to the same.

I see this in public places, It is hard to speak with enthusiasm about Obama, as one expects to be attacked. so support is often qualified with 'buts' or apologies. There is nothing to apologize for, but it's like meeting with Flat Earthers. You can tell they have been brainwashed and don't like to have that belief questioned.

The one they got from thousands of hours of television, radio, magazines, papers and online. Every subliminal technique has been used to make people ashamed of liking Obama. Or the Democrats. From ugly pictures and repeated polls online that suggest that Obama has done a heinous thing or is planning to do something, it takes a toll.

I'm as proud of this President as anyone could be, because I actually listen to what he actually has to say, what he means, and not the second-hand gossip that infects online message boards, and I know I am going to sneered at - all for no good reason, just the pack doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from what they think is normal.

It's not all that smart to stop thinking and analyzing. For me, I understand that life and people, like theatre, requires one try to look at things with an open mind and heart, or in the case of fiction or movies, a 'suspension of belief.'

This is something I've done repeatedly to get to how a person thinks to work with them on various projects. I'll stick with a theatrical exmaple. When one watches science fiction, one suspends belief often. Star Trek has many consructs that one had to accept to follow that reality: People and things can be converted into energy and transported across deadly space or great distance and survive. That people could travel beyond the speed of light, that weaponry and force fields were technologically possible and also practical. That's a leap of imagination.

So I go with the person, get to know them and accept their beliefs, work with those beliefs and see if they make any sense. then make my decision on 'who's kidding who' later. Like following CT, which often says Obama is out to get us all for no reason that' proveable, but part of the mythology.

Many believe this as firmly as some do Creationism, the Second Coming or the Virgin Birth of Christ. It's a new cult of belief, all data is put through that filter.

EarlG made a good image on a subject we'd tried with research and reasoning to get through to some who could not believe that Obama was doing the right thing on Syria, or Libya, or Afghanistan. Many were all fixated on conclusions that did not match up with the facts:



Remember that spell here? It always goes in currents, sometimes like tidal waves and other times just annoying, mosquito nipping and water dripping.

That may not make a lot of sense to you. But I've got to get to bed. Take care, Number 23.

January 19, 2014

Wow! Great piece. Off to the Greatest Page with it! n/t

January 19, 2014

Not weird, neither was it when Kucinich did. Different job titles. Respect all of them.

Obama brought Warren to Washington, D.C.:



Elizabeth Warren's Full DNC Speech - Elections 2012



More from Warren on Obama:



MISS THIS? Last Week, Obama Endorsed Bernie Sanders’ Citizens United Overhaul (from 2012)



...Of the many questions he answered, perhaps most intriguing to progressives was his endorsement of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ Saving Democracy Amendment, a constitutional amendment that tackles campaign finance reform and specifically overturns the Supreme Court’s Citizens United v. FEC decision.

Although he admitted there is only a small chance that the amendment would pass, it does give a boost to a conversation about dark money and it’s place in the American political spectrum. Answering a participant’s question, Obama stated:

“Money has always been a factor in politics, but we are seeing something new in the no-holds barred flow of seven and eight figure checks, most undisclosed, into super-PACs; they fundamentally threaten to overwhelm the political process over the long run and drown out the voices of ordinary citizens. We need to start with passing the Disclose Act that is already written and been sponsored in Congress – to at least force disclosure of who is giving to who. We should also pass legislation prohibiting the bundling of campaign contributions from lobbyists. Over the longer term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment process to overturn Citizens United (assuming the Supreme Court doesn’t revisit it). Even if the amendment process falls short, it can shine a spotlight of the super-PAC phenomenon and help apply pressure for change...”

Sen. Sanders Saving Democracy Amendment states:

SECTION 1. The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons and do not extend to for-profit corporations, limited liability companies, or other private entities established for business purposes or to promote business interests under the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state.

SECTION 2. Such corporate and other private entities established under law are subject to regulation by the people through the legislative process so long as such regulations are consistent with the powers of Congress and the States and do not limit the freedom of the press.

SECTION 3. Such corporate and other private entities shall be prohibited from making contributions or expenditures in any election of any candidate for public office or the vote upon any ballot measure submitted to the people.

SECTION 4. Congress and the States shall have the power to regulate and set limits on all election contributions and expenditures, including a candidate’s own spending, and to authorize the establishment of political committees to receive, spend, and publicly disclose the sources of those contributions and expenditures.

http://wepartypatriots.com/wp/2012/09/03/miss-this-last-week-obama-endorsed-bernie-sanders-citizens-united-overhaul/

Obama spoke on United Citizens the year it was decided by the USSC, and supported the Disclose Act which was filibustered. Obama said a Constitutional Amendment would be very hard to pass, but could help mobilize the public.

We saw the effects in 2010 as the dark money took over all the elections in the states and congress. We are still living with the fallout, and it has not let up one bit since that year. It was another coup by the conservative court.

I've seen Kucinich personally stand up for Obama, saying he is a progressive and has a different job than his. That he would do his, just like Obama does his.



Kucinich Asks Supporters To Back Obama As Second Choice In Iowa



03/28/08

Dennis Kucinich advised his supporters Tuesday that if he failed to garner enough backers in the first round of the Iowa caucuses, they should throw their support behind Sen. Barack Obama...

"I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, Kucinich said in a statement to the press. "But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change..."

In a statement emailed out to reporters, Obama thanked the veteran Ohio Congressman for his support.

"I have a lot of respect for Congressman Kucinich, and I'm honored that he has done this because we both believe deeply in the need for fundamental change," said Senator Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/01/kucinich-asks-supporters-_n_79088.html

The desire to present any of these people as enemies is a big fail, or just ignorant. There is no daylight between them on things that matter. They know the big picture and are doing their part.

Media is working to divide Democrats for the GOP. Thank goodness our elected officials are not fooled and are each doing their part and working in their own way.

Cheers for all these united Democrats.

January 19, 2014

Another myth about the poor:

January 19, 2014

I've posted the Confederate plan in their President and VP's own words. They said after Lincoln

issued the Emancipation Proclamation, their intent was to kidnap every black person in reach and hold them and all their generations as slaves in perpetuity.

This is their philosophy. It's a lot more subtle since Nixon's campaigner Lee Atwaters' Southern Strategy began, but it comes from the same twisted thinking. Transpose this to the Tea Party and what they've done state by state, little change.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021801941#post30