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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:10 PM

 

Bernie has a rough time at She the People conference







Bernie Sanders was asked by a woman of color in the audience what he would do about the rise of white supremacist violence as President.

Instead he started talking about minimum wage and Medicare For All.

The audience claps when the moderator clocks him.


After getting called out for dodging specific questions about minorities, Bernie reminds the audience he "marched with MLK".

Audible groans/boos.

He wags his finger at them.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:11 PM

1. omg. Thanks, LonePirate!

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:13 PM

2. Sanders was one of 250,000 people AT the March on Washington. He may have marched but....

 

....he most certainly didn't march "with" MLK. He was one of many in this crowd:

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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:45 PM

21. I think he wants people to think he was at Selma.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Response to we can do it (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:08 PM

45. He was.

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:19 PM

61. 😂

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

148. .....

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:34 PM

162. ;)

 

Perfect.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:51 PM

165. LOL

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:58 AM

180. ...

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Kamala Harris

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:08 AM

182. Oh no you didn't!

 




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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:22 AM

197. !!!!!

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:16 PM

237. Damn...LOL

 

it's pitch black in here from all the shade the you just threw! ?
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:20 PM

274. BOOM!

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 03:22 PM

289. Brilliant pic!

 

Of Hillary!

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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:01 PM

35. As was Mitch McConnell fwiw

 

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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:05 PM

42. Selma is not included in histories of Sanders' early political career

 

Perhaps most important is that Sanders himself has not discussed participating in a 1965 march led by Dr. King. In June 2015 Sanders penned piece entitled “Youth Unemployment and Dr. King’s Dream” in which he confirms that he attended the 1963 “I Have a Dream” speech in Washington. In this essay, which spans nearly 800 words, Sanders does not mention Selma at all.

Biographies which focus on Sanders’ life in the 1960s note that he moved to Vermont immediately after graduating from college in June 1964. He and his wife much of the next two years traveling Europe before their divorce in 1966. These biographies do not mention a trip to Alabama in 1965.

Notable early events in Sanders’ political career include his arrest during a demonstration against segregation in Chicago’s public schools in 1963, and a civil rights sit-in at the University of Chicago in 1962. Once again, a 1965 march in Selma is not included in histories of Sanders’ early political career.

In March 2015, Sanders announced that he would attend the 50th anniversary of the Selma march – and did not mention that he had attended the original event himself. At the event, his speech also failed to mention that he was there at the historic march.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-mlk-selma-march/
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Response to sfwriter (Reply #157)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:54 PM

167. Well, he was down in Selma in March. Here he is schmoozing with the other attendees:

 

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Response to George II (Reply #167)

Wed May 1, 2019, 05:47 PM

295. ..

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:16 PM

3. It wasn't pretty, at all.

 


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Response to spicysista (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:26 PM

10. Good to know, spicysista.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:35 PM

13. Cha, it was really uncomfortable to watch.

 

His interview starts at the 2:16:24 mark.



On the plus side, everyone else was great!
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Response to spicysista (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:47 PM

22. "He kept talking about being against racism. Wouldn't call out White Terrorism"

 



It sounds awful.. What the Heck.

Mahalo for the Vid, spicysista

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:55 PM

26. Can't take credit for the video.

 

A fellow DUer, Indygram, posted the live feed of the event.
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Response to spicysista (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:19 PM

62. As he said, in 2016, he doesn't do identity politics. I need

 

the people who represent me to understand and deal with identity politics; to paraphrase MLK, justice can't wait. And MLK who represents my civil rights values, he was a powerful advocate for identity politics. Maybe BS should read MLK letters from Birmingham Jail.
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Response to spicysista (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:40 PM

81. Thanks for posting the whole video

 

I was sorry to have missed it. Now I've bookmarked it to watch.
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Response to steventh (Reply #81)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:52 PM

93. Most of the candidates were great!

 

It went by really quickly. The audience had a fantastic energy.
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Response to spicysista (Reply #93)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:02 PM

99. Good to know. That's what I would expect of them.

 

We have so many really excellent candidates to choose from. I'm looking forward to hearing what they had to say at She the People. Joy Reid just said she would show highlights of the candidates during the next (8 pm) hour on MSNBC.
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Response to spicysista (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:42 PM

19. I love that GIF. I may need to use it in the future.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:10 PM

49. Lol! I only bring it out when the level of "smh"...

 

Has reached epic levels!
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:18 PM

4. Bernie is a one trick pony

 

He only has a single answer for everything.
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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:29 PM

253. That is very true

 

And always delivered with a scowl and pointing finger. Does not inspire me.
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Beto O'Rourke

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Response to zeusdogmom (Reply #253)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:54 PM

268. That damn wagging finger.

 

Put it AWAY, Bernie!
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:18 PM

5. I watched it live. It was cringeworthy

 

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:49 PM

24. :(

 


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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:22 PM

6. Did they ask the others the same question? And how did they answer?

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Bernie Sanders

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:25 PM

9. Your point?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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Response to tymorial (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:38 PM

15. I like to see candidates asked equally challenging questions.

 

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:57 PM

31. It was not a challenging question.

 

It was a softball really.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:15 PM

55. I think any 5th grader could have answered

 

that question cogently.

If he was not so anxious to cram all his talking points into every reply, he would have at least come across as attentive and intelligent.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:38 PM

75. Seriously.

 

This sort of question might be tough for a Republikkkan, but even a man who abhors "identity politics" like Bernie should have no problem answering it.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:47 PM

89. Yep

 

Not challenging at all.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:15 PM

56. You're got to be kidding. What is so especially challenging about that question?

 

He's supposed to have at least some kind of ideas about major problems we have, and the rise of violent white supremacy is a major problem.

And it's not going to be solved by a higher minimum wage or Medicare for all.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:36 PM

72. A gotcha question----either way he would answer would cause an uproar. Why didn't they corner anyone

 

else like that. I didn't see the program, that's why I was asking whether anyone else got that question.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:43 PM

84. How is that a gotcha question?

 

Bernie can't condemn white supremacy now? Is he afraid of alienating his "Bros"?
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:47 PM

88. how so?

 

how hard would it be to say i will restore the offices that were tasked to follow up on this issue and instruct the justice department to gather intelligence and act on it and encourage congress to hold hearings and make laws to address it? trump has let them run wild and encouraged them and their violence.

it was as if the question was not even asked. like bernie wasn't listening. he should learn to listen.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:41 PM

112. But the issue is he didn't even approach answering the question, a lawyer would call him out....

 

....as being non-responsive.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

154. !!!

 

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:32 PM

172. They did

 

They asked Beto flat out why a black woman should vote for him.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:38 AM

199. Doit, that was a slow, easy pitch he

 

should have knocked over the back fence. He came to sell himself to an audience of women who were predominately black for goodness sake.

The only way they could’ve made it easier would have been to set the ball on a batting tee for him peewee baseball style.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:23 AM

202. "Gotcha" question? At a conference of women of color? Really? Why would they 'gotcha' him?

 

That's reaching bending over pretty far backwards to defend his lack of preparation on a basic issue concerning people of color...



But here's the video with all the candidates' session in the forum:



Let us know if the others thought it was a 'gotcha' question.

He did the same thing at Univision question and answer. Refused to answer questions on Latin America.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=87465
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #72)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:07 AM

299. Oh Please! "..a gotcha question.."?! BS

 

could have actually answered the question and none of the following would have happened.

Easy.. but he didn't do it.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:39 PM

111. Especially when asked of a civil rights icon.

 

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Wed May 15, 2019, 02:31 AM

306. ..

 

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:51 PM

92. Challenging? What was challenging about it? nt

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:50 PM

120. Challenging?

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:57 AM

179. it's about as challenging as being asked about the water crisis during a debate in Flint

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #179)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:15 AM

183. Exactly.

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:19 AM

184. ChAlLeNgInG QuEsTiOn???

 

For a 5 year old maybe.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:44 AM

200. 'Challenging' questions like "What would you do about White power groups?"

 

That should be not be in the least bit 'challenging' for a POTUS CANDIDATE who claims the mantle of longtime civil rights activist.

And if you don't know the questions that the other candidates were asked, you can find the answer yourself right here:



Let us know which questions were asked of Bernie that were not asked of other candidates.

"I marched with MLK" is an answer my mother and father could have given. It's a politician's non-answer, and the audience let him know it.

Off the top of my head, I myself could have said:

1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully.

2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential “domestic terrorist,” even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorism—often reserved for Muslims—to other perpetrators without new laws.

2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.

If I could come up with that, why couldn't his staff? Did he really think that he could just dismiss preparation on the topic of organized violence against people of color, that he HAD TO KNOW would be brought up, by planning instead to just turn on auto pilot talking points about DACA and health care policy?

This wasn't a town hall where questions would be submitted and approved beforehand. It appears that he doesn't have the ability to listen or access information on topics that he's not interested in or versed on when asked.

I think about how Hillary would have first smiled, thanked the audience member for giving her the opportunity to discuss this important issue, talked about the extent of the problem of expanding white nationalism, the damage that it has caused, and then listed her solutions. She was often called "over prepared" but you knew that she would have respected this audience enough to have done some damn homework on this. She cares about the issue.




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Response to ehrnst (Reply #200)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:02 AM

207. I wish I could rec this reply.

 

+1000, and you are so right about Secretary Clinton. The way she approached questions is a huge reason for the enthusiasm she engendered in her audiences.

In fact, those who did best at this event were those who saw it as an opportunity to talk about the issues raised by this bedrock group in the Democratic party. If a candidate hasn't realized that Black women are THE group you need to win to win the Democratic Party primary, I have to question whether the candidate knows the party at all. 'Vote blue, no matter who' should be replaced with 'Vote like a Black woman', because they were the group that most clearly rejected Trump and all third party candidates; 94% of them voted for the Democratic nominee in the last GE.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:12 AM

212. There are some white men on this thread who are very put out that Bernie was expected

 

to know about and be informed on the issues that women of color are interested in.

At a conference for women of color.

Therefore questions on those issues were "gotcha" questions, or "exceptionally challenging."

And they have the nerve to come white bro-splain to us how Bernie is being unfairly criticized for not knowing things that they themselved don't know, so those things can't possibly be relevant or important.

Privilege has its privileges.

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Wed May 1, 2019, 12:22 AM

294. Wow, Thank You, ehrnst! Exellent

 

replies for a Dem potus candidate.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:09 AM

211. Since you weren't interested in the conference to begin with, that's pretty interesting you ask now.

 

But here you go.



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Response to tymorial (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:48 PM

23. It wasn't that hard of a question.

 

He has same answers for every question.
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Response to Doitnow (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:44 PM

20. You can watch the whole event here.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:50 PM

25. Mahalo, lapucelle..

 



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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:00 PM

32. Tone

 

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Deaf.


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:04 PM

40. Absolutely.. those giving him a pass aren't

 

doing him any favors, she..

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:18 PM

60. She The People

 




This is the first Presidential Forum for Women of Color that is for us, by us. Today we make history in Houston, Texas!

..........................

Fact is he dropped the ball.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:36 PM

73. Ohhh Mahalo for that Tweet from

 

LaTosha Brown going to SheThePeople, she! History is being made!

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Response to Cha (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:40 PM

79. I have an OP here, Cha.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128786969

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:20 PM

105. Yes, I saw it..

 

Brilliant!
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

155. Thank you for posting that OP

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:26 PM

159. Hey you!

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:28 PM

160. ...

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:25 AM

203. !!!!

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:27 AM

204. ...

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:38 AM

205. ...

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #205)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:04 AM

225. Yep.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:45 PM

86. Waaaall Street

 

Esshhtablishment.

Those two words answer a lot of questions for him, too.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:06 PM

100. Ummhmmm.

 

IKR?
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:51 PM

121. That was painful

 

You'd think his staff would have prepped him for such a question.
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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:02 PM

37. BS is talking about other stuff too.

 

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/128786591#post18
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:21 PM

63. Yeah yeah.. Well, he missed an opportunity to

 

talk directly about the question he was asked at that point in time.


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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:49 PM

91. thank you, i will.

 

seems worthwhile.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:53 PM

95. "I'll take Whataboutism for $300, Alex"

 


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Response to Tarc (Reply #95)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

147. This American icon won the 2020 Presidential election despite being subjected to

 

unprecedented bashing in the Democratic primary, as compared to other candidates whom no one criticized about what they said or did under the same standards.

Who is Bernie Sanders?

Correct!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:05 PM

149. "Bernie & Elizabeth 2020"

 

Old, and white. No thanks.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

152. Ohhh noooo, sorry.... wrong answer, and not in the form of a question. Anyone else want to buzz in?

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:57 PM

169. You stick your geriatric ticket, bruh

 

Most of the rest of us will look to more diverse offerings.


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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:03 AM

208. Desperate, frantic attempt to deflect from the very damaging OP #2

 



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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:03 AM

209. Desperate, frantic attempt to deflect from the very damaging OP #3

 



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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:32 PM

161. I like Bernie, but when I hear the words "American Icon" I generally think Muhammad Ali, Elvis

 

James Dean, Michael Jordan. Of course YMMV
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:06 AM

210. Oh NOES!! Somebody pointed out something about Bernie that isn't good...

 

Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Quick, derail the discussion with a nonsensical post!

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Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:52 PM

276. Nope, hillary won.

 

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:42 PM

113. Usually at a forum like that with questions from the audience, it's free-form....

 

....with no predetermined set of questions, each to be asked of each person on stage.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:11 PM

251. Looks like Bernie is getting some negative press in the MSM for the first time in history.

 


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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:24 PM

7. I applaud the fact that he was a part of the men and women who marched in 1963

 

That being said using this experience to deflect questions regarding our current socio-cultural issues regarding race is a weak response. The march was 57 years ago and while it remains an extremely important part of our history regarding civil rights, stating he marched does little to explain how he intends to address systemic racism and inequality.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:41 PM

17. it's as if...

 

his response to "Blacks Lives Matter" is "All Lives Matter"

Sanders needs to get back to his day job
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Response to handmade34 (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:56 PM

29. Naming post offices? nt

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:01 PM

36. I love

 

Bernie's idea of Post Offices and Banks... that being said, he is one of my Senators and I would just as soon that he stay in that job...
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Response to handmade34 (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:48 AM

222. Someone described it as his "Some of my best friends are black!" moment. (nt)

 

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Response to tymorial (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:07 PM

44. If he was there, he would have been moved

 

by the oratory of MLK Jr. and had an enlightened heart. I think it was just a photo-op because shortly thereafter, he left diverse Brooklyn for lily white Vermont and stayed there.
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Response to tymorial (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:09 PM

47. It could be that his age is causing him to be a few beats behind.

 

Heck, I’m in my 60s and sometimes have to search my brain for answers I would have given much more promptly 5years ago.

When you add the pace of a campaign trail.....well....I know I couldn’t do it.
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Response to blm (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:18 PM

59. Then he is not up for the job.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:34 PM

109. I'm also looking to support a candidate with the stamina, alertness and demeanor to be...

 

I'm also looking to support a candidate with the stamina, alertness and demeanor to be the leader of the free world. There's a delicate BALANCE of traits that are important to me. It's not enough to simply be able to point out problems... anyone can do that... I want someone who can articulate their understanding of the problem, how it came to be, what its real-world impacts are, and what a REAL WORLD solution would be... including how it gets passed, and how it's paid for.

For me, BS just misses the mark on all of those counts. I'll be supporting someone else.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #109)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:43 PM

114. I'm a REAL ANSWER person, too. I look to the heavy lifters.

 

The workhorses. You can tell who did the homework necessary.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #109)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:02 AM

224. +1000. Empathy, listening, the ability to recall facts quickly,

 

not to mention basic interpersonal skills are not optional.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #224)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:09 AM

229. Any candidate who lacks those qualities will not receive my support....

 

Any candidate who lacks those qualities will not receive my support, no matter how popular he (or she) is, and no matter how many people are under the impression that it's "his turn" (or "her turn".

There are no "turns" ... my vote must be earned. My vote goes to the DEMOCRAT who can best lead and heal our once-great nation.
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Response to tymorial (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:12 PM

53. Especially since he headed off to the white, white rural VT countryside in '64

 

leaving all that noisy activism in the racially diverse cities far behind.

He took a trip to Europe during the height of the Vietnam war protests, so he missed that, too.

I think that he hasn't really had to deal with these issues in Vermont. That's how he got elected and re-elected, because the people didn't particularly have an interest in issues that affect diverse areas.

And even last December, he still really wasn't getting the message.

'We Find Ourselves Excluded': Racial Justice Leaders Ask Bernie Sanders 'To Get With The Program'

https://www.vpr.org/post/we-find-ourselves-excluded-racial-justice-leaders-ask-bernie-sanders-get-program
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:11 PM

134. I think it is more than that

 

He didn't return to New York City where he could had continued his activism. Pretty sure there are problems related to racism and the poor there.

I'm not sure he has done much since the March other than maybe talk.
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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #134)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:21 AM

196. He certainly wasn't interested in putting himself where the movement needed people. (nt)

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:24 PM

8. i have eyes and ears.

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 08:04 PM

285. Yeah?

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #285)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 08:54 PM

286. mine are more unfiltered than most ppl. the video doesn't reflect the comments.

 

and why end the video there b4 he answered the follow up?
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:28 PM

11. I think the answer was fine.

 

He answered it, then rambling as usual, he morphed into other things about helping with income and health care (it's harder to exert power over people who aren't poor, I suppose, is the implication).

But he broadly answered it.

I don't know of anything specifically you can do to alter people's thinking, except to make it clear what's acceptable in our society and what our country stands for.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:41 PM

16. +1

 

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:57 PM

30. I thought it was a fair answer

 

What I understood was he would fight all kinds of discrimination.
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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:13 AM

230. So why do you think the crowd felt that it wasn't a relevant answer to the question asked? (nt)

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #230)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:14 PM

239. Reasonable people have differences of opinion.

 

They wanted to hear something certain, I guess. What that was, I don't know.

I thought the answer was fine. I didn't have any expectations of the answer, and I don't think that there is anything in particular a person can do to change the mind of someone else. You lead by example and by encouraging certain behavior, as we have seen in triplicate from Trump. So Sanders explained how he'd appeal to everyone, which speaks particularly to disadvantaged people but also to others. That encourages unity. That's the way to do it, he seems to suggest.

I'm not a Sanders supporter. But I thought the answer was real, and was fine.
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #239)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:27 PM

240. "They wanted to hear something certain, I guess"

 

Yes, they wanted to hear an answer to what he would DO about growing violence from White supremacist groups, and not a brush off, from someone who didn't want to talk about it, or couldn't.

His answer was "real" but it wasn't an answer to the question being asked.

One basic, easy, no brainer answer would have been. "I will restore and fully fund the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism unit that Trump disbanded."

That's a bit more concrete than "leading by example" don't you think?

Why do you think that he couldn't have even said that? He clearly either didn't want to answer the question or couldn't, so he rambled on about something that did not address white supremacy and their growing violence at all.

He failed to answer the question, and clearly hadn't done even a small bit of research on a topic that anyone could predict would be asked about.

Blaming the crowd for informing him that he had not answered the question doesn't show much respect for the audience.



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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:30 PM

242. And I and others think he DID answer it. Reasonable people can differ on opinions. nt

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:39 PM

243. Those who were not in the audience don't have the credibility of the audience

 

that Sanders was there to communicate with.

The fact that some white Sanders supporters deemed them wrong, that his non-answer as 'fine,' and insinuated that the judgement of the women of color who were there were somehow "less" or "as" reasonable as judgement of white Sanders supporters as to whether their question was answered is telling.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/02/how-people-whitesplain-racism/

Why do you think that Sanders couldn't even give that one answer I was able to think of off the top of my head? Do you think that Sanders didn't even know that Trump had disbanded the DHS Domestic Terrorism Unit? Do you think he forgot?

He had a chance to show that he cared even just enough about White Supremacy to talk about the banishing of that group, which is the main investigative unit that finds and arrests violent white supremacists before they can kill again.

Why do you think he failed to do so?




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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:12 PM

246. No answer to my question? (nt)

 

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:02 PM

38. He is like a salesman and he has to get all his talking points out

 

in every question - single payer, minimum wage, income inequality and rant against rich people.

This turns off a person who is asking a specific question and the audience as well.

If you go to a car dealership and ask "how much mileage do you get on this car?" and the salesman answers, "it gives great mileage but look at the sleek interior, rack and pinion steering, double wishbone suspension, antilock breaking system, Dolby stereo system, rear seat video and Bluetooth connectivity."

Yeah -- he answered the question "broadly" alright.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:13 PM

54. Exactly this

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:08 PM

150. Yeah, some of us don't want

 

talking points when BS is asked a specific question, especially about White Nationalists, at the #SheThePeople Historic Event! Hello!


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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:46 PM

87. Used Car Salesman, Hmmm

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:19 AM

201. THAT... is an excellent analogy.

 

It's a clear indicator of someone who has a very LIMITED set of skills and cannot see (or understand) the intricacies of other issues and how they effect the lives of others. It's a very narrowly focused world-view. As a nation, we need better than that. We CAN most certainly do better than that.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:40 AM

235. Like those people at state fairs who are demonstrating an item and talk on a loop. (nt)

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:55 AM

223. No, he didn't answer it. The audience made that clear.

 

I don't know of anything specifically you can do to alter people's thinking, except to make it clear what's acceptable in our society and what our country stands for.


Just because neither you nor Bernie doesn't know about an issue, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. That's privilege, defined.

There are many things specifically that can be done to address white power domestic terrorism, other than platitudes about how "everyone needs to be equal," and "I marched with MLK." My parents can say both those things, but they're not presidential material.

Here are some examples:

1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully.

2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential “domestic terrorist,” even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorism—often reserved for Muslims—to other perpetrators without new laws.

2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.

If I could come up with that, why couldn't his staff? Did he really think that he could just dismiss preparation on the topic of organized violence against people of color, that he HAD TO KNOW would be brought up, by planning instead to just turn on auto pilot talking points about DACA and health care policy?

This wasn't a town hall where questions would be submitted and approved beforehand. It appears that he doesn't have the ability to listen or access information on topics that he's not interested in or versed on when asked. Does he not listen to the WOC he has very publicly touted that he hire to be on his staff? They should have been briefing him on speaking to a group of WOC. Did they, and did he just not remember anything they told him?





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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:29 PM

12. Yikes!

 

Maybe he didn't finish his thought. Maybe he meant to say that we are going to pay for Medicare for All by confiscating all of the wages and assets of white supremacists. Because I could get behind that.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:38 PM

14. I can be very harsh on Sanders, but I do not find great fault here and that Tweeter seems a troll

 

this




is pure rubbish

I love Pete but I do not need some jackass suggesting violence

yet another example of anonymous mass social media coarsening US political dialogue

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:06 PM

43. Not sure about Chris Evans myself. He blocked me on Twitter. No idea why.

 


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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:41 PM

18. Bernie has a one track mind. That spiel he just gave is pretty much his answer to

 

any question.
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:05 PM

41. +1,000,000! He had similar responses in 2016.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:43 PM

83. Yes it is. Classical Marxism is all he's got and it is not enough. Increased minimum wage still ...

 

...leaves behind every damn person who cannot get a job with a future due to racism and misogyny.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:25 AM

185. It's like Biden said of Giuliani, 'everything with Rudy is a noun, a verb and 911". I think the....

 

same principle applies to Sanders.
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:44 AM

220. Auto pilot. He doesn't seem to have an ability to call up newly acquired information quickly,

 

even if he was briefed on it.

Clearly the women of color he has so publicly proclaimed are on his staff either didn't want to brief him on these issues, or he doesn't listen to them.

Perhaps they briefed him and he doesn't remember things well when he gets angry or frustrated.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:55 PM

27. I belive Bernie is on the right side of the issue but

 

he just doesn't have an answer to that and many other basic questions. He just isn't prepared and that is imho his greatest flaw.

I've seen him stumble on questions about civil rights, abortion, and the minimum wage, and now this. These are basic questions for us on the left and we should expect or leaders to have a thought out response to those questions.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:11 PM

52. 👍🏼

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 06:56 PM

28. Great post !!

 

Thank heavens no one brought up essays.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:10 PM

50. I know right???? nt

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:01 PM

33. Wow. Bernie just said at #SheThePeople2020 to audience of women of color that he was

 



Doesn't sound like the audience at SheThePeople were that impressed.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:11 PM

51. +1. He also attended the signing of the Declaration of Independence

 

and afterward had a beer with Samuel Adams
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:18 PM

58. 😂👍🏽

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:24 PM

66. And, we're suppose to

 

be impressed?! lol
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #51)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:04 PM

128. LOL!!

 

Okay. That made me laugh.

I think one of the problems Sanders has in his 2020 run is he sounds exactly the way he did in 2016--same vague answers and/or talking around the questions. It's not as if the Senator from Vermont hasn't had time to prepare for a second go-around. But really, not to be able to answer something as obvious as white nationalism after all the incidents we seen blasted in the press is frankly, unforgivable. I don't know whether he didn't hear the question fully or misinterpreted what was being asked. But answering with "I marched with MLK" made it sound as if he took the question personally and responded defensively. No one was suggesting he was a white terrorist/nationalist for God's sake. Or is he afraid of ticking off the white base that the Trumpster bamboozled?

Whatever. Just not a good look at an important forum.


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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:29 AM

186. First human to ever walk on water.

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:33 AM

233. He is that old.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:50 PM

144. Talked with 20 or so attendees of #SheThePeople2020 afterwards. Consensus was that

 



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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:01 PM

34. Sanders is not a racist.

 

...and that should be the bottom line against this president. If POC vote for Trump over Bernie, that's on them.

Having said that, I still haven't completely forgiven him for discouraging his followers from voting for HRC in the GE and I have other candidates I'd like to see rise.
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:08 PM

46. I will never forgive him for that.

 

I do not think he is a full out racist like Trump but I think he would benefit from some really good diversity training. He clearly has had very little contact with minorities.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:32 AM

198. People are dodging the obvious about this issue

 

he himself may not be "racist" or view people of color or minorities negatively, but like the current occupant of the white house, he will not stake a hard line on the issue because there is a portion of his following who know that he won't ...
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:22 PM

106. How did Bernie discourage his followers from voting for HRC in the GE?

 





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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:07 PM

130. Perhaps it was his followers who went all Bernie or Bust...

 

...but they adopted that mindset from the candidate himself during the run up to the election. Certainly "nobody but Bernie" was the campaign theme and if he threw his full support to Clinton after the primary, I missed it. He sure didn't waste any shoe leather on it as he skulked back to Independent Land.

Jill Stein should have sent him a valentine the next February.
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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #130)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:47 AM

221. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF DIVISIVE

 

You are for good reason upset with those who adopted a Bernie or Bust stance during the 2016 election. That is NOT the same as "his followers". BoB's were a small subset of all of those who supported Bernie Sanders for President. I assume it is not your intent to do so, but posts like this one serve to anger Democrats who sincerely supported Sanders in the primaries and then worked and voted for Clinton in the General

"Certainly 'nobody but Bernie' was the campaign theme" is certainly false. That was NOT a Sanders campaign theme. A campaign there comes from a campaign. Words matter. During the debates Sanders repeatedly said that all of the Democratic candidates were "a millions time better" than Trump. Sanders endorsed Clinton for President BEFORE the Democratic Convention. He actually appeared at rallies on her behalf dozens of times.

I will be the first to admit that Sanders did not work nearly as hard for Clinton as Clinton did for Obama. Hillary Clinton deserves great praise for being the poster child of Democratic unity for what she did in 2008. Compared to her the contribution Sanders made in 2016 was modest. But it was still above average for a Democratic runner up historically. Compared to how Ted Kennedy, long recognized here on DU as a Democratic hero, treated Jimmy Carter, Sanders worked his ass off for the Democratic nominee. It's all relative.

Why must so many posts in this forum be slams at those who supported Sanders? It does not facilitate unity going into 2020 no matter how the primaries turn out.

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Mon May 13, 2019, 07:00 PM

305. Still the truth. -nt.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:18 PM

138. Bernie's not my top choice (or my 2nd, or my 3rd)

 

maybe my 4th?

Anyway, fair is fair and accurate is accurate. This is what I remember, for the record:


Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Sunday discouraged voters from picking a third-party nominee, saying the issues facing the U.S. are too dire for a "protest vote."

"This moment in history for a presidential election is not the time for a protest vote," the Vermont senator said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"It's time to look at which candidate will work best for the middle class and working families."

He said he didn't want to disparage third-party candidates, but he encouraged voters to pick Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton over Republican nominee Donald Trump.


https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297675-sanders-discourages-voting-third-party-not-the-time-for-a
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:53 PM

146. He did not.

 

Tempest in a teapot and all.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:57 PM

245. I think that if there are people who didn't acknowledge his non-answers

 

to these WOC, will also have the same difficulty acknowledging what was going on concerning Sanders and some of his pointed silences during the GE, when speaking up would have indicated support.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:24 AM

216. Being clueless isn't necessarily racist. But when one is presented with evidence that one is

 

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clueless about the topic of white supremacy, and one doubles down gets defensive rather than listens, that indicates something other than cluelessness.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:03 PM

39. The finger wag! That'll show those unseemly women to get out of line like that!

 

He handled those gals like an old pro.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:16 PM

57. The finger wag is so offensive to minorities and women

 

I am shocked that none of his handlers have told him that.
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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:28 PM

69. Who would dare to? His handlers step in and stop interviewers when they ask him

 

uncomfortable questions before he blowsup, and he's long been known for being harsh to his staffers, even though female candidates get all the press.

I understand that he's Least at home working closely in a diverse team of people, where one of them may have a differing point of view than he does, and wants to express it instead of simply taking their cue from the 'smartest one in the room."

Even Jeff Weaver said that Bernie had too many old white men around him as advisors last time. I wonder just how much he'll tolerate any backtalk from the staff of Jill Stein supporters he's hired this time around.

Most of his diverse staff that started Our Revolution walked out. We'll see if Bernie has learned or has simply hired staff whose demographic he thinks will silence critics of his previous choices.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:33 PM

71. That is almost disqualifying for a POTUS

 

One has to be able to listen to all sorts of opinions, weigh their pros and cons and then make a decision.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were masters of this decision making algorithm and they remained popular.

Bernie's method sounds dictatorial like that of Trump.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #71)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:39 PM

77. Actually, it sounds like the one we have now

 

And their bases aren't all that different in many respects. To Bernie's credit, he knows how to speak to them and is trying to win them over.
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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:43 PM

85. lol

 

swastika to be replaced with hammer-sickle ?

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:00 PM

98. This clearly wasn't Bernie's base.

 

He isn't used to people challenging him or disagreeing with him in any way, and they did.

This is a problem.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:49 PM

119. It doesn't really matter how good a candidate' ideas are if they don't have the interpersonal skills

 

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needed to make them a reality.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:03 PM

127. A wag?

 

I didn’t see full on wag. More like he held up his finger to make another point. As a former teacher, I know the wag. I’m not a Bernie fan, but wow. I’ll defend his right to not give the best answer and allow that he was not putting the audience down
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:09 PM

48. Oh. My. God.

 

He should drop out. Today's America is just not for him.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:24 PM

65. Agree ...

 

sad to say this. Really.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:22 PM

64. A Successful Presidential Candidate Should be Able to Answer Questions...

 

...outside of their usual talking points.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:35 AM

175. For example Beto was great

 




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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:27 PM

67. OK, I think this is being misinterpreted.

 

A "finger wag" is back and forth, like to a naughty child. He just held up his finger, with some movement, in a gesture of, "Just a moment, please. Hear me out."

He is not my favorite candidate so far, but let's not smear people without just cause.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:27 PM

68. Thanks for the warning

 

I promptly blocked the twit evans account.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 11:35 AM

234. Blame the messenger 🙄

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:33 PM

70. he answered okay...

 

but is this what were going to ? nitpick into a slogfest at each 'off' response?

how is this helpful?
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:40 PM

80. Not where the people in the audience were concerned.

 

This was anything but a positive response from them, or evidence of him being prepared in the least for this conference. I think the audience felt disrespected by this, and wasn't going to simply be silent about it.

There didn't appear to be much listening, patience, sustained interest in their questions, issues or concerns, just defensiveness that they weren't just smiling and applauding.

He seemed to be put out that they aren't reacting like crowds at college campuses, where they can't ask questions, they just cheer.

Maybe he thought that showing up to this would get people off his back about "relatability with women voters."

Many of his fans will say that it totally showed this, completely, absolutely - this audience of women just didn't "get" that Bernie knows what's best for them, and health care and minimum wage is really what they should be focused on.

In one on one interviews, his handlers stop the interviewer if Bernie gets irritated with the questions being asked. That wouldn't work here, unlike a town hall where the questions weren't screened and approved ahead of time. I don't think he can sustain listening for more than a few minutes at a time, and that's why he goes on auto-response even when it's unconnected to the question, trying to get back to some familiar ground where he can just block out the incoming questions.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:47 AM

176. Bernie doesn't like being questioned. In fact he seems to resent questions.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #176)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:19 AM

195. True this. (nt)

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:36 PM

74. not a word about white supremacist violence?

 

that was weak. and oh i can't tell you how sick i am of the wagging of the finger.

it's like he didn't listen to the question or even attempt a thoughtful response. hm.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:39 PM

76. LOL I want to see BS do more of these conferences! "He wagged his finger at them"!!!

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:39 PM

78. And he started (at least in the video)...

 

...on the topic of ending the discriminatory policies of the Trump admin, immigration reform, giving DACA recipients a path, and then making sure an agenda of equality in healthcare and economic opportunity exists.

What’s wrong with that answer?

How do you end white supremacism (a thought/mind issue) other than making sure you treat everyone equally and make sure that you express that as a value of the country and your administration?
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:47 PM

90. It was non-responsive

 

It did not address the white supremacist violence

Please see post no. 38
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:30 PM

108. White supremacy is a different issue than inequality.

 

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No amount of talking about DACA legislation or immigration reform addresses burning churches and synagogue and mosque shootings.

How do you end white supremacism (a thought/mind issue) other than making sure you treat everyone equally and make sure that you express that as a value of the country and your administration?


Well, that should have been a question that Sanders and or his staff should have been asking before they knew they would be taking questions from those who by virtue of their skin color or religion are targets of white nationalists.

A simple google turns up several things:

1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully. NO BRAINER. Why did he not even bring this us?

2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential “domestic terrorist,” even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorism—often reserved for Muslims—to other perpetrators without new laws.

2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.


If these are things that a simple google search can produce, why didn't Bernie or anyoneone on his staff feel that this conference audience was worth even that?

Maybe if you are a white male, the threat to your church, your home, your children as targets of this growing threat isn't on your radar. That doesn't excuse a POTUS candidate who knows that he will be talking to an audience of people who are the targets of white supremacists from not bothering to learn about it. He blew this chance to show that he cared about this topic enough to spend 20 minutes to prepare for their questions, and maybe learn something about things that don't come up much in Vermont.




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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:05 PM

129. It was a portion of his stump speech

 

Not a direct answer to the question.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:40 PM

82. Ouch.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:52 PM

94. Guess he didn't want to alienate some of his base

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:54 PM

96. The "lift all boats" approach is always going to be...

 

A bit difficult of a sell to the Democratic Party base. It’s why he is carving out his own base.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:57 PM

97. better not veer off script with him

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #97)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:14 AM

231. Indeed. (nt)

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:06 PM

101. Here is ghe NYT,s take on it.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/she-the-people-forum-2020-women.html
"Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont spoke less about policy than about the broad, systemic inequities that often dominate his campaign speeches. He said tackling sexual violence would require “not only specific plans and programs,” but “a fundamental change in the culture of this country.” He vowed to nominate judges “who will represent the needs of people of color, of working people, and who are prepared to believe and fight for justice, not just the people on top.”"
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #101)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:04 AM

226. More from that article:

 

But after an enthusiastic greeting, Mr. Sanders seemed to lose the crowd somewhat. He did not discuss many policy details, and when asked what he would do for women of color as president, he talked instead about helping marginalized groups in general.

“For a lot of women of color, the challenge is we’ve heard that before,” Ms. Allison said. “If you don’t specifically call out those who are most marginalized, often we’re forgotten.”
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Wed May 8, 2019, 11:12 PM

298. He had 'em then

 

he lost them.

And, it's reflective in the polls now.
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #101)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:31 AM

300. Good article

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:12 PM

102. That's my problem with Bernie. He has the same talking points no matter what the question.

 

I'd venture to say he's past his prime and maybe a little dementia is possible.

That's why - even though I was a strong supporter in 2014 - I'm looking elsewhere.

There are some bright stars out there including Kamala Harris.

Gonna hook my efforts to one of them.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:15 PM

103. Ha! Bernie just being Bernie. At least he's consistent

 

consistently a No Way for me by whittling down my choices and my POC millennials who thought that he was everything just a few years ago.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:17 PM

104. I love being from Houston

 

I am proud of my city
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:29 PM

107. How could anyone attend a WOC conference and not be prepared to answer questions about the issues...

 

How could anyone attend a WOC conference and not be prepared to answer questions about the issues that are most important to WOC?

Cringe-worthy seems to be the best description. I wonder if it would have been better (less harmful) if some excuse had been made to simply not attend.

But then again, in the long run, I think it's very important for people to be able to observe and develop their opinions based on the evidence of how someone performs, how prepared they are, and what they actually have to say.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:02 PM

170. There is a pattern

 


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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:28 PM

252. Thank You, Goth!

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:37 PM

110. One sure way to lose in 2020

 

is to alienate Bernie supporters. We must be focused on the real threat to our country, keep our eyes on the prize and avoid all primary pissing matches. We need every Democrat voting. Divided we fall.
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Response to The Wizard (Reply #110)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:44 PM

115. Another sure way to lose in 2020 is to piss off WOC, the party's most loyal voters.

 

But sure, let's show more concern for the snowflakes (Independents) who support Sanders and don't care about our party or defeating 45.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:46 PM

116. What is Bernie's major offense?

 

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #116)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:22 AM

214. Some posters here are very, very put out

 

that Sanders seems to have been expected to listen to questions from women of color and respond to those questions with relevant answers.

He failed to do so.

A white man who would not worry about behavior was considered offensive or disrepectful to that audience might also likely be bewildered when told that he himself is being disrespectful or offensive in 'splaining to a group who was offended by it that they have no reason to be offended.



But in case you missed these the first several times:





And more here:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-met-with-boos-after-name-dropping-martin-luther-king-at-she-the-people-summit
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #214)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:41 AM

307. Mahalo for the link, ehrnst!

 



Bernie Sanders Met With Boos After Name-Dropping Martin Luther King at She the People Summit


https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-met-with-boos-after-name-dropping-martin-luther-king-at-she-the-people-summit
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:55 PM

123. Exactly, LonePirate. The WOC, POC, and

 

Peeps who care about this are the Democratic Base of our Party.

I care about them.
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Response to The Wizard (Reply #110)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:53 PM

122. BS hires 3rd party jill stein voters on

 

staff. Who have done nothing but attack Democrats.

We're Not going to cover up what BS says or doesn't say in fear of.. whatever.

This is called vetting.. you should talk to Sanders.
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Response to Cha (Reply #122)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:58 PM

124. Kindly furnish us with

 

peer reviewed empirical data to support your assertions.
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Response to The Wizard (Reply #124)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:10 PM

133. B Sanders Taps Jill Stein Supporter to Co-Chair his Campaign for the Democratic Nomination

 

B Sanders Taps Jill Stein Supporter to Co-Chair his Campaign for the Democratic Nomination

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12872947

Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/




New Sanders hire, who was critical of Democratic opponents, scrubs internet history

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:42 PM

163. Thanks for the empirical data!

 

Always appreciate hearing about journalist David Sirota, and learning more about his journalism.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:03 PM

171. You're Welcome, emulatorloo!

 

Yeah, "journalism".

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #124)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:15 AM

213. You've been furnished with empirical data supporting the assertions.

 

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What say you?

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:09 PM

249. *crickets*

 

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Response to Codeine (Reply #249)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:11 PM

250. The sudden radio silence is curious, isn't it?

 

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Or completely unsurprising, considering...

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:40 PM

254. Hello darkness my old friend...

 



... the sound of silence.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:41 PM

255. ....

 

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #110)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:08 PM

132. Ooh, the threat!

 

Be nice to Bernie supporters or they'll vote 3Rd party...or for Dotard.

Thanks. No thanks.
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Response to mcar (Reply #132)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:16 PM

136. Yes, the neverending

 

threat that we can't post BS' own words.

mcar
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:37 PM

141. That's attacking and smearing, Cha

 

We should know by now.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:52 PM

145. Yeah, Go Figure..

 



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Response to mcar (Reply #132)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:48 PM

256. Fuck threats. It takes LESS effort to get dozens of excited NEW voters...

 

Fuck threats. It takes LESS effort to get dozens of excited NEW voters to support Democrats, than it does to try and placate just ONE butthurt malcontent voter (who, if they're willing to make such a threat, probably aren't going to vote for the Democrat anyway.) That's a TOXIC environment that's being created by people with that mindset. People who say such things only contribute to the division and suspicion that weakens the party.

Best to just let them do as they please, and instead use one's energy to motivate first time voters and swing voters to be enthusiastic about the Democratic party, our Democratic candidates, and our Democratic platform. These are the ones who'll be most likely to volunteer, donate, pound-the-pavement, make-phone-calls, and get others interested in Democratic politics as well.

All I'm trying to say is that I simply can't take seriously ANYONE who thinks they can THREATEN to withhold their vote because they're pouting and because they feel personally "insulted" when their preferred candidate is held accountable.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:58 PM

259. I don't take it seriously either, Jackie

 

Bunch of immature malcontents.
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Response to The Wizard (Reply #110)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:25 PM

158. How exactly is pointing out what BS said

 

alienating his supporters? That makes less than zero sense.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

174. The issue is Party unity

 

to achieve a goal.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:27 AM

189. Like when Bernie called for Obama to be primaried in 2012?

 

That kind of unity?
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:53 AM

192. Yeah, that kind of "unity" when

 

BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.

Thanks for the reminder, BL
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:27 AM

232. You mean certain groups should just shut up about their issues when

 

your candidate of choice isn't interested enough to get briefed about them? And everyone else is supposed to shut up about how that went over?

That's not "Party unity," and it's pretty laughable to silence valid analysis of an appearance in the name of 'unity' behind candidate that has hired several senior campaign staffers that have been publicly hostile to the Democratic Party.

And.... you've been furnished with empirical data for that, to which you have not offered any gratitude nor comment.







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Response to Codeine (Reply #158)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:50 PM

257. I guess it's destroying their illusion of what they think they know...

 

I guess it's destroying their illusion of what they think they know... I imagine that would be disappointing. But, their anger and lashing out is completely misdirected.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:05 AM

227. "Nice party you got there. I'd hate to see anything happen to it."

 

If one dismisses pointing out where a candidate stumbled badly in addressing issues then got defensive with the people asking questions, as a "pissing match," that could indicate that one doesn't really think those issues matter.

"Pissing match." Why does your choice of metaphor not surprise me at all after reading your many complaints about this thread?

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:48 PM

117. He is completely clueless

 

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118. Ouch

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:00 PM

125. Clearly, dealing with the problem of white entitlement in this country isn't his struggle

 

I have no idea if he's going to take on that particular issue.
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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #125)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:08 PM

131. Hell no he won't take it on. His thesis is...

 

When poverty is abolished, racism will cease to exist. That's his remedy for racism, which really amounts to ..... he doesn't have one.
Why do you think he has to reach back 56 years for some civil rights creds?
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #131)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:15 PM

135. I'm merely being generous, even though I'm not going to get my hopes up...

 

I don't expect him to expand his own repertoire of proposals to deal with it, because everyone sees what he did there.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:03 PM

126. I'm not here to bash Bernie...but considering he is trying to garner the black vote What the HELL is

 

he doing? Oh I'm sure his aides were just loving this.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #126)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:55 AM

178. Well he did brag about supporting Jesse Jackson in '88.

 

He did that when he spoke in Selma too.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:20 PM

139. it's nothing compared to his cnn townhall that murdered his candidacy

 

He suggested that convicted felons serving in prison (including murderers and terrorists) should be allowed to vote in election while serving. You can’t make this up. Beyond embarassing.
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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #139)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:00 AM

181. Lots of posts on DU praising this nonsense. Protecting the voting rights of terrorists, murderers

 

and criminals everywhere. What a great campaign theme.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:24 PM

140. That is game folks

 

Little to zero chance of digging out of this hole.
Pack it up...dont have to go home but you can't stay here.
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Response to angrychair (Reply #140)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:28 AM

190. With any luck that will be true.

 

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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:47 PM

142. I agree with much of what he said.

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:53 AM

177. No kidding.

 

But he has to win other voters.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:59 AM

206. Too bad he said it instead of listening to and answering the actual questions he was asked. (nt)

 

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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:29 AM

217. Sanders Faces Skeptical Audience at Forum for Minority Women

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #217)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:42 AM

219. I've heard it before, essentially.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 09:49 PM

143. I used to think some of his most tone-deaf supporters came up with insipid nonsense all on their own

 

Now I wonder about that
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:10 PM

151. Actually, what he was talking about in the video you posted seems legit.

 

He got a number of group cheers during the time that I watched.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

156. Yuck.

 

To me, he’s looking kind of tired. Even exhausted.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:45 PM

164. He just doesn't get it

 

The question avoidance, the finger wagging, the tired, debunked, broken record spiel on income inequality solving racism. He just doesn’t get it. He will never get it.
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Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:53 PM

166. I am actually embarrassed for him.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:34 PM

173. He's not trying to win. This is his way of sabotaging his own campaign.

 

He did the same thing in 2016 by not campaigning for the black vote in the south. I think that was on purpose to not turn off black voters from Hillary for the GE. Bernie's the same as he was when he got into the race in 2016, he's a protest candidate who's trying to push the Dem party left. There are all kinds of candidates like that every Pres election, they're not actually serious about winning, they just normally don't become as big as he has.
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Response to mr_liberal (Reply #173)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:40 AM

218. If he's not elected POTUS, there won't be any real test make his words

 

so, so many words after so many years, a reality.

He can say, "I would have given everyone free health care, ended income inequality and slapped down Wall Street, of only the 'establishment' hadn't worked with Oligharchs to keep me from being elected POTUS. I was TOO capable of making these things a reality."

It's like Jill Stein making more and more promises she knows she won't ever be expected to follow through on.

But he'll get so many more book tours and paid speaking engagements after a second run. He has very little time left in his long career as a politician, and this is his last chance to get that last hit of cheering college crowds.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:02 AM

187. "Four years ago it was not a popular idea to say that we've got to take on a broken criminal

 

(racist) justice system and bring about real reform ... ."

He really wants to claim that he was a leader on this? Bernie, 2018: "I'll be honest with you. I really didn't know this was happening. I had no idea hundreds of thousands of Americans, particularly African Americans, were being held in jail for months or years even though they've never been convicted of a crime, simply because they can't afford bail. I've learned a lot. I see the racial disparities clearer than ever."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #187)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:44 AM

191. So.. last year or this year.. not four years ago.

 

Does he know about fact checking?
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Response to Cha (Reply #191)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:29 AM

193. Repeating things over and over again makes them true.

 

This was the wrong audience for that.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #193)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:50 AM

194. Yes, wrong audience.

 

Thanks to all that's Holy!
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:07 AM

188. Three years and nothing's changed.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:24 AM

215. Bernie Sanders gets tough reception at minority women's event, signaling challenges ahead

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #215)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:47 PM

248. That had to smart....

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:09 AM

228. i expected more from him tho..

 

..maybe all those women made him nervous.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:12 PM

236. Washington Post-Opinion: Bernie Sanders's week goes from bad to worse

 



Several things are surprising about this episode.

First, did he not prepare for a patently obvious question? You’d think a candidate so conscious of his need to overcome skepticism among nonwhite voters, who are a critical constituency in the Democratic primaries (especially African American women, who turn out in strong numbers), would be more conscientious about speaking to their concerns. Perhaps he still doesn’t understand that the same socialist wish list he runs through at every big rally isn’t what voters aggrieved by racism in the criminal-justice system, the glaring wealth gap between whites and blacks, and a two-tiered health-care system want to hear. (On the last item, it is noteworthy that “compared with their own mothers, American women today are 50% more likely to die in childbirth. And the risk is consistently three to four times higher for black women than white women, irrespective of income or education.”) This reflects a well-known Sanders trait — lack of introspection.

Second, Sanders’s tone-deafness really makes Monday’s proposal to let felons still behind bars vote seem like crass pandering. Rather than make an extreme proposal, which if anything undercuts legitimate proposals to re-enfranchise felons who have served their time, on an issue virtually no one is clamoring to hear, he might consider a bold move similar to a plan put forward at the same summit by Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.). That plan would wield the pardon power widely for the benefit of those (disproportionately African American) convicted of nonviolent drug crimes and give former nonviolent drug offenders job opportunities in the new, legalized pot industry. Sanders might show some willingness to study “reparations” (which do not necessarily entail cash payments but can take the form of extensive investment in high-quality housing and education for disadvantaged nonwhites who have lacked access to both for decades). At times, it really seems as though Sanders isn’t even trying to meet these voters halfway.

Finally, Sanders is getting shown up regularly on race issues not only by African American candidates but also by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who has included in virtually all her policy proposals specific measures to address racial inequality (e.g., an education plan that includes generous funding for historically black colleges and universities, a housing plan that includes “down-payment assistance to first-time homebuyers in communities that were once subject to redlining”).
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #236)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:50 PM

238. The Rube nails it.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:29 PM

241. no comment...

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:50 PM

244. The whitesplaining to WOC of how "Bernie's answer was fine" on social media by

 

supporters is breathtaking.

I can see that there is a mechanism by his supporters could deny that he has an obvious problem, even when it was illustrated in full color at this event.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #244)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:53 PM

258. Why wasn't he prepared? Did he not know what the conference was about?

 

Did he think he could just wing-it? He certainly didn't "dazzle" them nor "baffle" them. From the looks of things (and based on the audible gasps, chuckles and other tones of disapproval) it's pretty clear that the attendees were already onto him. They had a good idea that he'd revert to the bulleted talking points from his standard stump speech... and they were right.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #258)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:09 PM

260. From what I understand from some posts here, they are the ones who are at fault for

 

not accepting that "fair" answer.

What would they EVEN know about the correct answer to question that was asked?



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #260)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:55 PM

264. It was indirect and evasive. I think it caught him off-guard...

 

... and so he tried to fill the silence with rote catch-phrases from his usual stump-speech.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:17 PM

261. That finger wagging was pathetic! The flash of anger over

 

it was also very revealing. Repeating the same lines over and over isn’t enough.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #261)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:00 PM

263. It was surreal, RB..

 

what could he possibly have been thinking?!

Never mind!

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Response to Cha (Reply #263)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:04 PM

265. Yes, he sure did look angry at not getting his expected

 

applause.

Looks like he needs to get used to the cynicism towards him now. He’s being vetted—for a change!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #265)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:33 PM

266. The Opposite of "applause"...

 

lol

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #261)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:03 AM

280. From my twitter feed

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #280)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:27 PM

282. Excellent follow-up to those trying to make Bernie a victim

 

again! Sanders didn’t answer the question and played them off like he didn’t even have to answer their questions. Thanks for that link, Gothmog. People are not buying it anymore.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #280)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:22 PM

287. I learned a new word from that twitter thread: jackleg.

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #280)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 12:46 AM

288. Precisely!

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:45 PM

262. Looks like Bernie is getting some negative press in the MSM for the first time in history.

 


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Fri Apr 26, 2019, 04:47 AM

269. Well earned!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #269)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:43 AM

270. That's truly "earned press."

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #270)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:53 AM

271. Truly.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:40 PM

267. jeebus. Typical Bernie. "That's very nice what you want to talk about - but let me

 

tell you what you should want to talk about. . . . me.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #267)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:13 AM

272. Understandably the WOC

 

weren't having any of it.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:15 PM

273. Sad day for me

 

The Root had a sad/humorous right on point essay: https://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-black-woman-problem-and-thats-goi-1834302198

I may need to go away for a few months. Then I will stick my head up again and see how the terrain is looking. This is a big oops for me. At least my 2nd choice, Warren, did well.

I will confine myself to hating Trump for awhile. He's a good poultice. Draws out the poison, the healing cells have a chance to work their magic and then in 2020 the Democratic nominee will isolate the poison.
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Response to srobertss (Reply #273)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:28 PM

278. Thanks for the link to

 

the Root article, srobertss.
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Response to srobertss (Reply #273)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 08:57 AM

279. Imagine that last is right on point also. :)

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:28 PM

275. Good grief. He just keeps digging deeper and deeper.

 

He should just give it up. Seems its impossible for him to answer questions about racial issues.
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Response to honest.abe (Reply #275)

Thu May 2, 2019, 06:07 AM

296. And no apology.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Fri Apr 26, 2019, 05:06 PM

277. From the Washington Post

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #277)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:13 AM

281. More From the Washington post

 




Later, former Ohio state lawmaker Nina Turner, the most high-profile woman of color on the Sanders campaign, referred to the audience’s reaction, asking “in what world” was it appropriate for the conference attendees to boo Sanders for sharing his story of protesting with King.


Sanders’s finger wag — and Turner’s talk — suggest the Sanders campaign may continue to struggle to draw in voters of color.

By focusing on a 50-year-old anecdote, Sanders missed a key opportunity to explain what he’s done for women of color in the past 10 years and how he’d tackle today’s challenges. And when listeners expressed their frustration, Sanders seemed dismissive and unwilling to engage. The optics of a predominantly white crowd applauding Turner for chastising women of color only fueled this message more....
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n this campaign, Sanders has an opportunity to do better with minority voters. Pushing back on voters who express concern is not likely to win Sanders more support from constituencies he needs to capture the Democratic nomination.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #281)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:46 PM

293. Thank You!

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 03:02 PM

283. "I'm sorry; my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions."

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 04:59 PM

284. Then instead of addressing the problems he sends Nina

 

Turner out with this..

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Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:19 PM

290. K

 

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:21 PM

291. AMJOY discussed this

 


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Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:45 AM

292. Thanks, Goth..

 

while BS is out there attacking Biden on tv.. I'm keeping this front and center as one reason I don't want him as our candidate.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:34 AM

297. hmm

 

I'm blocked from seeing their tweets. No idea why.
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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:32 AM

301. Black women are the key to victory in 2020. Stop ignoring them

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #301)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:59 PM

302. Yes, and this OP needs

 

the light Shining on it because of what they're trying to do to Zerlina Maxwell now.

Thanks, Goth.
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Mon May 13, 2019, 06:32 PM

303. I found the attack video on Zerlina Maxwell to be very deceptive

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #303)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:41 PM

304. Shows they have

 

no confidence in their ability to win.
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