Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie has a rough time at She the People conference
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Instead he started talking about minimum wage and Medicare For All.
The audience claps when the moderator clocks him.
Audible groans/boos.
He wags his finger at them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....he most certainly didn't march "with" MLK. He was one of many in this crowd:
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we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)it's pitch black in here from all the shade the you just threw! ?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Of Hillary!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,068 posts)Biographies which focus on Sanders life in the 1960s note that he moved to Vermont immediately after graduating from college in June 1964. He and his wife much of the next two years traveling Europe before their divorce in 1966. These biographies do not mention a trip to Alabama in 1965.
Notable early events in Sanders political career include his arrest during a demonstration against segregation in Chicagos public schools in 1963, and a civil rights sit-in at the University of Chicago in 1962. Once again, a 1965 march in Selma is not included in histories of Sanders early political career.
In March 2015, Sanders announced that he would attend the 50th anniversary of the Selma march and did not mention that he had attended the original event himself. At the event, his speech also failed to mention that he was there at the historic march.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-mlk-selma-march/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spicysista
(1,663 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spicysista
(1,663 posts)His interview starts at the 2:16:24 mark.
On the plus side, everyone else was great!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spicysista
(1,663 posts)A fellow DUer, Indygram, posted the live feed of the event.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jrthin
(4,825 posts)the people who represent me to understand and deal with identity politics; to paraphrase MLK, justice can't wait. And MLK who represents my civil rights values, he was a powerful advocate for identity politics. Maybe BS should read MLK letters from Birmingham Jail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
steventh
(2,143 posts)I was sorry to have missed it. Now I've bookmarked it to watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spicysista
(1,663 posts)It went by really quickly. The audience had a fantastic energy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
steventh
(2,143 posts)We have so many really excellent candidates to choose from. I'm looking forward to hearing what they had to say at She the People. Joy Reid just said she would show highlights of the candidates during the next (8 pm) hour on MSNBC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
spicysista
(1,663 posts)Has reached epic levels!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftieNanner
(14,997 posts)He only has a single answer for everything.
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zeusdogmom
(978 posts)And always delivered with a scowl and pointing finger. Does not inspire me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calimary
(80,699 posts)Put it AWAY, Bernie!
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DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)the memory hole.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tymorial
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)It was a softball really.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)that question cogently.
If he was not so anxious to cram all his talking points into every reply, he would have at least come across as attentive and intelligent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)This sort of question might be tough for a Republikkkan, but even a man who abhors "identity politics" like Bernie should have no problem answering it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Not challenging at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)He's supposed to have at least some kind of ideas about major problems we have, and the rise of violent white supremacy is a major problem.
And it's not going to be solved by a higher minimum wage or Medicare for all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)else like that. I didn't see the program, that's why I was asking whether anyone else got that question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Bernie can't condemn white supremacy now? Is he afraid of alienating his "Bros"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,702 posts)how hard would it be to say i will restore the offices that were tasked to follow up on this issue and instruct the justice department to gather intelligence and act on it and encourage congress to hold hearings and make laws to address it? trump has let them run wild and encouraged them and their violence.
it was as if the question was not even asked. like bernie wasn't listening. he should learn to listen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....as being non-responsive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)They asked Beto flat out why a black woman should vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)should have knocked over the back fence. He came to sell himself to an audience of women who were predominately black for goodness sake.
The only way they couldve made it easier would have been to set the ball on a batting tee for him peewee baseball style.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That's reaching bending over pretty far backwards to defend his lack of preparation on a basic issue concerning people of color...
But here's the video with all the candidates' session in the forum:
Let us know if the others thought it was a 'gotcha' question.
He did the same thing at Univision question and answer. Refused to answer questions on Latin America.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=87465
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)could have actually answered the question and none of the following would have happened.
Easy.. but he didn't do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)that with a "gotcha".
BS was there and he was unprepared.. everyone else did well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,174 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)For a 5 year old maybe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That should be not be in the least bit 'challenging' for a POTUS CANDIDATE who claims the mantle of longtime civil rights activist.
And if you don't know the questions that the other candidates were asked, you can find the answer yourself right here:
Let us know which questions were asked of Bernie that were not asked of other candidates.
"I marched with MLK" is an answer my mother and father could have given. It's a politician's non-answer, and the audience let him know it.
Off the top of my head, I myself could have said:
1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully.
2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential domestic terrorist, even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorismoften reserved for Muslimsto other perpetrators without new laws.
2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.
If I could come up with that, why couldn't his staff? Did he really think that he could just dismiss preparation on the topic of organized violence against people of color, that he HAD TO KNOW would be brought up, by planning instead to just turn on auto pilot talking points about DACA and health care policy?
This wasn't a town hall where questions would be submitted and approved beforehand. It appears that he doesn't have the ability to listen or access information on topics that he's not interested in or versed on when asked.
I think about how Hillary would have first smiled, thanked the audience member for giving her the opportunity to discuss this important issue, talked about the extent of the problem of expanding white nationalism, the damage that it has caused, and then listed her solutions. She was often called "over prepared" but you knew that she would have respected this audience enough to have done some damn homework on this. She cares about the issue.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)+1000, and you are so right about Secretary Clinton. The way she approached questions is a huge reason for the enthusiasm she engendered in her audiences.
In fact, those who did best at this event were those who saw it as an opportunity to talk about the issues raised by this bedrock group in the Democratic party. If a candidate hasn't realized that Black women are THE group you need to win to win the Democratic Party primary, I have to question whether the candidate knows the party at all. 'Vote blue, no matter who' should be replaced with 'Vote like a Black woman', because they were the group that most clearly rejected Trump and all third party candidates; 94% of them voted for the Democratic nominee in the last GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to know about and be informed on the issues that women of color are interested in.
At a conference for women of color.
Therefore questions on those issues were "gotcha" questions, or "exceptionally challenging."
And they have the nerve to come white bro-splain to us how Bernie is being unfairly criticized for not knowing things that they themselved don't know, so those things can't possibly be relevant or important.
Privilege has its privileges.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)replies for a Dem potus candidate.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)Mahalo!
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But here you go.
Let us know if they were given "less challenging" questions.
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we can do it
(12,118 posts)He has same answers for every question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)Link to tweet
This is the first Presidential Forum for Women of Color that is for us, by us. Today we make history in Houston, Texas!
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Fact is he dropped the ball.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)LaTosha Brown going to SheThePeople, she! History is being made!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Brilliant!
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emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
murielm99
(30,656 posts)Esshhtablishment.
Those two words answer a lot of questions for him, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,341 posts)IKR?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)You'd think his staff would have prepped him for such a question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,702 posts)seems worthwhile.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,472 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)unprecedented bashing in the Democratic primary, as compared to other candidates whom no one criticized about what they said or did under the same standards.
Who is Bernie Sanders?
Correct!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Old, and white. No thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Most of the rest of us will look to more diverse offerings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)James Dean, Michael Jordan. Of course YMMV
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:18 AM - Edit history (1)
Quick, derail the discussion with a nonsensical post!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....with no predetermined set of questions, each to be asked of each person on stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)was as hard question?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)That being said using this experience to deflect questions regarding our current socio-cultural issues regarding race is a weak response. The march was 57 years ago and while it remains an extremely important part of our history regarding civil rights, stating he marched does little to explain how he intends to address systemic racism and inequality.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
handmade34
(22,755 posts)his response to "Blacks Lives Matter" is "All Lives Matter"
Sanders needs to get back to his day job
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,755 posts)Bernie's idea of Post Offices and Banks... that being said, he is one of my Senators and I would just as soon that he stay in that job...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)by the oratory of MLK Jr. and had an enlightened heart. I think it was just a photo-op because shortly thereafter, he left diverse Brooklyn for lily white Vermont and stayed there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)answer the questions at #SheThePeople.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)Heck, Im in my 60s and sometimes have to search my brain for answers I would have given much more promptly 5years ago.
When you add the pace of a campaign trail.....well....I know I couldnt do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm also looking to support a candidate with the stamina, alertness and demeanor to be the leader of the free world. There's a delicate BALANCE of traits that are important to me. It's not enough to simply be able to point out problems... anyone can do that... I want someone who can articulate their understanding of the problem, how it came to be, what its real-world impacts are, and what a REAL WORLD solution would be... including how it gets passed, and how it's paid for.
For me, BS just misses the mark on all of those counts. I'll be supporting someone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)The workhorses. You can tell who did the homework necessary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)not to mention basic interpersonal skills are not optional.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Any candidate who lacks those qualities will not receive my support, no matter how popular he (or she) is, and no matter how many people are under the impression that it's "his turn" (or "her turn" .
There are no "turns" ... my vote must be earned. My vote goes to the DEMOCRAT who can best lead and heal our once-great nation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)leaving all that noisy activism in the racially diverse cities far behind.
He took a trip to Europe during the height of the Vietnam war protests, so he missed that, too.
I think that he hasn't really had to deal with these issues in Vermont. That's how he got elected and re-elected, because the people didn't particularly have an interest in issues that affect diverse areas.
And even last December, he still really wasn't getting the message.
'We Find Ourselves Excluded': Racial Justice Leaders Ask Bernie Sanders 'To Get With The Program'
https://www.vpr.org/post/we-find-ourselves-excluded-racial-justice-leaders-ask-bernie-sanders-get-program
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(50,501 posts)He didn't return to New York City where he could had continued his activism. Pretty sure there are problems related to racism and the poor there.
I'm not sure he has done much since the March other than maybe talk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)and why end the video there b4 he answered the follow up?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He answered it, then rambling as usual, he morphed into other things about helping with income and health care (it's harder to exert power over people who aren't poor, I suppose, is the implication).
But he broadly answered it.
I don't know of anything specifically you can do to alter people's thinking, except to make it clear what's acceptable in our society and what our country stands for.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)What I understood was he would fight all kinds of discrimination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They wanted to hear something certain, I guess. What that was, I don't know.
I thought the answer was fine. I didn't have any expectations of the answer, and I don't think that there is anything in particular a person can do to change the mind of someone else. You lead by example and by encouraging certain behavior, as we have seen in triplicate from Trump. So Sanders explained how he'd appeal to everyone, which speaks particularly to disadvantaged people but also to others. That encourages unity. That's the way to do it, he seems to suggest.
I'm not a Sanders supporter. But I thought the answer was real, and was fine.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Yes, they wanted to hear an answer to what he would DO about growing violence from White supremacist groups, and not a brush off, from someone who didn't want to talk about it, or couldn't.
His answer was "real" but it wasn't an answer to the question being asked.
One basic, easy, no brainer answer would have been. "I will restore and fully fund the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism unit that Trump disbanded."
That's a bit more concrete than "leading by example" don't you think?
Why do you think that he couldn't have even said that? He clearly either didn't want to answer the question or couldn't, so he rambled on about something that did not address white supremacy and their growing violence at all.
He failed to answer the question, and clearly hadn't done even a small bit of research on a topic that anyone could predict would be asked about.
Blaming the crowd for informing him that he had not answered the question doesn't show much respect for the audience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that Sanders was there to communicate with.
The fact that some white Sanders supporters deemed them wrong, that his non-answer as 'fine,' and insinuated that the judgement of the women of color who were there were somehow "less" or "as" reasonable as judgement of white Sanders supporters as to whether their question was answered is telling.
https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/02/how-people-whitesplain-racism/
Why do you think that Sanders couldn't even give that one answer I was able to think of off the top of my head? Do you think that Sanders didn't even know that Trump had disbanded the DHS Domestic Terrorism Unit? Do you think he forgot?
He had a chance to show that he cared even just enough about White Supremacy to talk about the banishing of that group, which is the main investigative unit that finds and arrests violent white supremacists before they can kill again.
Why do you think he failed to do so?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)your excellent reply!
".. the answer was fine.. ".. No it was Not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dansolo
(5,376 posts)The question was explicitly about violent white supremacists, not discrimination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)in every question - single payer, minimum wage, income inequality and rant against rich people.
This turns off a person who is asking a specific question and the audience as well.
If you go to a car dealership and ask "how much mileage do you get on this car?" and the salesman answers, "it gives great mileage but look at the sleek interior, rack and pinion steering, double wishbone suspension, antilock breaking system, Dolby stereo system, rear seat video and Bluetooth connectivity."
Yeah -- he answered the question "broadly" alright.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)talking points when BS is asked a specific question, especially about White Nationalists, at the #SheThePeople Historic Event! Hello!
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,435 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's a clear indicator of someone who has a very LIMITED set of skills and cannot see (or understand) the intricacies of other issues and how they effect the lives of others. It's a very narrowly focused world-view. As a nation, we need better than that. We CAN most certainly do better than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Just because neither you nor Bernie doesn't know about an issue, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. That's privilege, defined.
There are many things specifically that can be done to address white power domestic terrorism, other than platitudes about how "everyone needs to be equal," and "I marched with MLK." My parents can say both those things, but they're not presidential material.
Here are some examples:
1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully.
2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential domestic terrorist, even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorismoften reserved for Muslimsto other perpetrators without new laws.
2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.
If I could come up with that, why couldn't his staff? Did he really think that he could just dismiss preparation on the topic of organized violence against people of color, that he HAD TO KNOW would be brought up, by planning instead to just turn on auto pilot talking points about DACA and health care policy?
This wasn't a town hall where questions would be submitted and approved beforehand. It appears that he doesn't have the ability to listen or access information on topics that he's not interested in or versed on when asked. Does he not listen to the WOC he has very publicly touted that he hire to be on his staff? They should have been briefing him on speaking to a group of WOC. Did they, and did he just not remember anything they told him?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ruby the Liberal
(26,216 posts)Maybe he didn't finish his thought. Maybe he meant to say that we are going to pay for Medicare for All by confiscating all of the wages and assets of white supremacists. Because I could get behind that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,663 posts)this
Link to tweet
is pure rubbish
I love Pete but I do not need some jackass suggesting violence
yet another example of anonymous mass social media coarsening US political dialogue
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)any question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Auggie
(31,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,189 posts)...leaves behind every damn person who cannot get a job with a future due to racism and misogyny.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)same principle applies to Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)even if he was briefed on it.
Clearly the women of color he has so publicly proclaimed are on his staff either didn't want to brief him on these issues, or he doesn't listen to them.
Perhaps they briefed him and he doesn't remember things well when he gets angry or frustrated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)he just doesn't have an answer to that and many other basic questions. He just isn't prepared and that is imho his greatest flaw.
I've seen him stumble on questions about civil rights, abortion, and the minimum wage, and now this. These are basic questions for us on the left and we should expect or leaders to have a thought out response to those questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Thank heavens no one brought up essays.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,068 posts)and afterward had a beer with Samuel Adams
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)be impressed?! lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)Okay. That made me laugh.
I think one of the problems Sanders has in his 2020 run is he sounds exactly the way he did in 2016--same vague answers and/or talking around the questions. It's not as if the Senator from Vermont hasn't had time to prepare for a second go-around. But really, not to be able to answer something as obvious as white nationalism after all the incidents we seen blasted in the press is frankly, unforgivable. I don't know whether he didn't hear the question fully or misinterpreted what was being asked. But answering with "I marched with MLK" made it sound as if he took the question personally and responded defensively. No one was suggesting he was a white terrorist/nationalist for God's sake. Or is he afraid of ticking off the white base that the Trumpster bamboozled?
Whatever. Just not a good look at an important forum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to Cha (Reply #33)
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Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)...and that should be the bottom line against this president. If POC vote for Trump over Bernie, that's on them.
Having said that, I still haven't completely forgiven him for discouraging his followers from voting for HRC in the GE and I have other candidates I'd like to see rise.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)I do not think he is a full out racist like Trump but I think he would benefit from some really good diversity training. He clearly has had very little contact with minorities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)he himself may not be "racist" or view people of color or minorities negatively, but like the current occupant of the white house, he will not stake a hard line on the issue because there is a portion of his following who know that he won't ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)...but they adopted that mindset from the candidate himself during the run up to the election. Certainly "nobody but Bernie" was the campaign theme and if he threw his full support to Clinton after the primary, I missed it. He sure didn't waste any shoe leather on it as he skulked back to Independent Land.
Jill Stein should have sent him a valentine the next February.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)You are for good reason upset with those who adopted a Bernie or Bust stance during the 2016 election. That is NOT the same as "his followers". BoB's were a small subset of all of those who supported Bernie Sanders for President. I assume it is not your intent to do so, but posts like this one serve to anger Democrats who sincerely supported Sanders in the primaries and then worked and voted for Clinton in the General
"Certainly 'nobody but Bernie' was the campaign theme" is certainly false. That was NOT a Sanders campaign theme. A campaign there comes from a campaign. Words matter. During the debates Sanders repeatedly said that all of the Democratic candidates were "a millions time better" than Trump. Sanders endorsed Clinton for President BEFORE the Democratic Convention. He actually appeared at rallies on her behalf dozens of times.
I will be the first to admit that Sanders did not work nearly as hard for Clinton as Clinton did for Obama. Hillary Clinton deserves great praise for being the poster child of Democratic unity for what she did in 2008. Compared to her the contribution Sanders made in 2016 was modest. But it was still above average for a Democratic runner up historically. Compared to how Ted Kennedy, long recognized here on DU as a Democratic hero, treated Jimmy Carter, Sanders worked his ass off for the Democratic nominee. It's all relative.
Why must so many posts in this forum be slams at those who supported Sanders? It does not facilitate unity going into 2020 no matter how the primaries turn out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,091 posts)maybe my 4th?
Anyway, fair is fair and accurate is accurate. This is what I remember, for the record:
Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Sunday discouraged voters from picking a third-party nominee, saying the issues facing the U.S. are too dire for a "protest vote."
"This moment in history for a presidential election is not the time for a protest vote," the Vermont senator said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"It's time to look at which candidate will work best for the middle class and working families."
He said he didn't want to disparage third-party candidates, but he encouraged voters to pick Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton over Republican nominee Donald Trump.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297675-sanders-discourages-voting-third-party-not-the-time-for-a
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
David__77
(23,219 posts)Tempest in a teapot and all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to these WOC, will also have the same difficulty acknowledging what was going on concerning Sanders and some of his pointed silences during the GE, when speaking up would have indicated support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)
clueless about the topic of white supremacy, and one doubles down gets defensive rather than listens, that indicates something other than cluelessness.
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Exactly this. Bernie just doesn't get it and never will. He is unteachable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He handled those gals like an old pro.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)I am shocked that none of his handlers have told him that.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)uncomfortable questions before he blowsup, and he's long been known for being harsh to his staffers, even though female candidates get all the press.
I understand that he's Least at home working closely in a diverse team of people, where one of them may have a differing point of view than he does, and wants to express it instead of simply taking their cue from the 'smartest one in the room."
Even Jeff Weaver said that Bernie had too many old white men around him as advisors last time. I wonder just how much he'll tolerate any backtalk from the staff of Jill Stein supporters he's hired this time around.
Most of his diverse staff that started Our Revolution walked out. We'll see if Bernie has learned or has simply hired staff whose demographic he thinks will silence critics of his previous choices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)One has to be able to listen to all sorts of opinions, weigh their pros and cons and then make a decision.
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were masters of this decision making algorithm and they remained popular.
Bernie's method sounds dictatorial like that of Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ruby the Liberal
(26,216 posts)And their bases aren't all that different in many respects. To Bernie's credit, he knows how to speak to them and is trying to win them over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)swastika to be replaced with hammer-sickle ?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He isn't used to people challenging him or disagreeing with him in any way, and they did.
This is a problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
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needed to make them a reality.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)was he Thinking!?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)I didnt see full on wag. More like he held up his finger to make another point. As a former teacher, I know the wag. Im not a Bernie fan, but wow. Ill defend his right to not give the best answer and allow that he was not putting the audience down
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)He should drop out. Today's America is just not for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Auggie
(31,061 posts)sad to say this. Really.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,435 posts)...outside of their usual talking points.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
colorado_ufo
(5,717 posts)A "finger wag" is back and forth, like to a naughty child. He just held up his finger, with some movement, in a gesture of, "Just a moment, please. Hear me out."
He is not my favorite candidate so far, but let's not smear people without just cause.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)I promptly blocked the twit evans account.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chakaconcarne
(2,387 posts)but is this what were going to ? nitpick into a slogfest at each 'off' response?
how is this helpful?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This was anything but a positive response from them, or evidence of him being prepared in the least for this conference. I think the audience felt disrespected by this, and wasn't going to simply be silent about it.
There didn't appear to be much listening, patience, sustained interest in their questions, issues or concerns, just defensiveness that they weren't just smiling and applauding.
He seemed to be put out that they aren't reacting like crowds at college campuses, where they can't ask questions, they just cheer.
Maybe he thought that showing up to this would get people off his back about "relatability with women voters."
Many of his fans will say that it totally showed this, completely, absolutely - this audience of women just didn't "get" that Bernie knows what's best for them, and health care and minimum wage is really what they should be focused on.
In one on one interviews, his handlers stop the interviewer if Bernie gets irritated with the questions being asked. That wouldn't work here, unlike a town hall where the questions weren't screened and approved ahead of time. I don't think he can sustain listening for more than a few minutes at a time, and that's why he goes on auto-response even when it's unconnected to the question, trying to get back to some familiar ground where he can just block out the incoming questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,702 posts)that was weak. and oh i can't tell you how sick i am of the wagging of the finger.
it's like he didn't listen to the question or even attempt a thoughtful response. hm.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,189 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...on the topic of ending the discriminatory policies of the Trump admin, immigration reform, giving DACA recipients a path, and then making sure an agenda of equality in healthcare and economic opportunity exists.
Whats wrong with that answer?
How do you end white supremacism (a thought/mind issue) other than making sure you treat everyone equally and make sure that you express that as a value of the country and your administration?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)It did not address the white supremacist violence
Please see post no. 38
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)
No amount of talking about DACA legislation or immigration reform addresses burning churches and synagogue and mosque shootings.
Well, that should have been a question that Sanders and or his staff should have been asking before they knew they would be taking questions from those who by virtue of their skin color or religion are targets of white nationalists.
A simple google turns up several things:
1. Restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Investigation Unit that Trump disbanded. Fund their investigative and data collection activities fully. NO BRAINER. Why did he not even bring this us?
2. Encourage the DOJ to expand the label of terrorism to include violent white power nationalists, without adopting new terrorism 'charges' that could be abused and used against peacful protesters, environmental activist and BLM leaders. For instance, prosecutors labeled Hasson, the Coast Guard lieutenant, a potential domestic terrorist, even though they charged him with firearms and drug possession charges. Thus, government officials can extend the moral stigma of terrorismoften reserved for Muslimsto other perpetrators without new laws.
2. Use the bully pulpit of the Oval Office as a white man to call other white men and women that perpetrate or tacitly approve of these terrorists with their silence to speak out against it. Call for houses of worship to actively reject racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of bigotry in their communities that stokes this violence.
If these are things that a simple google search can produce, why didn't Bernie or anyoneone on his staff feel that this conference audience was worth even that?
Maybe if you are a white male, the threat to your church, your home, your children as targets of this growing threat isn't on your radar. That doesn't excuse a POTUS candidate who knows that he will be talking to an audience of people who are the targets of white supremacists from not bothering to learn about it. He blew this chance to show that he cared about this topic enough to spend 20 minutes to prepare for their questions, and maybe learn something about things that don't come up much in Vermont.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)Not a direct answer to the question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
catbyte
(34,170 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,472 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)A bit difficult of a sell to the Democratic Party base. Its why he is carving out his own base.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(152,964 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont spoke less about policy than about the broad, systemic inequities that often dominate his campaign speeches. He said tackling sexual violence would require not only specific plans and programs, but a fundamental change in the culture of this country. He vowed to nominate judges who will represent the needs of people of color, of working people, and who are prepared to believe and fight for justice, not just the people on top."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)For a lot of women of color, the challenge is weve heard that before, Ms. Allison said. If you dont specifically call out those who are most marginalized, often were forgotten.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)he lost them.
And, it's reflective in the polls now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trickyguy
(769 posts)I'd venture to say he's past his prime and maybe a little dementia is possible.
That's why - even though I was a strong supporter in 2014 - I'm looking elsewhere.
There are some bright stars out there including Kamala Harris.
Gonna hook my efforts to one of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)consistently a No Way for me by whittling down my choices and my POC millennials who thought that he was everything just a few years ago.
Thank you for posting, LonePirate!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I am proud of my city
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)How could anyone attend a WOC conference and not be prepared to answer questions about the issues that are most important to WOC?
Cringe-worthy seems to be the best description. I wonder if it would have been better (less harmful) if some excuse had been made to simply not attend.
But then again, in the long run, I think it's very important for people to be able to observe and develop their opinions based on the evidence of how someone performs, how prepared they are, and what they actually have to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Wizard
(12,482 posts)is to alienate Bernie supporters. We must be focused on the real threat to our country, keep our eyes on the prize and avoid all primary pissing matches. We need every Democrat voting. Divided we fall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)But sure, let's show more concern for the snowflakes (Independents) who support Sanders and don't care about our party or defeating 45.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Wizard
(12,482 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Wed May 22, 2019, 07:21 AM - Edit history (1)
that Sanders seems to have been expected to listen to questions from women of color and respond to those questions with relevant answers.
He failed to do so.
A white man who would not worry about behavior that was considered offensive or disrepectful to that audience might also likely be bewildered when told that he himself is being disrespectful or offensive in 'splaining to a group who was offended by it that they have no reason to be offended.
But in case you missed these the first several times:
Link to tweet
And more here:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-met-with-boos-after-name-dropping-martin-luther-king-at-she-the-people-summit
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Link to tweet
Bernie Sanders Met With Boos After Name-Dropping Martin Luther King at She the People Summit
Link to tweet
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-met-with-boos-after-name-dropping-martin-luther-king-at-she-the-people-summit
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Peeps who care about this are the Democratic Base of our Party.
I care about them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)staff. Who have done nothing but attack Democrats.
We're Not going to cover up what BS says or doesn't say in fear of.. whatever.
This is called vetting.. you should talk to Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Wizard
(12,482 posts)peer reviewed empirical data to support your assertions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/12872947
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
New Sanders hire, who was critical of Democratic opponents, scrubs internet history
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)Always appreciate hearing about journalist David Sirota, and learning more about his journalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)Yeah, "journalism".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)
What say you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)
Or completely unsurprising, considering...
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the sound of silence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)Be nice to Bernie supporters or they'll vote 3Rd party...or for Dotard.
Thanks. No thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)threat that we can't post BS' own words.
mcar
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)We should know by now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fuck threats. It takes LESS effort to get dozens of excited NEW voters to support Democrats, than it does to try and placate just ONE butthurt malcontent voter (who, if they're willing to make such a threat, probably aren't going to vote for the Democrat anyway.) That's a TOXIC environment that's being created by people with that mindset. People who say such things only contribute to the division and suspicion that weakens the party.
Best to just let them do as they please, and instead use one's energy to motivate first time voters and swing voters to be enthusiastic about the Democratic party, our Democratic candidates, and our Democratic platform. These are the ones who'll be most likely to volunteer, donate, pound-the-pavement, make-phone-calls, and get others interested in Democratic politics as well.
All I'm trying to say is that I simply can't take seriously ANYONE who thinks they can THREATEN to withhold their vote because they're pouting and because they feel personally "insulted" when their preferred candidate is held accountable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)Bunch of immature malcontents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)alienating his supporters? That makes less than zero sense.
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The Wizard
(12,482 posts)to achieve a goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)That kind of unity?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.
Thanks for the reminder, BL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)your candidate of choice isn't interested enough to get briefed about them? And everyone else is supposed to shut up about how that went over?
That's not "Party unity," and it's pretty laughable to silence valid analysis of an appearance in the name of 'unity' behind candidate that has hired several senior campaign staffers that have been publicly hostile to the Democratic Party.
And.... you've been furnished with empirical data for that, to which you have not offered any gratitude nor comment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I guess it's destroying their illusion of what they think they know... I imagine that would be disappointing. But, their anger and lashing out is completely misdirected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If one dismisses pointing out where a candidate stumbled badly in addressing issues then got defensive with the people asking questions, as a "pissing match," that could indicate that one doesn't really think those issues matter.
"Pissing match." Why does your choice of metaphor not surprise me at all after reading your many complaints about this thread?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)I have no idea if he's going to take on that particular issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)When poverty is abolished, racism will cease to exist. That's his remedy for racism, which really amounts to ..... he doesn't have one.
Why do you think he has to reach back 56 years for some civil rights creds?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)I don't expect him to expand his own repertoire of proposals to deal with it, because everyone sees what he did there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)he doing? Oh I'm sure his aides were just loving this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)He did that when he spoke in Selma too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)He suggested that convicted felons serving in prison (including murderers and terrorists) should be allowed to vote in election while serving. You cant make this up. Beyond embarassing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)and criminals everywhere. What a great campaign theme.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,593 posts)Little to zero chance of digging out of this hole.
Pack it up...dont have to go home but you can't stay here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
David__77
(23,219 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)But he has to win other voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,219 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Now I wonder about that
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)He got a number of group cheers during the time that I watched.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)To me, hes looking kind of tired. Even exhausted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)The question avoidance, the finger wagging, the tired, debunked, broken record spiel on income inequality solving racism. He just doesnt get it. He will never get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)He did the same thing in 2016 by not campaigning for the black vote in the south. I think that was on purpose to not turn off black voters from Hillary for the GE. Bernie's the same as he was when he got into the race in 2016, he's a protest candidate who's trying to push the Dem party left. There are all kinds of candidates like that every Pres election, they're not actually serious about winning, they just normally don't become as big as he has.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)so, so many words after so many years, a reality.
He can say, "I would have given everyone free health care, ended income inequality and slapped down Wall Street, of only the 'establishment' hadn't worked with Oligharchs to keep me from being elected POTUS. I was TOO capable of making these things a reality."
It's like Jill Stein making more and more promises she knows she won't ever be expected to follow through on.
But he'll get so many more book tours and paid speaking engagements after a second run. He has very little time left in his long career as a politician, and this is his last chance to get that last hit of cheering college crowds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)(racist) justice system and bring about real reform ... ."
He really wants to claim that he was a leader on this? Bernie, 2018: "I'll be honest with you. I really didn't know this was happening. I had no idea hundreds of thousands of Americans, particularly African Americans, were being held in jail for months or years even though they've never been convicted of a crime, simply because they can't afford bail. I've learned a lot. I see the racial disparities clearer than ever."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Does he know about fact checking?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)Thanks to all that's Holy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(57,636 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..maybe all those women made him nervous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
First, did he not prepare for a patently obvious question? Youd think a candidate so conscious of his need to overcome skepticism among nonwhite voters, who are a critical constituency in the Democratic primaries (especially African American women, who turn out in strong numbers), would be more conscientious about speaking to their concerns. Perhaps he still doesnt understand that the same socialist wish list he runs through at every big rally isnt what voters aggrieved by racism in the criminal-justice system, the glaring wealth gap between whites and blacks, and a two-tiered health-care system want to hear. (On the last item, it is noteworthy that compared with their own mothers, American women today are 50% more likely to die in childbirth. And the risk is consistently three to four times higher for black women than white women, irrespective of income or education.) This reflects a well-known Sanders trait lack of introspection.
Second, Sanderss tone-deafness really makes Mondays proposal to let felons still behind bars vote seem like crass pandering. Rather than make an extreme proposal, which if anything undercuts legitimate proposals to re-enfranchise felons who have served their time, on an issue virtually no one is clamoring to hear, he might consider a bold move similar to a plan put forward at the same summit by Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.). That plan would wield the pardon power widely for the benefit of those (disproportionately African American) convicted of nonviolent drug crimes and give former nonviolent drug offenders job opportunities in the new, legalized pot industry. Sanders might show some willingness to study reparations (which do not necessarily entail cash payments but can take the form of extensive investment in high-quality housing and education for disadvantaged nonwhites who have lacked access to both for decades). At times, it really seems as though Sanders isnt even trying to meet these voters halfway.
Finally, Sanders is getting shown up regularly on race issues not only by African American candidates but also by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who has included in virtually all her policy proposals specific measures to address racial inequality (e.g., an education plan that includes generous funding for historically black colleges and universities, a housing plan that includes down-payment assistance to first-time homebuyers in communities that were once subject to redlining).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)supporters is breathtaking.
I can see that there is a mechanism by his supporters could deny that he has an obvious problem, even when it was illustrated in full color at this event.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Did he think he could just wing-it? He certainly didn't "dazzle" them nor "baffle" them. From the looks of things (and based on the audible gasps, chuckles and other tones of disapproval) it's pretty clear that the attendees were already onto him. They had a good idea that he'd revert to the bulleted talking points from his standard stump speech... and they were right.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)not accepting that "fair" answer.
What would they EVEN know about the correct answer to question that was asked?
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and so he tried to fill the silence with rote catch-phrases from his usual stump-speech.
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R B Garr
(16,920 posts)it was also very revealing. Repeating the same lines over and over isnt enough.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)what could he possibly have been thinking?!
Never mind!
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R B Garr
(16,920 posts)applause.
Looks like he needs to get used to the cynicism towards him now. Hes being vettedfor a change!
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Cha
(295,911 posts)lol
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Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)again! Sanders didnt answer the question and played them off like he didnt even have to answer their questions. Thanks for that link, Gothmog. People are not buying it anymore.
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betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)tell you what you should want to talk about. . . . me.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)weren't having any of it.
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srobertss
(261 posts)The Root had a sad/humorous right on point essay: https://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-black-woman-problem-and-thats-goi-1834302198
I may need to go away for a few months. Then I will stick my head up again and see how the terrain is looking. This is a big oops for me. At least my 2nd choice, Warren, did well.
I will confine myself to hating Trump for awhile. He's a good poultice. Draws out the poison, the healing cells have a chance to work their magic and then in 2020 the Democratic nominee will isolate the poison.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,911 posts)the Root article, srobertss.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)He should just give it up. Seems its impossible for him to answer questions about racial issues.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Sanderss finger wag and Turners talk suggest the Sanders campaign may continue to struggle to draw in voters of color.
By focusing on a 50-year-old anecdote, Sanders missed a key opportunity to explain what hes done for women of color in the past 10 years and how hed tackle todays challenges. And when listeners expressed their frustration, Sanders seemed dismissive and unwilling to engage. The optics of a predominantly white crowd applauding Turner for chastising women of color only fueled this message more....
I
n this campaign, Sanders has an opportunity to do better with minority voters. Pushing back on voters who express concern is not likely to win Sanders more support from constituencies he needs to capture the Democratic nomination.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)while BS is out there attacking Biden on tv.. I'm keeping this front and center as one reason I don't want him as our candidate.
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NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)I'm blocked from seeing their tweets. No idea why.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)the light Shining on it because of what they're trying to do to Zerlina Maxwell now.
Thanks, Goth.
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Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)no confidence in their ability to win.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)to these events he needs to come prepared to answer questions.
The questions he's asked.. not the easy ones he wants asked.
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Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,163 posts)Sanders had two years to work on his messaging and proposals. Two years. And yet he offers no solutions to very real problems.
This is what vetting looks like. I don't think he was grilled like this the first time around. Or maybe he was but didn't bother to think about how to respond. It's puzzling.
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Gothmog
(143,999 posts)Without support from African American voters, sanders will not be the nominee
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Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden