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[mr_lebowski]

1. Hundreds of million$ have been spent worldwide, by corporations, foreign intel agencies

RW think tanks, and even our own CIA, going back many decades ... the technology and psyops methods to divide the Left have been steadily and scientifically investigated and perfected since the freaking 1930's, at least. That's why we never really have power. Even when a Clinton or Obama wins ... they never really enact any significant Liberal legislation. Just never actually happens.

Those techniques are going to be unleashed upon us in full force, through all possible avenues for 2020. Even by outlets we'd normally perceive as being on 'our side', like Vanity Fair. Cause they don't even realize they're being manipulated.

So be ready. Stand Strong, and don't fall for their bullshit, friends

[pnwmom]

4. You don't think Justice Democrats has been attacking Biden? n/t

[watoos]

27. Did you read the vanity fair article that the poster posted?

It is pure right wing propaganda. AOC won because she ran a terrific grass roots campaign, because she knocked on doors and talked to people. That's how AOC won, not because Justice Democrats support her.

Where did Bernie attack Joe? I didn't watch cable news, I only watch Nicolle and Rachel. I did catch a video of Elizabeth Warren bashing Joe, but the poster of this thread never mentioned her.

[backtoblue]

5. Exactly right

Psyops meant to divide us by stoking emotional responses.

"Some guy from somewhere who claims to be someone says this..."

Don't fall for the shit!

[betsuni]

13. "they never really enact any significant Liberal legislation."

Isn't that because both Clinton and Obama only had majorities in the legislature for two years (and in Obama's case that was only four months and ten days in the Senate, including assholes like Joe Lieberman, who ruined the ACA by refusing to vote for it with the public option). Gingrich started the full-on politics as war, we all know Republicans refused to let Obama get anything done. Do people even know how this works.

[watoos]

18. Well said, a voice of reason.

It is pretty sad when I see threads like this that urge people to run as Joe Lieberman Democrats. Give me 200 AOC's with her FDR Democratic agenda and we will beat any Republican out there.

[Demsrule86]

29. You leave out the part about how the left punishing Obama didn't go out in the midterm ...

2010 and helped us lose the house and state legislatures...a massive state gerrymandering was the result and Obama was shut down for the rest of his two terms, this is why we get nothing in terms of policy . And then the anti-Obama sentiment seen even on this website in 2014 resulted in losing the Senate and ultimately a SCOTUS nominee. Clinton too lost the house in 1994. And played on the GOP turf for the rest of his term. So if the policy doesn't suit the left left and often greens, they have only themselves to blame. They pride themselves on holding the party accountable never acknowledging the fact this causes us electoral losses over and over. And this conduct sabotages any meaningful progress on policy.

[mercuryblues]

39. I call it instant gratification

Don't you know in those few short months every liberal pipe dream was supposed to be enacted. It wasn't and therefore any one but a select few are "corporate Democrats."

It's past time when all candidates attack the republican agenda not the Democratic candidates.

[yardwork]

34. That's exactly what's happening again.

[Funtatlaguy]

3. The media has already set the narrative.

Many pundits saying that “there’s a war for the soul of the Democratic Party between the Sanders/Warren type far left Socialist wing and the Biden/Klobuchar type more moderate Establishment wing”.

They love to just throw stuff like that out there like it’s gospel.
No diving into the policies of the candidates.
No reference to how the GOP gave up all of its wings to a crazy con man.

The only way we lose in 2020 is to not fight back against this garbage.
Yes, the Dem tent is big and we have a wide range of views on many topics.
But, ALL, and I mean every last one of our candidates has more intelligence, empathy, humanity, and adherence to the rule of law and the Constitution than Donald Trump has in one small stubby finger.
All of them.

[Cha]

6. cenk's justice democrats are divisive & ugly..

Link to tweet

And, BS thumbed his nose at Democrats by his 3rd party, jill stein voter hires, for upper staff.

I want a real Democratic Candidate who will beat the Psycho in the GE.

[crazytown]

7. Justice Democrats are not Democrats at all

They are a alien insurgency interested only in hijacking the Party for raw Power.

[True Blue American]

8. Freedom Caucus

Of the left. They do not speak for me.

You can see what happened in 2018 when Democrats worked together.

I have been thinking about this. Republicans became the mean and evil party doing nothing but hate and destruction since the 1990’s. That has all come to a heading in Trump, McConnell, Boehner, Scalise, Jordan and others feeding the hate.

It is now imploding.

[Cha]

10. Excellent point about the 2018 Midterms,

TrueBlue! We need our moderates, too.

Flipping 45 Red Seats to BlueWave.. And, why we have Speaker Pelosi!

[watoos]

14. I wish Democrats had 200 AOC's,

bashing AOC is a right wing talking point. I really have my doubts, sorry, that you are an Elizabeth Warren supporter because her agenda is similar to Bernie's and AOC's. Why did Warren publicly attack Biden? Why conflate what Justice Democrats did with Bernie Sanders? Justice Democrats also support Elizabeth Warren.

We won a tsunami in 2018 because Democrats ran as FDR Democrats, we went back to our roots. People who say we need to run as 3rd Way Democrats in 2020 are giving the presidency to Trump. The millennial voters and younger than that voters will stay home. Funny isn't it how the youngest Democratic voters turn out for the 2 oldest Democratic candidates.

Facts are facts about candidates who cater to corporate America, just look at which candidates aren't taking corporate bribes. I see that mayor Pete just announced that he is stopping taking lobbyist money. I will vote for whoever our candidate is, enthusiastically, but I prefer a candidate who isn't taking corporate money.

[Demsrule86]

20. What Good would AOC do in Wisconsin. She won a deep blue state

and will be lucky to keep it after Amazon...there will be a primary in 20 most likely.

[watoos]

31. Another right wing talking point.

Too funny, AOC won despite the suspicion that establishment Dems suppressed the vote. I don't believe that but just saying. Crowley was a good man, AOC was just better and no one would be dumb enough to challenge her in a primary I would hope. AOC is a rare find, she is one of the few Democrats who has the ability to change the right wing narratives. Why in heaven would any Democrat want her primaried? Have you watched any of her Congressional hearings? Obviously not. She comes prepared and does a super job asking questions. Why would anyone want to primary her out? She is a breath of fresh air, she brings out the millennial and younger voters.

[Demsrule86]

35. The truth is the truth,. You may not like it. However AOC would be of no use in statewide

races in the rustbelt. The election comes down to stopping Trump in three states...Joe Biden can do this.

[Demsrule86]

21. I have heard this all before...these folks can't win but they can spoil. God help us

If we lose this one.

[watoos]

33. Didn't Biden lose in 2008?

I know, I voted for him because our union endorsed him.

[Demsrule86]

37. He became a great vice president who changed Obama's mind about gay marriage

among other accomplishments, This is not 2008...we are unlikely to win Florida or Ohio. Thus we must look where our opportunities lie and who can win the electoral college, I would add that Obama did not run as a far left candidate in the general even in 08. We win with a big tent and a presidential nominee who runs in the center.

[loves_da_dems]

43. Me too

She's morally correct on the issues. We need new progressive thinking. Climate change is the most important issue. Whoever she endorses, that's who I'm supporting.

[Cha]

9. ..

Exactly, crazytown

[eShirl]

12. Putin is in a good mood.

[thesquanderer]

15. Your bolded sentence makes no sense.

if half the base identify as moderate or conservative, how does that make Biden the base's best representative? After all, if half identify as moderate/conservative, that means that half identifiy as liberal. Why would we be best represented by someone who has the views of the moderate/conservative half, but not by someone who has the views of the liberal half?

[Demsrule86]

17. More than half...every seat flipped in the midterm was done so by a moderate. The

These folks have to win hearts and mnds before their candidates can be elected . This will backfire.

[watoos]

22. That's a right wing talking point.

Democrats won in 2018 because they went back to their roots and ran as FDR Democrats. Politics is local, so there were some areas where we need more moderate candidates, but the notion that we won in 2018 because we ran as Joe Lieberman Democrats doesn't compute with me.

[Demsrule86]

24. That is simply untrue.

Moderates flipped the house. You can wish this was a progressive awakening but it wasnt.
Hell I wish it was true.

[Demsrule86]

26. Joe lieberman is not a Democrat. And the only real electoral success we had was in 08 with a 50

State strategy. We must based on the electoral college and Congress have a big tent party...a national race will not be won on the left.

[loves_da_dems]

45. Maybe so

But, I'd rather run on the right policies i.e. The Green New Deal and lose, than run on the wrong policies and win.

[Demsrule86]

16. Same old scorched earth bullshit. Hope we can win when this is over

Biden needs to go after Sanders.

[watoos]

19. Biden needs to go after Trump.

Sanders needs to go after Trump. Get the point?

[Demsrule86]

23. Biden has to go after Sanders if he continues this shit.

He got a pass once,..no more.

[watoos]

36. What shit?

It was Elizabeth Warren who attacked Biden.

[Demsrule86]

40. They both have and he sent Flores...she worked for him in 16. I like Warren but she

Is now at the bottom of my list...and Sanders was never on my primary list.

Sanders launches attack on Biden over lobbyist fundraiser

https://www.ft.com/content/7dcd9164-67d0-11e9-9adc-98bf1d35a056

[Skya Rhen]

41. I am certain that Joe will distinguish himself from socialist Bernie, quite clearly...

[Demsrule86]

44. True...

[honest.abe]

25. I dont trust them.

If they actually cared about winning back the WH they wouldn't be trashing any of our candidates.. in particular the one who is likely to be our nominee.

[calguy]

28. I think for Bernie it becoming more about ego and less about country

[Demsrule86]

30. I do too.

He has never liked the Democratic Party.

[Soxfan58]

32. Then Sanders is no longer on my short list!

[Renew Deal]

38. Biden is overrated in 2020

Because the flaws that have cost him the other two presidential campaigns are still there. But he is no conservative even with his banking bill vote. I don’t see why he would be the representative of the “conservative” wing of the party. He might be the choice of the stability wing.

Biden should lose because he is a relic from the past being flaunted as the sure thing to beat Trump. People are afraid to lose. I think people need to focus on winning instead of not losing.

[Demsrule86]

42. No, he can win the states we need.