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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:50 AM Apr 2019

What Biden did so much better than what any of the other candidates did when they announced

is that Biden went straight for the throat of Donald Trump with his Charlottesville message when he announced his run for President this morning.

No talk about issues, no sidestepping Trump's name. He went straight for Trump's jugular.

I haven't been excited about Biden jumping in, but that message excited me.




If you haven't seen his video announcement yet, here it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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What Biden did so much better than what any of the other candidates did when they announced (Original Post) mtnsnake Apr 2019 OP
I agree. I was expecting him to go after Trump more effectively than anyone else could, but highplainsdem Apr 2019 #1
Me too, direct and to the point. He's there to beat trump. brush Apr 2019 #56
He told us clearly. Why he's running. It's the Country. WheelWalker Apr 2019 #103
The down side SLClarke Apr 2019 #64
Of course. God knows no one ever changes and grows over a lifetime. Hekate Apr 2019 #70
Thank you for bringing up these issues almost every time you post -- gateley Apr 2019 #74
Are you aware that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until 1996? mcar Apr 2019 #76
Did you sign up to DU today just to post negatives (that the media has beaten to death)? FailureToCommunicate Apr 2019 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author snort Apr 2019 #84
Kurt Eichenwald Researches Biden's Role in Anita Hill's Testimony, And We All Should Know It Cha Apr 2019 #87
"Wall Street agendas" - that's pretty vague. ehrnst Apr 2019 #92
Issues are secondary watoos Apr 2019 #2
Boy did he! No question there how he feels about White Supremacists! nolabear Apr 2019 #3
And he slowed down the footage and showed their hateful faces Politicub Apr 2019 #38
Yes! Biden is already running against Trump. MineralMan Apr 2019 #4
Yea, and bdamomma Apr 2019 #8
He was just good for all our people.. Peacetrain Apr 2019 #5
It's a powerful reminder and message themaguffin Apr 2019 #7
Gotta hand it to him... That was brilliant and effective. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #6
It was a call to battle to protect America's core principles! Hortensis Apr 2019 #9
Excellent framing, but if we are indeed in a battle for the soul of the nation & core principals Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #16
:) Framing shmaming. Here's Hillary's "How to respond." Hortensis Apr 2019 #35
We can't afford to just leave it to 2020. The Russians are already set up there calimary Apr 2019 #40
I love Biden .... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #10
As a middle-aged white guy, I feel your pain, as someone once said. better Apr 2019 #27
He's got the right spirit and general idea. DemocracyMouse Apr 2019 #33
I agree mvd Apr 2019 #63
Boy, I'll go for your line-up right now. Exactly how I'd like to see things. trickyguy Apr 2019 #80
I like all the potential candidates nvme Apr 2019 #67
Dems haven't nominated a white guy since 2004 DrToast Apr 2019 #31
I'm tired of people who malachi Apr 2019 #44
Zactly! Duppers Apr 2019 #49
Ikr? Diversity includes old white guys, too. n/t Beartracks Apr 2019 #71
Your age doesn't justify using ageism against Joe... there's plenty of substantive issues InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #51
I think he needs to re-establish our relationships with our allies, all of gateley Apr 2019 #75
The Truth Mme. Defarge Apr 2019 #11
Someone finally pointed out the White Elephant in the room! lunatica Apr 2019 #12
Exactly, lunatica.. Cha Apr 2019 #85
The background music was too loud, his message great and inspiring katmondoo Apr 2019 #13
While I remain undecided among our outstanding... NNadir Apr 2019 #14
Very effective for a campaign launch Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #15
Yes, he's old school Democrat, still a bit befuddled by Post-Reagan and Clintonian compromise... DemocracyMouse Apr 2019 #36
What we need is someone that can Butterflylady Apr 2019 #17
I'd probably vote for Biden if for no other reason to watch him start laughing at trump calimary Apr 2019 #42
Clinton ran on a "Trump is evil" platform. JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #18
Correct leftofcool Apr 2019 #20
Trump wasn't in office then. This is about Trump ...reelections always are. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #24
Trump was the opposing candidate. nt JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #29
Reelections are different. It is a vetting of the president. Does he deserve Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39
Trump is unlike any other candidate in American history. marylandblue Apr 2019 #81
I did not see what you did in this rollout. pazzyanne Apr 2019 #25
It's too bad that history and civics is no longer taught in our schools. JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #73
I hear people say that all the time kcr Apr 2019 #98
Thank you for that, pazzyanne! Cha Apr 2019 #99
So do I, Cha! pazzyanne Apr 2019 #100
As Tim Russet would say this election is about Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #26
Dotard had the "shake things up" vibe that people liked treestar Apr 2019 #60
The difference with Hillary is... BKDem Apr 2019 #72
No she didn't. Cha Apr 2019 #86
No she didn't. brer cat Apr 2019 #93
Mahalo, brer! Cha Apr 2019 #94
His message went straight to the core pazzyanne Apr 2019 #19
Me too. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #48
To paraphrase Joe: "This is a big effing deal." CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #21
It's a great start patphil Apr 2019 #22
Was excited too. I am so hopeful we will go have a man of great character in the Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23
We need to remember who we are and restore balance. Pisces Apr 2019 #28
This is the number one issue emmaverybo Apr 2019 #30
Yes. ancianita Apr 2019 #32
That was pretty good. Authentic. LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #34
My husband just asked, "What are you watching?" Politicub Apr 2019 #37
I love this. Sunsky Apr 2019 #41
Powerful, effective murielm99 Apr 2019 #43
k&r nt NYMinute Apr 2019 #45
That was beautiful. Doreen Apr 2019 #46
very good logo. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #47
Not strong enough Joe you've got to go to the mattresses with Don. MasonDreams Apr 2019 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Clarity2 Apr 2019 #52
K&R Scurrilous Apr 2019 #53
I know that I would sleep well at night with Joe at the helm. Dem2theMax Apr 2019 #54
He's good on the attack flamingdem Apr 2019 #55
.. Cha Apr 2019 #89
100% I'm not a fan of candidates saying they don't want to talk about the elephant in the room lunasun Apr 2019 #57
Because the white males in the media want one of them? robbedvoter Apr 2019 #58
Consider this: Joe has nothing to lose here. yellowdogintexas Apr 2019 #59
Considered! Cha Apr 2019 #90
Mahalo, mtnsnake! That's Cha Apr 2019 #61
Looking Beyond Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #62
That is a finely crafted message... druidity33 Apr 2019 #65
I am in! nvme Apr 2019 #66
Just for this ad I might send some money his way... kimbutgar Apr 2019 #68
Damn, that is righteous. Joe gave me goosebumps. Hekate Apr 2019 #69
OK- This San Franciscan loves Kamala- She's been my candidate- but I'm now switching to Joe. NBachers Apr 2019 #77
Omg! That was some roll out.. Cha Apr 2019 #88
OK that's it. Biden/Harris in 2020. trickyguy Apr 2019 #78
That's been my ticket choice for a while. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2019 #83
Alo-ha, FailureToCommunicate! Cha Apr 2019 #91
Your posts always seem to bring a smile... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2019 #95
Wow! Mahalo for that Cha Apr 2019 #96
Sounds Great.. Cha Apr 2019 #97
Wow! Powerful, to the point, a real reACTIONary Apr 2019 #79
Opinion: How Biden can rattle Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #101
Face the Danger. The Clear and Present Danger. WheelWalker Apr 2019 #102
 

highplainsdem

(49,128 posts)
1. I agree. I was expecting him to go after Trump more effectively than anyone else could, but
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:56 AM
Apr 2019

I was still shocked by how brilliant and effective his announcement was.

Wow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,978 posts)
56. Me too, direct and to the point. He's there to beat trump.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:06 PM
Apr 2019

And I believe he can. I still remember how he manhandled Ryan in the 2012 VP debate. He treated him like the juvenile he was.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WheelWalker

(8,958 posts)
103. He told us clearly. Why he's running. It's the Country.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:19 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SLClarke

(42 posts)
64. The down side
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:51 PM
Apr 2019

Biden is very iffy for me. For starters, there is his deep commitment to Wall Street - he has voted to support multiple Wall Street agendas. There is also his treatment of Anita Hill, which still rankles considering that we have Thomas instead. And you might want to go listen to his speech in 1993 regarding the Crime Bill that was up for a vote at the time. Quite an appalling speech. He will have to negotiate and explain that position. I would think that that speech, in itself, could destroy his chances with the Black Community.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(91,047 posts)
70. Of course. God knows no one ever changes and grows over a lifetime.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019

Do they?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gateley

(62,683 posts)
74. Thank you for bringing up these issues almost every time you post --
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:01 PM
Apr 2019

You sure have me questioning my support of Biden because I had NO IDEA that there were any of these problems. It's important you keep informing us of negatives of candidates we may, in our innocence, follow instead of telling us the positives of your choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(42,475 posts)
76. Are you aware that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until 1996?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:13 PM
Apr 2019

Should she have to negotiate and explain that position? I support her and understand that people grow and change.

Joe Biden made VAWA possible. He came out for same-sex marriage before Obama did. People learn. They change. Let's hold our candidates accountable for their actions but recognize that fact.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
82. Did you sign up to DU today just to post negatives (that the media has beaten to death)?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:34 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to SLClarke (Reply #64)

 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
87. Kurt Eichenwald Researches Biden's Role in Anita Hill's Testimony, And We All Should Know It
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:28 AM
Apr 2019
I will admit that I really don’t want Biden to run. I think his time has passed, and like a certain other old person running (and a couple of younger ones), their main traits are being white, male, and recognized. But I think it’s good for all of us to know the story of what happened with Anita Hill’s testimony and the part played by Biden. It’s not what I’ve heard, and I think it’s far better if we all know the real story.







More to the story..

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/24/1852950/-Kurt-Eichenwald-Researches-Biden-s-Role-in-Anita-Hill-s-Testimony-And-We-All-Should-Know-It?utm_campaign=trending

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
92. "Wall Street agendas" - that's pretty vague.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:42 AM
Apr 2019

What votes in particular are you talking about? I know you can produce them, because you're surely not trolling here with phrases dropped like they're going to be a red flag in front of all us progressive bulls.

You'll have no problems show us that you can back up your claims with some actual sources.

We'll wait.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. Issues are secondary
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:59 AM
Apr 2019

if we don't have a candidate who will stand toe to toe with Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

nolabear

(42,007 posts)
3. Boy did he! No question there how he feels about White Supremacists!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:03 AM
Apr 2019

He’s going to shove MAGA right up that orange ass.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
38. And he slowed down the footage and showed their hateful faces
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:15 AM
Apr 2019

He forces the viewer not to look away and reflect on how Trump represents hate.

I don’t know who produced this, but it was genius.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
4. Yes! Biden is already running against Trump.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:15 AM
Apr 2019

I think it was a very smart move. Anti-Trump is an important issue in this election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bdamomma

(63,974 posts)
8. Yea, and
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:27 AM
Apr 2019

POS tRump is already tweeting and calling him names, Sleepy Joe. What a vile POS. Sticks and stones...………..

I have always liked Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Peacetrain

(22,881 posts)
5. He was just good for all our people..
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:18 AM
Apr 2019

it was an awesome roll out.. where we stand as a party.. where all our people stand..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

themaguffin

(3,833 posts)
7. It's a powerful reminder and message
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:26 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,110 posts)
6. Gotta hand it to him... That was brilliant and effective.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:20 AM
Apr 2019

Love the logo animation too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. It was a call to battle to protect America's core principles!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:34 AM
Apr 2019

And a reminder to the nation of what they and we are.

Joe used Trump's name as shorthand for the enormous threats to us from the powers gathered against us on the right. What's happening is so much bigger than just Trump.

Here's what Joe said:

Charlottesville, Virginia is home to the author of one of the great documents in human history.

We know it by heart:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.


We’ve heard it so often, it’s almost a cliché. But it’s who we are. We also haven’t always lived up to these ideals — Thomas Jefferson himself didn’t.

But we have never before walked away from them.

Charlottesville is also home to a defining moment for this nation in the last few years. It was there, in August of 2017, that we saw Klansmen, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis come out into the open — their crazed faces illuminated by torches, veins bulging, bearing the fangs of racism. They chanted the same anti-Semitic and racist bile heard across Europe in the 1930s and 40s.

They were met by a courageous group of Americans, and a violent clash ensued. A brave young woman lost her life.

And that’s when we heard words from the President of the United States that stunned the world and shocked the conscience of our nation. He said there were some “very fine people on both sides.”

“Very fine people on both sides.”

With those words, the President of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it. And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had seen in my lifetime. I wrote at the time that we were in the battle for the soul of this nation. That is even more true today.

We are in a battle for the soul of this nation.

I believe history will look back on four years of this president — and all he embraces — as an aberrant moment in time. But if we give Donald Trump eight years in the White House he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. Who we are.

I cannot stand by and watch that happen.

The core values of this nation — our standing in the world, our very democracy and everything that has made us who we are — are at stake.

That’s why today I’m announcing my candidacy for President of the United States.

Folks, America is an idea. An idea that’s stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It gives hope to the most desperate people on earth. It guarantees everyone is treated with dignity. It gives hate no safe harbor.

And it instills in every single person in this country the belief that no matter where they start in life there’s nothing that you can’t achieve if you work at it.

That’s what we believe. And above all else — that’s what’s at stake in this election.

We can’t forget what happened in Charlottesville.

Even more important, we have to remember who we are.

This is America.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,715 posts)
16. Excellent framing, but if we are indeed in a battle for the soul of the nation & core principals
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

Then we certainly can't wait until 2020, Congress must open an impeachment inquiry now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. :) Framing shmaming. Here's Hillary's "How to respond."
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

I was so glad she's spoken up on this.

Hillary Clinton: Mueller documented a serious crime against all Americans. Here’s how to respond.

The debate about how to respond to Russia’s “sweeping and systematic” attack — and how to hold President Trump accountable for obstructing the investigation and possibly breaking the law — has been reduced to a false choice: immediate impeachment or nothing. History suggests there’s a better way to think about the choices ahead.

First, like in any time our nation is threatened, we have to remember that this is bigger than politics. What our country needs now is clear-eyed patriotism, not reflexive partisanship.
Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress share the constitutional responsibility to protect the country. ...

Second, Congress should hold substantive hearings that build on the Mueller report and fill in its gaps, not jump straight to an up-or-down vote on impeachment. ... Watergate offers a better precedent. Then, as now, there was an investigation that found evidence of corruption and a coverup. It was complemented by public hearings conducted by a Senate select committee, which insisted that executive privilege could not be used to shield criminal conduct and compelled White House aides to testify. The televised hearings added to the factual record and, crucially, helped the public understand the facts in a way that no dense legal report could. Similar hearings with Mueller, former White House counsel Donald McGahn and other key witnesses could do the same today.

During Watergate, the House Judiciary Committee also began a formal impeachment inquiry that was led by John Doar, a widely respected former Justice Department official and hero of the civil rights struggle. He was determined to run a process that the public and history would judge as fair and thorough, no matter the outcome. If today’s House proceeds to an impeachment inquiry, I hope it will find someone as distinguished and principled as Doar to lead it.

Third, Congress can’t forget that the issue today is not just the president’s possible obstruction of justice — it’s also our national security. After 9/11, Congress established an independent, bipartisan commission to recommend steps that would help guard against future attacks. We need a similar commission today to help protect our elections. This is necessary because the president of the United States has proved himself unwilling to defend our nation from a clear and present danger. ...

Fourth, while House Democrats pursue these efforts, they also should stay focused on the sensible agenda that voters demanded in the midterms, from protecting health care to investing in infrastructure. During Watergate, Congress passed major legislation such as the War Powers Act, the Endangered Species Act and the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1973. For today’s Democrats, it’s not only possible to move forward on multiple fronts at the same time, it’s essential. The House has already passed sweeping reforms that would strengthen voting rights and crack down on corruption, and now is the time for Democrats to keep their foot on the gas and put pressure on the do-nothing Senate. It’s critical to remind the American people that Democrats are in the solutions business and can walk and chew gum at the same time.

We have to get this right. The Mueller report isn’t just a reckoning about our recent history; it’s also a warning about the future. Unless checked, the Russians will interfere again in 2020, and possibly other adversaries, such as China or North Korea, will as well. This is an urgent threat. ... Our founders envisioned the danger we face today and designed a system to meet it. Now it’s up to us to prove the wisdom of our Constitution, the resilience of our democracy and the strength of our nation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-mueller-documented-a-serious-crime-against-all-americans-heres-how-to-respond/2019/04/24/1e8f7e16-66b7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a2bbd220fafc


Between Biden and Hillary stepping up to support our congressional leaders' decisions, a lot more people should be getting their heads on straight and pointed in the right direction.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calimary

(81,608 posts)
40. We can't afford to just leave it to 2020. The Russians are already set up there
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:28 AM
Apr 2019

to create more division and disruption.

Biden’s video is a good reminder of the damage the Kremlin’s favorite little orange puppet has wrought across our land.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
10. I love Biden ....
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019

... but as an old white guy, I'm also tired of old white guys....

But maybe Joe rights the ship for the next democratic president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

better

(884 posts)
27. As a middle-aged white guy, I feel your pain, as someone once said.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

But that said, he does set the example we so desperately need right now, especially from old white men.

That said, I'm also well past ready for a female president.
I could support Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren every bit as enthusiastically.
Both are very impressive.

But if it's going to be another white dude this time around, Biden has my vote. I like Mayor Pete and O'Rourke a lot as well, but I do think that we're in a moment where the experience and wisdom that Biden brings to the table will be very important.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
33. He's got the right spirit and general idea.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:58 AM
Apr 2019

But as for wisdom, he supported the Iraq war, one of the biggest blunders in recent history. He has blamed underpaid and stretched-thin teachers for our crumbling schools rather than addressing school and university under-funding (while enduring bureaucracy bloat which ate up teacher salaries and destroyed the arts/humanities curriculum).

He's got a good vibe, though, and more traditional Americans might simply go for the familarity and vibe factor. Kamala Harris should be his running mate and position her for a run 4 years later (use Biden as a corrective and Harris as the smarter replacement). THEN invite Warren in as a policy genius and give her 12 terms of leadership on the inside. Cory, Pete and Bernie would be great as cabinet posts as well... That West Coast guy, Jay Inslee who is spot on about fighting global warming should be head of the EPA...

But I'll vote for any Democrat and any combination of the current slate.

Just sayin'

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mvd

(65,187 posts)
63. I agree
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:50 PM
Apr 2019

His voting record isn't my favorite, and age is one reason I am undecided instead of going straight to Bernie again. It is nothing against old people. I just think 76, 77 could really be testing for the person. I prefer more than just nibbling at the edges of the system, so I am seriously considering Warren.

I will vote blue no matter who in the GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

trickyguy

(769 posts)
80. Boy, I'll go for your line-up right now. Exactly how I'd like to see things.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:16 PM
Apr 2019

POTUS Biden/VP Harris and Warren right in there fighting.
Cory, Pete and Bernie in the Cabinet. What a wonderful crew of human beings

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nvme

(860 posts)
67. I like all the potential candidates
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:16 PM
Apr 2019

I am excited to see democracy at work. I will support the nominee who ever she/he may be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
31. Dems haven't nominated a white guy since 2004
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:47 AM
Apr 2019

🤷🏻?♂️

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

malachi

(732 posts)
44. I'm tired of people who
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:53 AM
Apr 2019

are tired of old white guys. FFS, do you have any idea how bad that sounds?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Duppers

(28,134 posts)
49. Zactly!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:30 PM
Apr 2019

If they're rethugians, yes, but not all old white guys are! Take DUers here, for instance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Beartracks

(12,839 posts)
71. Ikr? Diversity includes old white guys, too. n/t
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:42 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,128 posts)
51. Your age doesn't justify using ageism against Joe... there's plenty of substantive issues
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:47 PM
Apr 2019

to disagree with him over. We should leave his advanced age out of the discussion!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

gateley

(62,683 posts)
75. I think he needs to re-establish our relationships with our allies, all of
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:04 PM
Apr 2019

whom he knows and respects (and the respect is mutual).

My fantasy for a minute was Joe at the helm, Pete as VP -- yeah, two white guys but one is gay, but don't think that'll fly.

I think they're both exceptionally good, special people (I actually think that of all the candidates -- just more about Pete and Joe)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mme. Defarge

(8,063 posts)
11. The Truth
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

will set us free!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. Someone finally pointed out the White Elephant in the room!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:56 AM
Apr 2019

We are fighting for the soul of our country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
85. Exactly, lunatica..
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:33 AM
Apr 2019

I think it was poignantly beautiful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
13. The background music was too loud, his message great and inspiring
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NNadir

(33,587 posts)
14. While I remain undecided among our outstanding...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:07 AM
Apr 2019

...field of candidates, Biden, despite his age, is close to my heart because of his experience of working closely with our last great President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fiendish Thingy

(15,715 posts)
15. Very effective for a campaign launch
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

But there will need to be much more substance on the issues and response to criticism of his record in order to secure the nomination.

Looking forward to the debates in June...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
36. Yes, he's old school Democrat, still a bit befuddled by Post-Reagan and Clintonian compromise...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:02 AM
Apr 2019

... with the super rich.

If he can "get" the general concept of an environmentally responsible infrastructure and job creation (the Green New Deal basically), and put more focus on foreign diplomacy than saber rattling, I could get behind him... (and if Kamala is his young running mate).

Otherwise I'm all for Warren with the chutzpah factor (and Bernie for inspiring everyone to follow the money, challenge the bloated rich, and not be afraid of Medicare for all).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Butterflylady

(3,557 posts)
17. What we need is someone that can
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

Not only stand up to the moron, but when the moron throws a punch be able to throw one back. I know issues are an important part of a campaign, but standing up for the country is a very important part also.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calimary

(81,608 posts)
42. I'd probably vote for Biden if for no other reason to watch him start laughing at trump
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:38 AM
Apr 2019

during one of many openings The Asset will inadvertently give to Biden on the debate stage. It was such a delicious got to watch him knock Sarah Palin down, chuckle by chuckle during that first Vice Presidential debate. That was so beautifully done! Exquisitely beautiful moments. Just put her in her place right where she belonged: a pathetic excuse for a complete idiot, but wrapped in nice-looking packaging - who was an embarrassingly poor choice to stand one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
18. Clinton ran on a "Trump is evil" platform.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

And Clinton lost. Negative campaigns work to a degree, but they ultimately do not win. We need to tell the people what we stand for, what we will do and how we will do it. We need to make that litany of positivy the basis of our message and to take that campaign to all fifty states.

Simply saying that we hate Trump will not win for us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
24. Trump wasn't in office then. This is about Trump ...reelections always are.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
29. Trump was the opposing candidate. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:41 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
39. Reelections are different. It is a vetting of the president. Does he deserve
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:23 AM
Apr 2019

another term? My answer is no. All this policy nitty gritty...fact is no one knows what will be possible. We must win the Senate and hold the house and go from there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
81. Trump is unlike any other candidate in American history.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:28 PM
Apr 2019

He is an authoritarian populist. He THRIVES on negativity. We can't beat him just by being against him.

The antidote to authoritarian populism is progressive populism. Popular and democratic ideas vs. negativity and ethnonationalism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
25. I did not see what you did in this rollout.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:26 AM
Apr 2019

I saw the most important stand that we as Democrats must take to right the American ship of state! If our country goes down to trumpism, we will have lost the country we love. Policies are important, but without defending our democratic republic, our policies will never see the light of day. I look forward to the primaries to see our strong Democratic candidates present themselves on the national stage.

PS. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. We need to work on increasing that number for our next Democratic candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
73. It's too bad that history and civics is no longer taught in our schools.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:50 PM
Apr 2019

The national popular vote is meaningless, because the nation is not governed by popular vote. This nation a federation of states and, while the states are governed by the people, the nation is governed by the states.

Laws are passed by a consensus of states - by a vote of representatives elected by the states in Congress. Treaties are ratified by a vote of Senators elected by the states in the Senate. Judges are confirmed by Senators elected by the states in the Senate. Amendments are first approved by representatives elected by the states in Congress and then ratified by state legislatures.

And, in a process entirely consistent with all of that, the president is elected by electors elected by the states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

kcr

(15,329 posts)
98. I hear people say that all the time
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 04:43 PM
Apr 2019

And every time I wonder the same thing. So, just what is it you think is taught now, in this mythical monolithic entity you imagine "our schools" to be? Macrame? Interpretive dance?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
99. Thank you for that, pazzyanne!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:25 PM
Apr 2019

I hate it when history is trying to be re-written.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
26. As Tim Russet would say this election is about Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:27 AM
Apr 2019

Joe can do Pennsylvania,

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
60. Dotard had the "shake things up" vibe that people liked
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:20 PM
Apr 2019

thinking someone with no previous political office would be a "breath of fresh air" and "drain the swamp." By now these voters have seen that this idea does not work. Dotard has traumatized us, made us look bad, and failed completely to understand the rule of law and the separation of powers. As Biden says, he is turning us into something we are not. This is completely different to the situation Hillary faced.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
72. The difference with Hillary is...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:46 PM
Apr 2019

...all of us now know she was right.

There's plenty of time for Joe to tell us what he stands for, how he will do it (and what he regrets), but there can't and shouldn't be any denying that Trump is the issue. He is not who Democrats or "real" Americans are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
86. No she didn't.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:46 AM
Apr 2019

We've had over 2 years of the anti-Christ in power now.. we've seen all the blood that's been spilled in his name, and the babies and children who have been torn from their parents' arms in his name.

Biden's roll out was inspiring.. reminding us of Charlottesville, and the stark difference between the Nazis, who trump favors, and patriots, who want our Democracy to survive, it was heart wrenching and brilliant

This is about the heart and soul of our country.. Biden tapped into that.. he has plenty of time to focus on the issues.. like in his campaign rally in Pittsburgh on Monday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brer cat

(24,664 posts)
93. No she didn't.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:47 AM
Apr 2019

Exactly! That's a great post, Cha.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
94. Mahalo, brer!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:52 AM
Apr 2019

It's surreal how some of these memes get started and take on a life of their own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
19. His message went straight to the core
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:16 AM
Apr 2019

of who I am and what I believe. I was crying by the time this message was half over. This is what true patriotism looks like!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
21. To paraphrase Joe: "This is a big effing deal."
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:18 AM
Apr 2019

See, Donny. Non-orange people can cuss too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

patphil

(6,259 posts)
22. It's a great start
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:21 AM
Apr 2019

Trump is a beast, and needs to be unmasked.
His base represents the basket full of deplorables that Hillary talked about.
Except, it isn't a basket...
It's a whole fleet of full size demolition dumpsters, stuffed full of White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and Klu Klux Klan.
There are no fine people on that side.
It's good that Biden spoke to this.

Patrick Phillips

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
23. Was excited too. I am so hopeful we will go have a man of great character in the
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:24 AM
Apr 2019

Whie house who knows how to govern .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pisces

(5,604 posts)
28. We need to remember who we are and restore balance.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
30. This is the number one issue
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:43 AM
Apr 2019

How we get to universal health care, what we do on so many fronts—educational, economic, social, and political—can only be predicated upon a return to the fundamental democratic values, America’s promise to its people and to the world, which Trump and GOP have trampled upon, most horrifically in response to Charlottesville. In days to come, we will argue many competing and significant policy positions, but “this,” this message should be the uniting and overarching callto arms. Every day Americans, despite partisanship, need to be reminded by all our democratic candidates that the fight is for the nation’s soul. We can’t predict the primaries, how Joe or any others, will fare in the long run. Notwithstanding the chance for any one issue to gain traction, Biden launches with the principal moral imperative that should guide this contest. I am impressed but not surprised. Go Joe!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LuvLoogie

(7,078 posts)
34. That was pretty good. Authentic.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:59 AM
Apr 2019

Biden/Harris

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
37. My husband just asked, "What are you watching?"
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

He saw me wiping away tears. Him using the Declaration as the start gripped me. He did not pull punches about Trump and reminded people of Trump’s “very fine people” while showing the faces of neonazis twisted in hate. I wept for Heather Heyer and out of anger about what damage Trump has done.

And then, he talks about how America is an idea. I fundamentally believe that. I hope we see more messages from Joe like this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
41. I love this.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:31 AM
Apr 2019

Biden understands the mood of the electorate. My neighbors must've heard me hooting and hollering this morning. Keep it up Joe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

murielm99

(30,788 posts)
43. Powerful, effective
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:46 AM
Apr 2019

announcement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
46. That was beautiful.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:55 AM
Apr 2019

So far he has been my first choice. However, as with any man who is running and may win the primaries I feel it vitally important that they have a woman as their running mate. I truly feel we need a man and a woman this time.

Love ya Biden, welcome to the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
50. Not strong enough Joe you've got to go to the mattresses with Don.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:31 PM
Apr 2019

You just cut him loose for the next 18 months! If there are no consequences for OBSTRUCTION guess what he will do? History will look back on FOUR YEARS?? We might BE history if we let him go FOUR YEARS. The next sentence says EIGHT YEARS?? He will declare himself supreme commander czar/king of planet earth before that. GO now, IMPEACH for emoluments only. That will get the tax returns. IMPEACH again for the campain finance violations. IMPEACH for just lying his ass off to the people of this country. Telling his goons to lie, and violate laws. IMPEACH until the stink of it chokes the gop senators. 67 VOTES that's around 20 from gop? YES WE CAN

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

 

Dem2theMax

(9,661 posts)
54. I know that I would sleep well at night with Joe at the helm.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:03 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

flamingdem

(39,342 posts)
55. He's good on the attack
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:05 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
89. ..
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:33 AM
Apr 2019

it's so Inspiring!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
57. 100% I'm not a fan of candidates saying they don't want to talk about the elephant in the room
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
Apr 2019

It’s large and looming
No what about or look at this corner over here
Say it! It’s in the room

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
58. Because the white males in the media want one of them?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:44 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
59. Consider this: Joe has nothing to lose here.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:32 PM
Apr 2019

He can cut loose, go after #45 like a good herding dog and pen him with all of his garbage.

Joe has no Fs left to give. He is going to be nipping at #45's ankles, wearing him down from now until our Convention.

Then if he is not the nominee, he will do it on behalf of the one who is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
90. Considered!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:36 AM
Apr 2019

trump came for our country.. and Biden and many more.. are saying NO WAY, Asshole!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
61. Mahalo, mtnsnake! That's
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:34 PM
Apr 2019

exactly how I felt.

Well said.. ".. straight for the jugular.."!

That's what this is about, the heart and soul of America .. how Biden is on issues will all come out.. starting Monday in Pittsburgh.

Reminding us what happened in Charlottesville was heart wrenching, but necessary to show the stark difference of trump and patriots who love America..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Roy Rolling

(6,947 posts)
62. Looking Beyond
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:37 PM
Apr 2019

Joe Biden is looking out for others, not himself. He sees his role as an elder statesman who can beat Trump at anything. So for his candidacy, for all Democrats, and all Americans his is taking on Trump.

Whether he gets the nomination or not, the constant barrage of "body blows" he delivers will wear Trump down. That's what Joe's good at, that's what he's doing. Being Joe. 😁

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

druidity33

(6,452 posts)
65. That is a finely crafted message...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:58 PM
Apr 2019

but it really is just a mish mosh of cliches and heart tuggers. It's also a slightly disingenuous use of the "I am a warrior against White Supremacy" canard... he is after all, an older white man of privilege. He obviously has very good media people working for him. I think the soundtrack is a subliminal art...

Disclosure: I am a Warren supporter. I think Biden would be a fine President but he's not in my top tier... for reasons. I don't think my impression of this announcement is affected unduly by my lack of enthusiasm for him as a candidate.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nvme

(860 posts)
66. I am in!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:12 PM
Apr 2019

Just signed up to help his campaign and I wish all the other candidates and their supporters the best of luck for the upcoming primary seasons.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kimbutgar

(21,285 posts)
68. Just for this ad I might send some money his way...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:22 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(91,047 posts)
69. Damn, that is righteous. Joe gave me goosebumps.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019

Nicolle Wallace played a good chunk of that at the beginning of her program today, and my thought was (and is) that we NEED to hear that message.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NBachers

(17,192 posts)
77. OK- This San Franciscan loves Kamala- She's been my candidate- but I'm now switching to Joe.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:09 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
88. Omg! That was some roll out..
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:31 AM
Apr 2019

Biden made for us, tho!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

trickyguy

(769 posts)
78. OK that's it. Biden/Harris in 2020.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:58 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
83. That's been my ticket choice for a while.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:38 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
91. Alo-ha, FailureToCommunicate!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:37 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
95. Your posts always seem to bring a smile...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:36 AM
Apr 2019

and remind me of..."ohana".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
96. Wow! Mahalo for that
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:52 AM
Apr 2019

Vid, 'He Mele No Lilo' -

The voices and lyrics were mesmerizing and beautiful!



And the kind words, alohahoa.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(298,087 posts)
97. Sounds Great..
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:57 PM
Apr 2019

we have such a long and winding road to go, tho.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

reACTIONary

(5,797 posts)
79. Wow! Powerful, to the point, a real
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:13 PM
Apr 2019

... round house punch.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,977 posts)
101. Opinion: How Biden can rattle Trump
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:17 PM
Apr 2019



Voters who watch Biden’s announcement could picture Biden turning to Trump and scolding him that there aren’t “very fine people” on the neo-Nazi side or going after him for lying about a super-duper health-care plan and falsely promising that plants in Ohio wouldn’t close and that a trade war would be easy to win. The mix of disdain and disgust that Biden evidences when talking about Trump not only channels what Democratic voters are feeling but also serves as a coming-attractions reel for the general election.

One can imagine Biden needling Trump before the primaries even begin. “He complimented Kim Jong Un, and even reportedly told a U.S. envoy to agree to pay a $2 million bill from North Korea for “medical care” of American Otto Warmbier?! How weak, how pathetic is that?” or “Trump ripped little kids at the border from the arms of their mothers. How dare he!”

By putting Trump on defense, showing Democratic primary voters just how scrappy he is, using his foreign-policy credentials and displaying the empathy and decency that he is well-known for, Biden might provoke Trump and thereby make himself the de facto Democratic pugilist against Trump. If by some miracle Trump restrains himself, Biden will nevertheless show that he can land body blows and make it that much harder for Republicans to defend the president.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WheelWalker

(8,958 posts)
102. Face the Danger. The Clear and Present Danger.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:18 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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