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friendly_iconoclast's JournalAny "War on Guns" will be delayed until 2015 at the earliest.
Because of the Republicans. They control the House, and have nothing left to lose
by saying no.
Most of them are in safe seats, so they won't buck the Teabagger line-they saw what happened
to Richard Lugar. They'll want their pound of flesh for any compromise at all.
(Oregon) State senator to introduce bill limiting gun magazines to 10 rounds
Note the industrial-strength ignorance in the last sentence of the quote:
http://www.katu.com/politics/State-senator-ginny-burdick-to-introduce-bill-limiting-gun-magazines-to-10-rounds-183274031.html
By Steve Benham KATU.com Politics Editor Published: Dec 12, 2012 at 6:39 PM PST Last Updated: Dec 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM PST
PORTLAND, Ore. – The day after the fatal shooting rampage by a lone gunman at a local mall Tuesday, Oregon state Sen. Ginny Burdick, D-Portland, said she’ll introduce a bill next legislative session to limit gun magazines to 10 rounds.
Burdick sent an email to her fellow lawmakers Wednesday morning urging them to support her legislation after police said 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts entered the Clackamas Town Center Tuesday afternoon with an AR-15 and opened fire, killing 45-year-old Steve Forsyth and 54-year-old Cindy Yuille. Kristina Shevchenko, 15, was badly wounded and was still in the hospital Wednesday in serious condition.
Police said Roberts then shot himself dead.
In her email to lawmakers, Burdick argued large capacity magazines can increase the number of people killed when someone opens fire in a crowded public place.
Umm, hello? Ms. Burdick, have you ever heard of a place called Virginia Tech and/or a
fellow named Seng-hui Cho? This isn't quite on the level of "shoulder thing that goes up"-
but it's close.
Little Rock shooting: fresh testimony casts doubt on police account
Source: Guardian (UK)
...But the Guardian has learned of new testimony from another police officer who witnessed the shooting, which has cast doubt on Lesher's account and raised important questions over the original police inquiry and the county prosecutor's subsequent decision to rule the shooting justified.
In his testimony to lawyers for Ellison's sons, Vincent Lucio, one of four officers present when Ellison was shot, said he did not believe Ellison posed a deadly threat, according to the documents seen by the Guardian.
Lucio maintains that all of the officers, including Lesher, were outside Ellison's apartment when she fired inside his apartment at him – in apparent violation of the Little Rock police department's own rules on the use of deadly force.
LRPD general order 303 forbids officers from firing inside a building "unless the officer or someone else is drawing deadly fire and the suspect can be identified and is clearly visible"...
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/06/little-rock-shooting-testimony-police-account
Bloomberg tried to stab Liz Warren in the back. You don't talk about *that*, do you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/nyregion/bloomberg-gives-support-to-senator-scott-brown.htmlBy DAVID W. CHEN
Published: July 26, 2012
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, one of the most outspoken defenders of Wall Street, has sided against one of the financial industry’s biggest critics in a hotly contested Senate race in his native Massachusetts.
Mr. Bloomberg has agreed to host a fund-raiser at his Upper East Side town house for the re-election campaign of Senator Scott P. Brown, a Republican, who is being challenged by a fiery consumer advocate, Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat who is also a professor at Harvard Law School...
How about 'the "Carolyn Keene" of gun control activism'?...
...since there are at least three names associated with "mikeb30200"...:
Mike Bonomo, purportedly a 55+ expat from New Jersey living in Italy:
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Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining.
I have no problem with ANY of those, for various reasons.
Firstly, because while the NRA happens to agree with *me* ( as well as some other people
you should know about:
http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/
http://www.bluesteeldemocrats.org/GOCs/usamap.html)
in re gun laws (and almost nothing else), and secondly:
it really, really pisses off self-appointed witchfinders who fancy themselves the guardians
of Democratic purity.
(I used to refer to these wowsers as 'self-appointed zampolits', but research showed me that zampolits
occasionally served useful functions beyond the usual hunting down of spies and counterrevolutionaries.
This latest lot here seem intent upon aping the nuttier factions amongst the Republicans
in seeking to 'purge the heretics' instead of coolly enquiring just why they are failing at
their stated goals
Good news from Oregon- Pro-gun Dems win seats
From the Gun Owners caucus of the Democratic Party of Oregon:
http://www.bluesteeldemocrats.org/GOCs/usamap.html
http://www.dpo.org/communities/gun-owners
Democrats don't want your guns--we've already got our own.
Support for civil rights and economic justice is the bedrock of the Democratic Party. The Gun Owners Caucus (GOC-DPO) believes that gun ownership is the critical civil right which preserves the rest of our American freedoms. We enjoy the benefits of living in a free and armed society and work to live up to the responsibilities that requires.
In 2005, the DPO passed a resolution (RES 2005-008) stating that "the right to keep and bear arms [is] an individual right not granted by the government, but rather guaranteed by the government." That means the right is inalienable. The GOC-DPO aims to expand the promise of the Democratic Party of Oregon by widening the party's base by advertising, promoting, and defending its pro-Second Amendment platform and policies, and reaching out to all liberals who support the Constitution and its clear language.
Anyway, to the results:
CD-4: Peter DeFazio (Not rated well by the right) *** WON ***
CD-5: Kurt Schrader NRA: A- *** WON ***
Here are the gun friendly Democrats who won their races for Oregon Senate or House:
SD-5 Arnie Roblan OFF: B+ NRA: A Endorsed *** WON ***
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HD-9 Catherine McKeown NRA: AQ (A Qualified) *** WON **
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HD-14 Val Hoyle OFF: A- NRA: A+ Endorsed *** WON ***
HD-16 Sara Gelser OFF: B- *** WON ***
HD-21 Brian Clem OFF: B- NRA: A+ Endorsed (GOC Member) *** WON ***
HD-22 Betty Komp OFF: B *** WON ***
HD-28 Jeff Barker OFF: A NRA: A+ Endorsed (GOC Member) *** WON ***
HD-29 Ben Unger NRA: AQ (A Qualified) *** WON ***
HD-31 Brad Witt OFF: A NRA: A+ Endorsed *** WON ***
HD-32 Deborah Boone OFF: B NRA: A- Endorsed *** WON ***
HD-42 Jules Kopel Bailey OFF: B *** WON ***
HD-50 Greg Matthews OFF: B+ NRA: B+ Endorsed *** WON ***
HD-51 Shemia Fagan NR (GOC Member) *** WON ***
HD-55 John Huddle NRA: B- Lost
HD-59 Gary Ollerenshaw NRA: B Lost
Number of gun licenses in Massachusetts shoots up
Video at link:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/Number-of-gun-licenses-in-Massachusetts-shoots-up/-/12520878/17217164/-/pen6nf/-/index.html
...The most recent records from the Mass Firearms Records Bureau shows 254,653 state residents currently holding Class A gun licenses, which allow them to purchase, possess and transport large-capacity firearms, like a Glock 19 9-mm weapon. Gun owners also need to have a Class A license in order to carry concealed weapons.
Team 5 Investigates discovered the number of people getting that kind of access is going up. An analysis of firearms records show that all but three Massachusetts communities have seen increases in the past 18 months.
Some of those increases are dramatic.
Franklin saw the largest -- a 20 percent jump since 2010 -- followed closely by Randolph, Pembroke and Falmouth. Each of those towns saw a 19 percent increase...
Given the latest population estimates from the Census Bureau...:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html
Population, 2011 estimate 6,587,536
...it would mean that +/- 3.8% of Bay Staters have a concealed weapons permit, which is about a 20% increase since 2006.
Looks like liberal Massachusetts isn't quite as antigun as it's been made out to be.
Mike30200, err..Baldr,err...Jason wouldn't know about Italian gun policy, as he lives in Portland.
Either he's really racking up the frequent flier miles or he's got some serious 'splainin to do:
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http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2012/02/baldr-odinson-outs-himself.html
(I hope I'm not the only one that finds that caption hilarious-talk about delusions of grandeur!)
The guy's got more house names than Edward Stratemeyer!
It's not vigilanteeism; police are NOT required to protect you
It's pragmatism- The police aren't required to help you, per several high level court decisions. Note this one from decidedly gun-unfriendly DC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
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Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals (equivalent to a state supreme court) case that held police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals.
In this case, three rape victims sued the District of Columbia for negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. They phoned the police, reporting that their house was being burglarized, and waited on the roof. Their call was incorrectly dispatched as less important than it was three minutes after they made the call, and three police cars came to the scene, three minutes after the call was dispatched. One policeman drove by without stopping, and another officer walked up to the door and knocked. Upon receiving no answer, the officers left five minutes after they had arrived. Nine minutes later, the two women called the police again and were assured they would receive assistance. This call was never dispatched and the police never came. Believing that the police had arrived and were in the house, the two women called down to the third who was being attacked. This alerted the intruders to their presence, and they then took them captive at knife-point. They were then raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for the next fourteen hours. The court noted that because the police are only under a general duty to provide services to the public at large, a special relationship must exist between the police and the individual in question for the "duty" element of negligence to be satisfied. It held that no such special relationship existed so the case was properly dismissed by the trial court for failure to state a claim and the case never went to trial.[3]...
And if any of these women had shot one or more of these sociopaths, would you describe them as 'vigilantes'?
Lest you think this legal principle is unique to DC, read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County
I must give you credit however- you haven't quite described gun ownership for self-defense purposes as "an insult to the state"...
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