Kirsten Gillibrand on The View made me want to scream!

[nolabear]

Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Yeah, I watch. No Megan today. But Joy Behar directly challenged her on Al Franken and she had the gall to reply that the “big donors and Democratic elites” wanted him back but ordinary voters didn’t. I almost threw my prodigious coffee mug at the screen.

Thank goodness she’s got a snowball’s chance in hell.

Thanks. Had to get that off my chest.

Edit for footage. Start at 3:30. I paraphrased but watching it again pisses me off even more.

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R

[Polly Hennessey]

2. Thanks for getting it off your chest.

Now I don’t have to.

[Kahuna7]

3. No Kirsten. It's YOU ordinary voters don't want.

[zentrum]

50. +++ Very

....very disingenuous, twisty thing for her to say.

Meantime Franken was channeling the great Paul Wellstone. Wish so much we had Al back.

[onit2day]

79. They should have asked ordinary voters. We love Franken

[mainstreetonce]

4. She s hard to listen to

Probably at the bottom of the candidate list.

[nolabear]

8. Brittle and entitled in an irritating way.

I am one who really wants to see a woman in the WH, but not her.

[Siwsan]

56. Definitely in the small group at the bottom of my list

I'll vote for our candidate, who ever they may be. I just hope I can feel enthusiasm.

[tblue37]

110. Not quite. Tulsi , Boulton and Ryan are below her. nt

[sobenji]

168. Totally agree

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. This ordinary voter who actually did vote for Franken twice

and is still pissed off because I won't get to do it again, wants him back very much (no offense to Tina Smith, who seems to be doing a pretty good job). I double-dog-dare her to come to Minnesota and say that; she'd be ridden out of town on a rail by a whole lot of ordinary voters.

[geardaddy]

30. Me too.

I voted for him twice and am pissed to high heaven that I can't vote for him again. I do like Tina Smith, but Al was a force to be reckoned with.

[SnowCritter]

47. Exactly!

It's my opinion that Al should be running for President!

[Rustyeye77]

6. STFU Kirsten

YOU ran off AF...I wont forget that

[calimary]

170. Neither will I.

Two words, Senator Won’t-Be-President: Al Franken.

[Siwsan]

7. I went outside to look at the robin's nest, so I missed her.

Strategic? Perhaps.

[Little Star]

9. I do not like her!

[IndianaDave]

10. Her response, if accurate, demonstrates incontrovertibly that

she is out of touch with Democratic voters, if not with reality. It's clear why she's not gaining any traction.

[Hortensis]

15. I've seen her go "out of touch with reality" at some point

every time I've listened to her, and I now avoid her. I have a number of reasons to feel she lacks the right stuff, but routinely trying to mislead voters, and displaying contempt for our intelligence in the process, does it every time all by itself.

[IndianaDave]

20. K and R!

[madaboutharry]

11. "big donors and Democratic elites" wanted him back but ordinary voters didn't."

How does she know this? Did she offer polling data on this information?

I don't think her problem with raising money is only about Al Franken. She seems to want to put the blame there, but there are other reasons. Mainly, I think it is her former incarnation as being pro gun and having other right leaning policy positions. In a national primary race, that is a lot harder to overcome than at the state level.

Though I do give her a lot of credit for voting against every single one of Trump's nominees.

She may be the first to drop out.

[nolabear]

21. I was surprised she wasn't called on it.

Joy Behar was clearly angry. She started off by saying Al was her friend and his powerful voice had been lost. KG just blew that off, ignored it completely. It was an insult. It was clear she wasn’t much liked at that table.

[LakeArenal]

54. Yeah but Joy let me down.

Joy ended by “I miss him””

Weak.

[LoveMyCali]

64. I'm not a big donor

so I must be a Democratic elite, who knew?

She's horrendous!

[marieo1]

12. Think twice about Kirsten

I have been do angry at Kirsten Gillibrand ever since she had the gall to go after Al Franken. Since I have seen so many Al Franken supporters, I decided to post because I am too. I completely dislike Kirsten Gillibrand. She cares nothing about her constituents - it's all about getting re-elected!!

[Blue Owl]

13. Boooooo....

[katmondoo]

14. She just doesn't appeal to me and I really can't say why.

The Al Franken part is not the only thing against her.

[hlthe2b]

16. Her denial is simply face-saving, I truly believe. I think she KNOWS better than that.

What a loss for all of us. We surely need Franken right now.

[pazzyanne]

70. I believe, as you do, that she knows that she did not handle the Al situation well.

I have watched several interviews that she has had where the question of Al Franken has come up. She clearly does not want to discuss what happened. She just blows it off and continues with her talking points. It seems she cannot admit her mistakes or make an apology. I want a person of substance as our next president, and I don't believe she fits my criteria. We have a great field of candidates to choose from and we can do better.

[BillyBobBrilliant]

17. I am comforted

by the fact that she will most probably not be an option. Her campaign has not even made a blip on the radar.

[NurseJackie]

18. I can't stand to listen to her. She lacks the ability to project and to speak with the confidence...

I can't stand to listen to her. She lacks the ability to project and to speak with the confidence and self-assured demeanor that one naturally expects from someone who's vying to become the Leader of the Free World.

Timidity never wins and would never garner the respect and demand the attention that's needed when dealing with hostile adversaries.

[rzemanfl]

19. Mention of her name is all it takes to make me want to scream. n/t

[nolabear]

23. LOL-sorry. I usually don't give her the time of day.

That dismissiveness of the whole thing made me crazy. I’m sharing. 🤪

[rzemanfl]

42. No problem. This is all the time of my day she's going to get.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. There are a few in primary who just want a platform. She may be one. . . . nt

[BlueStater]

24. That's just flat-out BS.

Jesus Christ, she's so full of it. She just keeps getting worse and worse.

[NurseJackie]

34. Tell me about it.

It's hard for me to believe that she actually expects to win the nomination. But, I guess it will help to sell books, or get more for speaking fees if "2020 Democratic Primary Candidate" appears on the CV.

[spooky3]

25. How did Joy respond? Did KG provide any evidence, or

Was this a Huckabee Sanders “FBI agents are glad to see Comey gone” moment?

[nolabear]

28. Joy seemed to seethe but didn't jump on her face.

If the video comes up I’ll post it. Honestly they all received her in a pretty chilly manner. At least that’s what I got through the blood red filter that came over my eyes.

[spooky3]

73. Thanks! Nt

[Snotcicles]

26. Thanks nolabear. You've been doing yeoman's work. nt

[nolabear]

29. It's an unhealthy obsession, but it's MY unhealthy obsession.

[NurseJackie]

36. You won't have to deal with that any longer.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=141010

[Paladin]

27. This ordinary voter thinks one Franken is worth ten Gillibrands.

And this ordinary voter has a long memory and a taste for getting even.

[Trumpocalypse]

82. Yet you support Warren

who also called for Franken to resign.

[Amaryllis]

140. Disagree. I'd put it more at one Franken is worth 50 Gillibrands. There are very few Frankens but

many Gillibrands.

[Chin music]

31. See ya Gilly.

We want our Al Franken.

[Trumpocalypse]

83. But Warren called for Franken to resign too.

[Chin music]

84. Im ok with that.

Im not w Gilibrand. Should never have gotten started.

[Trumpocalypse]

86. Sounds like a double standard

[Chin music]

88. Call it what you'd like.

I call this 'conversation' over.

[Trumpocalypse]

94. Ok

I’ll call it a double standard.

[Chin music]

98. And Ill be watching for who you choose...'undecided'. Bc it will say a lot about you.

Easy to be "undecided" then come in to a group and call OTHER DU'ers names(?) or pass judgement. Real brave.
Man up and make a choice, so we know who you speak in the name of eh man?
P.S. I am a human being. I reserve the right to have a nuanced belief in who I vote for. Right now, it's Elizabeth Warren. And further, so we don't dance again, I can forgive anybody, I just choose not to forgive KG. Have a good one.

[Trumpocalypse]

100. Still sounds like a double standard.

Two people do the exact same thing on the exact same day. One is demonized for it and the other is not. Very odd.

[Chin music]

102. So are a lot of the things you say. I've noticed.

I don't need to explain anything about my choice. I'll be watching you trump.

[Trumpocalypse]

104. Still is a double standard.

[tonedevil]

118. That was then...

this is now. Since the railroading of Senator Franken I have seen Senator Gillibrand taking credit for her role frequently. There was a post on DU that showed an email from the Gillibrand campaign that was citing her brave actions getting Franken to resign as a reason to send her money. In contrast I don't remember Senator Warren mentioning it once since the Franken's resignation. You may want the world to see Senator Gillibrand as one of many, but she is pretty busy telling us she led the charge. Any way carry on, those windmills aren't going to tilt themselves.

[Trumpocalypse]

121. How many times is Warren asked the question?

Or Harris? Or Booker? Or Sanders?

[tonedevil]

122. Nobody else thinks it's...

a good thing to try to run on so nobody asks them about it.

[Trumpocalypse]

123. Nobody asked them ever

even before they all started running for the nomination. The media decided to make one person the face of it because they like easy narratives and everyone else fell for it like lemmings. Like I said, total double standard.

[tonedevil]

124. So what?

It may not be fair that she has been made the face of railroading Senator Franken, but nobody is doing more to cement that perception than she herself. How many people do you think have been convinced to change the way they look at this incident because you have called it a double standard numerous times in numerous posts?

[Trumpocalypse]

125. I really don't care

how many are convinced but I’m going to call out double standards, hypocrisy and unfairness whenever I see them. Deal with it.

[tonedevil]

127. I've dealt with it thanks. /nt

[Trumpocalypse]

129. You're very welcome nt

[Chin music]

150. +1

[USALiberal]

90. 3 exact same reply's?? Nice try. But she chose to initiate the attack! Glad it is hurting her! nt

[Trumpocalypse]

93. So the others were just blind followers?

Doesn’t say much for them.

[USALiberal]

95. She wanted to be first because she thought it would make her look like a leader. Nope. nt

[Trumpocalypse]

99. And the others, over 35 of them, just blindly followed behind her

Still doesn't make them look good.

[MyOwnPeace]

132. But it is so obvious.........

that KG has chosen this as the horse to ride for her campaign.

At this point she's looking like the back end of that horse..................

[Trumpocalypse]

133. Because she had already been made the face of it

by people like Joy Behar. Several of the others have been on the view long before the presidential campaign started. But Behar never brought up Franken with any of them.

[MyOwnPeace]

137. Because they were not "riding" that horse.

So many issues, and this is the one that she is "attached" to, and she's not found a way to defend it in a way that wins over so many Dems, nor has she found a way to get anybody to move on beyond that one issue.
In a campaign that has what is almost an embarrassment of highly qualified candidates, she gives everyone a quick and easy reason to check her off of the list.

[Trumpocalypse]

138. Nor was Gillibrand

it was Behar that brought it up. When she was on Rachel Maddox it was Maddox who brought it up.
Same when she was on Chis Hayes. She didn’t bring it up on the CNN Town Hall and no one there brought up. She’s never brought it up on other shows like Colbert either.
And for the record Behar, Maddox and Hayes never brought with any of the 35 others. Like I said, it’s a double standard.

[MyOwnPeace]

147. And, like I said,

"this is the one that she is "attached" to, and she's not found a way to defend it in a way that wins over so many Dems, nor has she found a way to get anybody to move on beyond that one issue."

With so many seeking the one spot, getting trapped in one issue can be the kiss of death (so to speak). She is not working herself out of the mess she's in. Sorta' like John Kerry - decorated war veteran, attacked by the "Swift Boat" mob. In his case, it was BullShit, yet he did not have a swift, solid defense or attack against it.

As for KG, the attacks may or may not be BullShit - but she's not coming up with a meaningful way to get anybody to move on or consider whatever else her strengths as a candidate may be.

The Democratic candidate will need a solid core of support to win in 2020. Seems pretty obvious, at least to me if you've read anything else on this thread, that she's gonna' have a very difficult time getting even a minimal amount of support from Democrats.

[Trumpocalypse]

149. She's not going to be the nominee

there are better candidates.

But that is not what this is about.

[cwydro]

101. You're not changing anyone's mind here.

But carry on.

[Trumpocalypse]

103. Not trying to

But I'm going to call out hypocrisy and lies when I see it. Deal with it.

[cwydro]

106. "To" is the word you were looking for.

Not “too.”

[Trumpocalypse]

107. Thanks nt

[Chin music]

109. Interesting...isn't it?

Weird name for DU as well.

[lark]

32. She's also a total liar!!!

She said it was proven beyond a doubt that he committed "sexual harassment". This is a total lie, it's the opposite of the truth that every person there vindicated Franken and said the photo was shopped, he never touched her or even came close. She was also paid $100,000 by Stone a week prior. Gillibrand carries water for repugs for her own advancement and she's anathema to me.

[barbtries]

33. she's full of shit.

i make a point of responding to her donation requests for money by responding "no. because Al Franken." I do it every time i encounter one of her ads. i look at the thread and the majority of responders by far are reacting pretty much the same as me.

i think of her as fatally cynical.

[liberalhistorian]

87. I do the same thing,

on her Facebook and YouTube ads and wherever else I encounter her annoying fundraising beg-a-thons. And I enjoy posting exactly why I'm telling her to stuff it and forget it. And, like you, I've also noticed that the majority of responses are along the same lines.

[MoonRiver]

35. Please just go away, Kirsten.

[NurseJackie]

37. Yes...

[Trumpocalypse]

85. Double standard.

[kacekwl]

38. What the he'll is

an elite ? Hate that , that's a faux news word.

[Bilegurken]

39. This makes my blood boil.

I support Gillibrand being primaried.

[crazytown]

40. I do not like her will i am

I do not like that Gillibrand

[doompatrol39]

41. Blue Dog Gillibrand was a no go for me long before the Franken thing...

...To me that disqualified her more than anything else. I'm in the NY media market so I was aware of her well before her national profile and her self-serving nature has always come through in everything she's done and said. And given that pretty much most politicians are to some degree self-serving and with inflated ego (ESPECIALLY NYC politicians), for her to stick out as such should show just how bad she is in that regard.

Franken was just the incident that opened everyone else's eyes it seems.

[iluvtennis]

43. can definitely say I won't be supporting her. Never liked he

attitude toward Hillary nor what she did to Franken

[dlk]

44. Gillibrand is Right-This is a Marathon and the Voters Will Ultimately Decide the Outcome

She may discount and minimize the loss of Franken in the Senate and her role in that event, however, the voters will make the final decision. She has been showing us who she is and we should believe her.

[Polly Hennessey]

45. Thankfully, she is beginning to fade.

Wonder where all her supporters have gone. I remember being harshly chastised early on because I thought she was a terrible presidential candidate. Was not impressed before Al Franken and her continuing defense of her actions regarding him only strengthen my opinion. I mute her. No there there.

[cwydro]

105. Yeah, and there were those here for Avenatti

and Oprah lol.

[The_Counsel]

46. If I Had to Guess, I'm Thinking KG Loses MN If She Were the Nominee Against Trump...

...and that won't bode well for the election as a whole.

Gotta get those Rust Belt states back if we're going to win in 2020. The perception that she ran Franken out of the Senate won't help.

[SergeStorms]

142. I don't think she'd carry her home state.

I'm from NY, she's my Senator and I'll vote for her, but I honestly don't think she could carry NY in a presidential election. There are some deep red areas in NYS, and I don't think she does well with Independents at all. She seems a little too full of herself, for no honest reason beside her own ego, in my opinion.

[The_Counsel]

161. New York? Oh, I Think She'd Carry It...

We REALLY hate Trump here in NY.

How does the saying go? “Those who know him best....wouldn’t even pee on him if he were on fire, much less vote for him...?”

[SergeStorms]

167. NYC, sure...

but NY isn't a shoe-in for Democrats. There are many deep red areas in NY. Otherwise the NY Senate and House would be completely blue, and it's far from that. Rural areas especially go for Trump. I live in western NY. The city of Buffalo is blue, but get outside of the city and it's dead-red. The same with the Rochester area, Syracuse area, and Albany area. The southern tier of NYS might as well be Kentucky. All apologies if you live in the southern tier.

[The_Counsel]

173. I Live in WNY...Quite Familiar.

Monroe County can actually be quite conservative, especially once you leave Rochester. But Hillary carried it, as did every Dem presidential nominee since Dukakis, I believe.

In '16 Trump ran up his numbers in NY in the rural areas, just like he did in every other state. Hillary still crushed him. If Gillibrand were the nominee against Trump she'd carry NY easily by virtue of being a quasi-conservative Democrat. I'm not worried about losing NY.

Now Pennsylvania would be a problem, though. As would Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and, yes, Minnesota. That's if Gillibrand were the nominee.....

[George II]

48. We saw it live, and I thought Joy said under her breath, sarcastically, "Democratic elites"....

Will have to watch to see if my memory is correct.

Edit: looks like she didn't say it there.

When it was over, my wife, who is pretty apoliticaly, said "she's going nowhere."

[moonseller66]

49. Loved Al

Al Franken was a Democrat's Democrat.

[mtnsnake]

51. When she represented part of NYS in the House she was anti-immigrant and a pro-gun advocate

Then there was the Franken thing. On top of all that, after Hillary handed her the NY Senate seat on a silver platter, she threw Bill Clinton under the bus saying he should have resigned because of Blowjob-gate.

Watching that video you posted made me want to puke because of what a fraud she is. I had to laugh, though, when she had one of those homina homina moments when she was asked about how she felt about Biden's touchy feely moments. That was right after she asked about her role in the Franken resignation.

[deurbano]

52. The problem is most of the other senators running for president followed her lead.

(Including Sanders, Warren, and Harris, who I currently favor.) I don't understand why they couldn't allow time for an investigation.

[Funtatlaguy]

96. Schumer should have intervened and said to stop 🛑

the stampede to justice and insist on an investigation of any claims.

[LongtimeAZDem]

143. If he had, he would have been condemned as a misogynist

[Rustyeye77]

53. Try this... www.ISCREWEDOVERALFRANKEN.com instead

I really hate her

[tymorial]

55. Wow just wow. I suppose I appreciate that she was honest

But what she was honest about his repugnant as was her caving to political pressure.

And for the sake of honesty and personal integrity, I include Kamala Harris in that as well because she too demanded that Franken resign.

I do still support Harris but this one issue does "stick in my craw" (shout out to my mémère) she loves that phrase.

[kimbutgar]

57. Yesterday Meghan was so rude to Joy and interrupted her I bet she was made to take the day off

I might pass on watching the View today, can’t stand Gillibrand

[nolabear]

71. I missed yesterday. But she's pushing it with everyone I think.

I’ve noticed people just shut up and don’t even try to engage when she goes off on one of her “I know nobody here likes me but I’m going to go on for five minutes and you can’t stop me because my father” rants.

[kimbutgar]

80. And she had the audacity to say she is a conservative first and can't be a feminist!

I about fell out of my chair with laughter. With that logic she should not be on the View and popping out babies with her husband.

[vsrazdem]

58. SHE is the one who courts the ibig donors and elites.

[crazytown]

63. She damn well is!

That was a Trump worthy lie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Yeah, KG prolly has less chance at the nomination than Joe Biden, due to the Al Franken debacle

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[crazytown]

65. !

[nolabear]

72. Low swipe, kiddo.

[Trumpocalypse]

108. And from Twitter

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[nolabear]

111. So who are you favoring? I see unremitting accusations.

If you want to get in the arena get in.

[Trumpocalypse]

113. I plan to make my decision

The week prior to the NY primary. So about a year from now.

[nolabear]

116. As is your right. It's also a safe place to snipe from behind.

I’m happy to have a conversation but calling fellow members and their candidates hypocrites instead of stating a disagreement and backing it up is hard to take seriously. It gets reduced to a buzz and I just pass on by. It’s a loss.

[Trumpocalypse]

120. I'm just pointing out

double standards. Deal with it.

[nolabear]

130. I am. Welcome to how I deal.

[Trumpocalypse]

131. Deal however you want.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

60. Franken makes her

Unelectable and deep down she know’s it !!

[marble falls]

61. She's made some bad choices.

[onlyadream]

62. She's so wrong.

I wonder where she gets that idea?
She's my Senator, and I really don't care for her. I'd like Al Franken instead.

[Butterflylady]

66. Thank you for watching

When I saw she was on I turned it off immediately. I can't watch her after what she did to Franken. And yes I know about " 30 other senators".

[dalton99a]

67. Horrible thing to say about the people who gave her the job

[Owens]

68. Lack of donors

Didn't she have a really bad fundraising month? Or was it quarter? She should drop out.

[The Mouth]

69. We can, and have to, do better

What does she have going for her?

[panfluteman]

74. I'm SOOO Glad that She's Only Got a Snowball's Chance in Hell!

She pounced on Al Franken and led the charge without even stepping back to look at the evidence, or even to consider that the charges against him might have been a Republican set-up. If, heaven forbid, she ever became President, the Republicans would be able to play her like a f-ing fiddle! Heck, she might even be a useful idiot who would be Putin's second choice for President in 2020!

[jg10003]

75. she was a blue dog in the house.

She became a progressive after being appointed to Hillary Clinton's seat.

[vlyons]

76. I'm probably gonna get whacked by DU admins for saying this, but

I still haven't forgiven her for Al Franken. Plus she has her nerve, because IMHO she comes across as elites and big donors. If she gets the nomination (which she won't), I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the general. But I'd rather put my campaign dollars into local and state candidates.

[marlakay]

77. I watch and had to mute most of the time

She was on, she was defensive when ask why she was going down in the polls.

How can she say it’s just donors and elites when I see tons of comments every where I post upset at what she did to Al.

If it was as bad as she said why haven’t we heard of Al going to court? She just wanted to take the competition out, I thought he was going to run and I would have voted for him.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

78. She'd be in my bottom tier regardless of Al Franken.

[pangaia]

81. But THAT was a wasted 45 seconds... LOL

She is 'my senator, :&gt ((

[TeamPooka]

89. The day I found out I was an "elite." It was today after watching that clip.

[cwydro]

91. K and r.

Can’t stand her.

[capechacon]

92. She lives in dreamland....

I'm a lifelong Democrat and have always voted the straight democratic ticket. But I swear...if she were the nominee, I'd leave that slot open my ballot.

God save us from airheads that claim to speak for everyone else.

[MyOwnPeace]

134. PLEASE DO NOT!!!!!!!

"if she were the nominee, I'd leave that slot open my ballot."

OMG!!!!!!!

You do realize, don't you, that too many people did that in 2016 - and look what happened!!!

Seriously, she's NOT gonna' get the nomination, but DO NOT, EVER, say that you will not cast a vote against IQ45!!!!!

[theophilus]

97. She looks tired, imo.

[Roy Rolling]

112. Thanks NOLABEAR

I thought it was just me who harbored a grudge for her part in the Al Franken virtual lynching. With so many good candidates, she's one I can now start my "no way in hell right now" list. I won't give up on any Democrat, but she's starting in the 33rd row in my mind.

And this performance solidifies her lead in last place.

[nolabear]

114. I'm afraid I do but it's not just that.

She seems to me to be playing a tape in her head rather than actually reacting to and having compassion for others. She straight up insulted Joy with what she said and then without a breath shilled for her website and donations. It was as though she has a canned response and cares not one bit about actually saying what she had worried about, feared, thought...I do not want that woman in power.

[Stonepounder]

115. She is the one candidate that would cause me to seriously consider not voting in the 2020 election.

[nolabear]

117. Boy am I glad she's not a contender! I'm afraid I'd vote to defeat him

but I might burst into flame.

[Cha]

145. Fortunately, we don't ever have

to cross that bridge.

[Honeycombe8]

119. I agree! She's desperately hanging onto a thread of an excuse for her appalling behavior...

ousting Franken for what I believe was her own self-interest.

This should be a lesson to all who seek to torpedo one of their own for their own ends. What goes around, comes around.

[Indykatie]

126. Franken is Why Gillibrand is Polling at 1% or Less in the Polls. She'll Figure it Out One Day.

[Skittles]

128. I really wish she had been asked to define the "Democratic elite"

she comes across as pompous and out of touch

[Cha]

144. Exactly. that part pisses me off

as much as her digging a deeper hole saying "ordinary voters didn't want Al Franken back".

That's a rw talking point.

[MustLoveBeagles]

135. This is just sad

I guess she's never heard the phrase "if your in a hole, stop digging."

[suegeo]

136. Gillibrand blew her big chance to expose Roger Stone

Al Franken is/was innocent. An investigation would've exposed Roger Stone's rat-fucking and all the other dirty republican/fascists in this scam.

Gillibrand apparently had cred in helping real victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment. (So I'm told, I didn't even know who she was until she stuck a shiv in my senator's back.)

Given her track record on this issue, she would have/could have investigated this and exposed it. That might've put her ahead of others running to be the Democratic candidate for president.

But nope. She didn't. Roger Stone's a rat from way back. Gillibrand could have shown another generation his dirty work. He took hacked emails from that stinky rapey guy who was recently drug out of the embassy, Assange (sp?)

And instead I had to sweat out that 2018 election for Tina Smith, and sweat out all the Russian/fascist hacking and meddling.

[SergeStorms]

139. Sometimes I think Kirsten...

only thinks about Kirsten and no one else. She's my Senator. I'm not proud of that fact. I'll vote for her as long as she's the Democratic candidate, but if another Democrat were to challenge her for the position............. She's not on my christmas card list.

[Cha]

141. Sounds like Kirsten got herself

a bigger better shovel!

[uberblonde]

146. I was just at the point where I thought we might possibly win with a female nominee....

But to see all the gendered attacks on Gillibrand makes me think my first instinct was correct.

Sexism is so pervasive, people don't really see it. Yes, even women. Even Democrats.

To talk about her voice, her being brittle and entitled.... all those things I only hear about female candidates?

It makes me really, really nervous. At least most white people agree racism is bad. Sexism? No one even wants to admit it exists -- or, if it does, it couldn't possibly be true of YOU.

Just knock it off. You don't support her? Fine. Try and do it on the basis of something other than anti-woman cliches.

[The Wizard]

148. Al Franken should move back to NY and run for her Senate seat.

[AlexSFCA]

151. She is serving her last term in the senate. She can't win any primary

for any race.

[SMoss]

152. She wanted President Clinton to resign.

Franklin is not her first. She would be my last choice for Pres candidate. I don't think she could win. No ideas to solve our problems.
She loves big donors.

[liberalmuse]

153. The View is an awful show.

It's on in the break room at work, so I either turn off the tv if no one else is in there, or have started walking. Meghan McCain is just hideous and most of the hosts are not very informed. Totally pointless show.

[nolabear]

154. Love it or not but they're not at all ill informed.

Meghan gives me the epizootic as have a number of their “conservatives” but they talk about relevant issues and reach an audience that the more nerdly news shows don’t. Might not be your cuppa but that’s fine.

[liberalmuse]

163. Maybe so

But it seems the ones who are ill-informed talk over those who are, hijacking the conversation. It is a turn off.

[nolabear]

166. True dat!

[AdamGG]

155. I hope she finishes the primaries in 25th place

[proud patriot]

156. I am thankful I missed it

would have pissed me too

[Tarc]

157. A shame that a bunch of stubborn misogynists still insist on singling her out

Franken owned up to what he did, Gillibrand was right on this then, continues to be right now. She was one of many.

[Trumpocalypse]

165. Be careful

The Franken cultists will come after you.

[Tarc]

174. They sure do

For some reason, around people have a blind spot for harassment when it is by someone they like. Gillibrand has been, quite mercilessly, crucified.

[bitterross]

158. She's not inspiring at all. Not dynamic.

I've never really watched her speak much. I have to say she's really bland. If this is her typical presentation, she's never going to be President.

Oh, and I still really dislike her for the Franken thing.

[usaf-vet]

159. I won't stay home. I will vote on 2020. I will vote for the Democrat for POTUS

I would guess she blew her own chances when she went after Al Franken. So don't blame us.

[DoctorJoJo]

160. Gillibranded, I Call Her--She Will Wear the Franken Stink to Her Grave!

[the_sly_pig]

162. I'll only vote for her ....

... if she's the last one standing. - Minnesota

[samplegirl]

164. She ruined

herself with Al Franken as no one can say that Franken wasn’t a voice that was so important throughout his tenure. He should of never had to step down!

[notinkansas]

169. Heh.

Nobody has ever referred to me as a big donor or Democratic elite before.

Ha! Ha!

[robbedvoter]

171. It's a Burnie move. 💩 on anyone who disagrees.

Maybe she should wonder why she polls dead last. Do they only ask “donors”?

[SansACause]

172. I guess I'm a Democratic elite.

I don't know how that happened. All I know is that I'm sure as fuck not voting for Kirsten Gillibrand, or anyone who helped Roger Stone railroad AF.