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December 22, 2019

Thank you for this..

Sen. Elizabeth Warren ask[ed] darkly what the “closed-door” dinner conversation among us “billionaires” was about. Allow me to lift the veil. South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg took questions for about an hour before departing (from what I could see, without so much as a sip of the prized wine). A physician asked what the mayor would do to expand access to primary care for the uninsured. A woman across the table asked what he would do to extract us from seemingly endless military entanglements in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The college dean wanted to hear more about the mayor’s plans for higher education, including to reduce dropout rates. There was a question about the crisis of climate change.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/21/about-that-wine-cave-dinner-i-was-there/
December 21, 2019

I know.. I'm really disappointed, too..

I hate the bogus purity contests that have already brought us so much grief.

I wish she never would have gone down this Sanders road..

Cory Booker didn't like Warren's "wine cave" attack on Buttigieg

Therein lies the risk that Booker identifies for the Democrats, that not only is very little gained from this line of attack, it also might embitter voters toward other candidates who fail the test. And as Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders demonstrated Thursday night, that risk extends to Warren.

Seconds after Warren and Pete finished up, Sanders swooped in to boast that he is “the only candidate up here that doesn’t have any billionaire contributions,” which includes Warren. Her current presidential campaign, not her old pre-pledge Senate campaign, has accepted donations at or near the $2800 individual contribution limit from at least six billionaires.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287388461
December 21, 2019

Wow, Zingers from Sen Klobuchar!

I loved Klobuchar's comment that nobody has a monopoly on bold ideas, directed at Bernie, that if you want to cross a river you build a bridge, not blow it up. And Pete's reply to Warren's insinuation of corruption by a wine cave, that she's using money from the same kind of fundraisers: "Did it corrupt you? Of course not!"

Both very pertinent! And, I will be passing them on.. so, Mahalo, betsuni!
December 21, 2019

The rhetoric of this clash is obscuring a deeper truth:

...the latter believe in incremental progress, courting the wealthy, and building on Obamacare. The seemingly massive differences between these two factions represent a fierce ideological fight for the future of the Democratic Party.

The rhetoric of this clash is obscuring a deeper truth: All the lead contenders are running on the most progressive agendas to ever dominate a Democratic primary. Indeed, by the standards of the Democratic Party in 2008, the moderates look like leftists. As a result, if Biden or Buttigieg actually win the nomination, they will be running on the most progressive platform of any Democratic nominee in history.

Thank you, hpd!
December 21, 2019

But it's Not a Wine CAVE!!!!!

I wish she never would have gone down this Sanders road..

Cory Booker didn't like Warren's "wine cave" attack on Buttigieg

Therein lies the risk that Booker identifies for the Democrats, that not only is very little gained from this line of attack, it also might embitter voters toward other candidates who fail the test. And as Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders demonstrated Thursday night, that risk extends to Warren.

Seconds after Warren and Pete finished up, Sanders swooped in to boast that he is “the only candidate up here that doesn’t have any billionaire contributions,” which includes Warren. Her current presidential campaign, not her old pre-pledge Senate campaign, has accepted donations at or near the $2800 individual contribution limit from at least six billionaires.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287388461

**** the purity tests.. they've caused too much Grief already
December 21, 2019

I appreciate her calling out BS..

Klobuchar didn’t limit her criticism to Buttigieg on Thursday night. Turning to Sen. Bernie Sanders, she said a Democrat can be “progressive and practical at the same time,” criticizing him for his “Medicare for All” proposal and advocating for the country to build on the Affordable Care Act instead.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/20/klobuchar-debate-performance-highlights-088531

December 21, 2019

Biden spoke about 4 minutes less.. I guess

that's a long time in debate time..

Who talked the most during the
December Democratic debate


BS talked the most with 19.9 minutes.. but the WaPo writer put him in the "Loser" category. So it's not always how "long". The WaPo called the Biden the "Winner".

Winners and losers from the December Democratic debate

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287387841#post2

Amy had 19.6 Pete 19.4 EW 19.3

Biden 15.4

Steyer 11. 7 Yang 10.9

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/who-spoke-most-at-democratic-debate-december/

Thank you for this, TexasT!

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