"They're obviously not antisemitic protests" Jewish Yale University professor speaks out

[Fiendish Thingy]

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[oldsoftie]

1. Sometimes the useful idiots are INSIDE the house. nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

2. And sometimes they are found regurgitating misinformation on discussion forums.

Feel free to point out any false information or assertions made by the professor.

[drray23]

4. So people who dont agree with you are idiots ?

Noted. Very enlightening.

[Jim__]

3. Among Professor Stanley's books:

From wikipedia:

- Stanley, Jason (2015). How Propaganda Works. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-069116442-7.
- Stanley, Jason (2018). How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them. London: Penguin. ISBN 978-0-52551183-0.

[comradebillyboy]

5. At the University of New Mexico the pro-Palestinians went

to the Jewish Community Center to harass Jewish students and the kids in daycare there. But they say they were protesting the center because they were Zionists not because they were Jews. Nope, no antisemitism there.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. The video is about the protests at Yale, not New Mexico. Nt

[comradebillyboy]

10. I understand but I wanted to highlight what their friends

out here in the hinterland are doing. I get tired of all the excuses for the antisemitism of so many of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators. I get tired of being gaslighted by people telling me not to believe my lying eyes.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Whose friends?

No evidence that the protestors in New Mexico are friends of those at Yale.

You can talk about whatever you want to talk about, but you’re changing the subject from a truth you don’t want to examine to one you want everyone to focus on.

[Think. Again.]

6. Unfortunately...

...the professor is correct, the "stain" on Israel will last for generations to come. The stain has been made, the children IDF has killed are dead.

Which is a sad end to what was meant to be a glorious country founded on liberation.

[paleotn]

7. Appeal to authority

A common logical fallacy.

"A Yale professor! He must be right. And hey! He's Jewish to boot!" I've read a couple of his books and they are quite good, but in this respect he's wrong.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. What does he say that is false? Nt

[LauraInLA]

12. I found him very interesting.

A few thoughts/critiques/nit-picks:

I see quite a bit of media coverage about the ongoing war in Gaza — I don’t think it’s being downplayed. I also see articles about Jewish students feel unsafe, which I think is absolutely also newsworthy. I’ve seen people trying to compare these two “bad” situations, trying to respond that we should be concerned about Gaza because it’s far more serious that any problems Jewish students are having. I disagree and feel that both situations need attention.

I do think, as some Gazans who have been able to share their views, that the campus protests are now effectively making the story about themselves and are not serving the Palestinian cause.

I think he is wrong that there have been no attacks on individual Jewish students at campuses. He talks about Yale, but then he seems to extrapolate that to other campuses. His discussion about “ visible” Jews I found interesting — I haven’t read the Bret Steven’s (sp?) piece, but the Jewish students I’ve seen being confronted hardly all appeared Orthodox, as he seems to claim. Wearing a t-shirt with Hebrew on it seemed to be enough; sometimes I couldn’t see anything at all — perhaps they had said something. The horror!

The protest at Yale seems to have been handled productively with administration-student discussions. Their camp was taken down voluntarily. I’m not sure how much this prof has actually seen of the action on other campuses. I also wonder about the student/“tourist” ratio on various campuses and how that is affecting the protests.

I believe the “crackdown” on campuses that he describes is coming not only or mainly from instances of anti-semitism but as students become destructive of campus buildings and refuse to let other students access their education (with possible exceptions in places like Texas and Florida). I don’t agree with trespassing after a school has “closed”, physically blocking students from campus, or vandalizing buildings, walls, etc. I do think that if you feel your cause is righteous enough to make those actions worth it, you should be willing to face consequences.

I do agree that this is all going to incentivize and empower conservative donors to colleges, perhaps affecting campus employment.

[spike jones]

13. Are these protests mainly anti-war protests? I am not deeply current on them. The Viet war protests were characterize as

anti-American as were the Gulf War protests. Both were anti-war. The USA just happen to be making the war.

[oldsoftie]

14. No, its morphed into the "BDS" movement & destruction of Israel

They chant "From the river to the sea" and taunt Jewish students.

[msongs]

15. well it does get attention does it not. we chanted a buncha shit back in the day nt

[spike jones]

16. The main function of a street protest is to bring attention to an issue or cause.

Hey! Hey! LBJ how many kids did you kill today!

[oldsoftie]

18. "From the river to the sea" refers to the elimination of Israel

Its not just some chant that rhymes & sounds cool

[spike jones]

17. I need to get up-to-date on it. Have heard that many protesters are Jewish.

There are always several POV in any crowd of protesters. I recently went to a union rally on campus and there was a guy waving the old USSR flag.