Stepping in gently

Those black DUers who have been indentified as house 'n-words' by a member at Jackpine Radical on twitter -

We aren't anti semites. You can find quite a few of my posts giving my heritage where I make clear that I have direct relations who are/were Jewish. As well - I'm counted on by a few folks to stand up and clearly call b.s. on blatant anti-semitism posts that survive juries at DU.

SOME - SOME of us - black folks - found Manny to be a 'pat the negro on the head and tell them what they are supposed to be concerned about' type of person. This goes back a few years ago this February (black history month).

Doesn't make him a blatant bigot - just . . . it's not anti semitism in some quarters. He earned being not liked or dislike - just - dismissed as an 'online persona'. Not too this, not too that.

He offended in a big way, never apologized, and so a lot of folks had him in their personal trash pile for a few years (predating the Hillary Clinton Supporters site). Just not someone we'd ever have in our homes because he would be expecting fried chicken and watermelon and be upset at grilled chilean sea bass and arugula salad. No point in inviting him. Right?

I just want to make clear - my personal dismissal of him - had nothing to do with his religion. I don't have it in me to think like that - let alone make jokes about someone's race or religion with snide, vicious little stereotype and 'don't be such ninnies' type language.

Is it possible there IS some anti semitism involved?

You betcha.

There are some sick blatant anti-semites on this site - but if I point them out . . . not good. I put that in the same bucket as accusing someone of being a racist. For the record - bravenak said someone's words were racist, got a hide, and Skinner supported it (the hide) and the person she justly accused of this language survived here for a few more years.

I just don't think blaming it on a spinoff site when juries at DU have allowed it to occur and stand - is something I agree with.

You should go to his Facebook page

And make that suggestion. I'm of no help - I don't wear foundation so probably couldn't advise him on a good choice. But if he wants to talk hair or create a burn book I'm good at that. And then we can wax our bikini lines!

It made the National News right?

Good, bad, indifferent America has engaged in alienating behavior. We are alienated. Our black youth - are extremely alienated.

When alienated - this is what you get.

I'm using the word 'alienate' because I've seen it used by white posters at DU the past few days to describe how these actions and words make them feel on a personal level. There have been these outpouring of emotions posts that I don't understand. I'm trying to though.

They are shocked at the words, the signs, the actions - we had a DUer try to get a SOP lock on an op in the AfAm group this past week because someone posted a comedian's video where she uses laughter and humor to show how it " feels" when non blacks speak over blacks to explain to us why/what we should be feeling. The video thread is still on the main page. In the thread you can see where I posted the Alert to Group Hosts Content.


Our very language and laughter at the nightmare the country is for us is now an affront to America.

That's an alienating concept.

And I agree on destruction in black neighborhoods - but BLM pre dates Ferguson - it started with a teenager named Trayvon.

This isn't going away any time soon.


So how can get non black Americans who are disturbed by ALL of it to understand that. It's the new normal. And they have to accept it. Don't have o like it or agree with it - but have to accept that the anger from sustained relentless alienation is there.


Tell us how to help them accept it. Help us to help come to terms with it . . .

The not comparing to other countries I agree with

And it goes to the black American experience.

We started as selfish wealthy colonists who over turned our Monarchy. The best "other example" since they overturned the power of the same country is India. But that wasn't the wealthy who made it happen there - disconnect.

When they overturned the power structure three things remained in place -
People as commodities - Slaves/Black Americans
People removal to benefit the expansion of commerce - Natives
People Indentured to support commerce - Indentured Servants . . . Many from what is now Great Britain.

All three allowed for Capitalism to be cemented in our culture. That's why on the face of the I Am A Man Garbage men movement it appears to be a move towards labor/socialism -

But in reality it was a move against the government of that city, state, country to treat all EARNERS equally. To a fair wage for a black man who might have liked to support his family without dependence on social welfare programs.

You have to contrast their desire to make a buck and live independently with the White Male City, State, Country Union employees who COULD support their families.

It was about equal access to capital so they could build wealth. It was about their wives and children being able to rely on the government he paid taxes to - in the event of his death on the job. So - his children had a shot in the US.

People say - well some do - that The Great Gatsby is the great American novel. It's about desire - one being to be a part of the "American Dream". I say - that American Dream of prosperity and affluence - a decent life - it was never ours.

Until a shot rang out . . .

Read through it twice kindof

You know - my Aunt and Uncle - when he was recruited by Xerox in the mid 1960's . . . Had to look at (to purchase) and move in at night. Rochester NY . . . It was everywhere.

I can't c/p on my iPad from the NPR site - but there is a piece in there about how whites we're "allowed" to purchase the tract home at around 9K . . . They increased in value to 400/500 K. That became - becomes - handed down wealth, sending kids to college, etc etc

I know too many black folks who didn't grow up in a 'house' - and they've worked very hard to acquire the wealth they do have. It's why I get batty about the 'redistribute the wealth' trope.

From whom and to whom?

Can a black family with a home, a vacation home, maybe a few hundred k in their retirement who are first generation home owners/wealth builders be excused fom that?

Because it seems pretty shitty to take something from people who thumbed their noses at America and beat this country at their own game.

Not Supporting a Candidate When You are Black

Screen play idea -Ohio

Thanks for this!

This is a great post

And all of those folks that only show up back here when it's to defend The Bernie show what their intent is by not responding or rec'ing it.

I'll remember that.

Lather, rinse, repeat:
Infants of African American women in 2008 had the largest death rate, which was more than twice the rate among infants of white women.

John Lewis - 2014 Post Comparing Cornel to POTUS doesn't make sense to me

I wrote this Tuesday, August 26, 2014 http://www.democraticunderground.com/11878298.

My comments still stand. This was long before anyone declared they were running for the office of POTUS.

If Corny  is so right - why hasn't he ever run for office. He lived in Princeton. They haven't  elected a Republican Mayor in oh since . . .

He couldn't even run for Mayor of Princeton NJ?

Really?

I'd like to quote the wise and sage Stevie Wonder:

We would not care to wake up to the nightmare
That's becoming real life
But when mislead who knows a person's mind
Can turn as cold as ice
Why do you keep on making us hear your song
Tellin' us how you are changing right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothin'

Group Host - I'm going to make it easy for you ALBliberal block

But I'm going to brek our rules. I'm not giving a warning. I'm copying and pasting the disruptive posts by someone who states they are going back to "ignoring these threads" - and blocking you.

Don't pm me - I will be blocking you from doing so momentarily.


ALBliberal (406 posts) 
18. Why in the world was a physical address ever given out?

I have no sympathy. No one should be giving out addresses on this forum. This drama is not at all what I want to read about or be subjected