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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:15 AM Apr 2019

Biden is not only a strong primary candidate -- he's the anti-Trump spokesman we need.

He has the national and international stature, after being a highly regarded vice president for 8 years after many years in the Senate, to stand up to Trump, and to have his criticism of Trump taken seriously, here and abroad.

I believe this is one reason Trump is reportedly most worried about him -- besides the fact that Biden's leading in most of the polls.

His campaign will give Biden a platform to tell the American people what he thinks of Trump, and why, on a daily basis.

I'm looking forward to it.

I don't think Trump is...and that might help explain his hysterical over-tweeting as Biden gets closer to launching his campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Biden is not only a strong primary candidate -- he's the anti-Trump spokesman we need. (Original Post) highplainsdem Apr 2019 OP
Biden is probably the only one that could punch Trump in the face during the debate JI7 Apr 2019 #1
No, he's the only one who publicly fantasized that he'd beat Trump in a fistfight. pnwmom Apr 2019 #8
Trump is always saying he was joking True Blue American Apr 2019 #34
We shall see.. I know I so Cha Apr 2019 #12
Yep. He's 4 years older than Trump, but a lot more fit. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #17
Has he evolved on pot yet? marlakay Apr 2019 #2
My two sons are young men. Happily for me, neither of them gives a rat's ass about pot. NNadir Apr 2019 #5
Wasn't saying all young but a lot marlakay Apr 2019 #7
OMG melman Apr 2019 #14
hoo boy Skittles Apr 2019 #18
Skittles! ucrdem Apr 2019 #19
whassup ucrdem? Skittles Apr 2019 #22
Cosigned. demmiblue Apr 2019 #30
I agree on that True Blue American Apr 2019 #28
I use an edible for my insomnia. kstewart33 Apr 2019 #33
Thank you for saying that. I was about to say the same thing. True Blue American Apr 2019 #35
The idea that millenials are all in on smoking weed is simply insulting...my three do Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #36
He's the only one with a snowball's chance in hell of winning. ucrdem Apr 2019 #3
yes. we need to think of every voter, not just progressive voters or Democratic voters. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #4
Hillary would have won with only 80,000 more votes across 3 states. pnwmom Apr 2019 #10
It's not a sure thing, but Joe has the best chance. ucrdem Apr 2019 #13
I don't see how this kind of attitude is going to make a winner: pnwmom Apr 2019 #15
It won't but sometimes it's necessary. ucrdem Apr 2019 #16
I just can't wait: seeing those two old guys out-crazying each other. No, thanks pnwmom Apr 2019 #23
.. Cha Apr 2019 #25
Hillary DID win on raw vote count! forgotmylogin Apr 2019 #20
This is the time for Joe Biden.. when we need him the most Peacetrain Apr 2019 #6
Did you hear William Weld on MSNBC tonight? Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #9
Weld looks like an actual Republican. forgotmylogin Apr 2019 #21
I did not know Weld True Blue American Apr 2019 #29
I'm looking forward to his Cha Apr 2019 #11
Dive in, Joe My Name is Url Apr 2019 #24
I am excited to see Joe enter the race officially Pachamama Apr 2019 #26
We need them all quakerboy Apr 2019 #27
Biden is a fighter BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #31
I appreciate people who are passionate about their candidate. Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #32
If Joe does nothing else, his ability to punch Trump and leave a mark will be invaluable to us all. Hekate Apr 2019 #37
I believe that his centrism and establishment status will be a ball and chain Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #38
Thing is, Tibbs, people KNOW VP Biden. Hortensis Apr 2019 #39
It's not going to be about who is who Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #40
That's what Sanders supporters would like it to be about. But they're a small fraction of the party highplainsdem Apr 2019 #41
It's gearing up to be the people who have to live in the future Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #42
Basically, I'm an ABS Democrat. NNadir May 2019 #43
 

JI7

(89,241 posts)
1. Biden is probably the only one that could punch Trump in the face during the debate
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:16 AM
Apr 2019

and it will probably help him win more votes than he loses. at worst there will be no change .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
8. No, he's the only one who publicly fantasized that he'd beat Trump in a fistfight.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:57 AM
Apr 2019

That's not a smart approach in a debate, however.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-would-beat-trump-fist-fight-and-2020-election-poll-suggests-862642

Biden said that if he and Trump were still in high school, he would take Trump “behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.”

Trump the following day responded by tweeting, “Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
34. Trump is always saying he was joking
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:38 PM
Apr 2019

Biden could say the same thing because he really was, although I have no doubt Biden could do it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,893 posts)
12. We shall see.. I know I so
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:06 AM
Apr 2019

appreciate Biden joining the fight for our Democracy!.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(51,523 posts)
17. Yep. He's 4 years older than Trump, but a lot more fit. nt
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:01 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marlakay

(11,432 posts)
2. Has he evolved on pot yet?
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:18 AM
Apr 2019

Going to be hard to get youth vote if not.

I love Joe except that issue. I don’t partake but my hubby and family members do so I want it legal. Seems to help a lot of people and there should be no jail time.

Schedule 1 is insane.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NNadir

(33,482 posts)
5. My two sons are young men. Happily for me, neither of them gives a rat's ass about pot.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:30 AM
Apr 2019

Having come of age in the 1970's, I've evolved on pot.

I think it's really, really, really, really bad for one's intellect and I oppose legalization. I don't believe in incarcerating users, but every time I'm in a place where it's legally sold, I'm depressed as hell.

The first such place that I ever saw was Amsterdam. One could see that it was once a beautiful city. But with with barely clothed young women displayed in the windows of storefronts like merchandise - only God knows the horror - and the listless people walking the streets, well, I have no use for drugs and no use for legal prostitution.

None.

Some things are best left restrained.

It is a mistake to think that young people want to get wasted legally. The many fine young people I know from my sons are more interested in trying to save the world, not in getting high. My oldest son is 24, and believe me, he knows a waste case when he sees one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marlakay

(11,432 posts)
7. Wasn't saying all young but a lot
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:41 AM
Apr 2019

I was pleased this last weekend, I saw my grandson 22 at Easter brunch, he doesn’t drink or do drugs and isn’t religious just told me he wants to be healthy. Eating good too. I was proud of him for that.

He isn’t political though and not interested in college, my daughter has him working where she is manager or who knows, still playing a lot of computer games.

Mom told me she is for Biden. Younger daughter Beto. Other daughter says she hates it all now and won’t vote, I think that is because she used to vote dem and new boyfriend is on the right but doesn’t vote. I wish she would break up but you know....kids!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
18. hoo boy
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:03 AM
Apr 2019

yes INDEED

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
22. whassup ucrdem?
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:22 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
28. I agree on that
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:52 AM
Apr 2019

From what I have seen pot just makes you lazy.

I know many use it but thank goodness my family thinks it is a drug. And alcohol use is maybe a drink or beer with friends.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
33. I use an edible for my insomnia.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:40 AM
Apr 2019

Given that weed is legal in Colorado. It works, and there are no side effects.

I would much rather my daughters partake of weed than alcohol. If you use it responsibly, it is certainly healthier than booze.

I've seen what drinking can do to an individual's life. IMHO, it is far, far worse than weed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
35. Thank you for saying that. I was about to say the same thing.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:43 PM
Apr 2019

My Grandson could care less about pot! He is concerned about global warming, though. Just like me. And getting his Education.

I do not believe the average young person bent on getting an Education for their future would be fretting about a drug.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,508 posts)
36. The idea that millenials are all in on smoking weed is simply insulting...my three do
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:59 PM
Apr 2019

not smoke at all. Sure they did as kids but now they work and care way more about issues like healthcare and jobs. Legalization will and has come at the state level. The idea that you need weed to get the youth vote is insulting sort of like the idea that all POC care about voting rights for people in prison... that it is a 'Black' issue ( like all incarcerated folks are black). The POC I know are worried about jobs, healthcare and their kids just like (shocking) White people. The pot issue is not a voting issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. He's the only one with a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:26 AM
Apr 2019

That's not to say the others are not valiant and eloquent, maybe even more eloquent, but Joe is the one with the best chances.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
4. yes. we need to think of every voter, not just progressive voters or Democratic voters.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:30 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
10. Hillary would have won with only 80,000 more votes across 3 states.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:01 AM
Apr 2019

Why are you so sure no one in 2020 except Biden could beat Trump, after he lost the House in 2018?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. It's not a sure thing, but Joe has the best chance.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:17 AM
Apr 2019

Trump is a snake but he's also an entertainer and that's a winning combo. Joe has gravitas and experience, he's a living-room companion to the nation, but he also has a sense of humor. As EveHammond noted above he has wide appeal across party lines. So in a nutshell he's the one who can do it if anyone can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
15. I don't see how this kind of attitude is going to make a winner:
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:47 AM
Apr 2019

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-would-beat-trump-fist-fight-and-2020-election-poll-suggests-862642

Biden said that if he and Trump were still in high school, he would take Trump “behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.”

Trump the following day responded by tweeting, “Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy.”
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. It won't but sometimes it's necessary.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:55 AM
Apr 2019

Basically Biden out-crazied the crazy loud-mouth and called his bluff. No, it's not appropriate form of political discourse. But Trump is the one who had to admit it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
23. I just can't wait: seeing those two old guys out-crazying each other. No, thanks
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:32 AM
Apr 2019

Biden wouldn't be any more effective at that than Rubio was.

Too bad Pelosi's not running, because she's the one who most seems to put him off balance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forgotmylogin

(7,521 posts)
20. Hillary DID win on raw vote count!
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:05 AM
Apr 2019

It's the Electoral College that screwed her out of that win as I'm sure you're aware.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
6. This is the time for Joe Biden.. when we need him the most
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 12:41 AM
Apr 2019

His experience, background, connections with leaders all over the world.. this is Bidens moment

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
9. Did you hear William Weld on MSNBC tonight?
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:00 AM
Apr 2019

OMG. He was more direct than any Dem so far.

I believe he might affect the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forgotmylogin

(7,521 posts)
21. Weld looks like an actual Republican.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:09 AM
Apr 2019

And I mean that in the good sense - "classic" old-school Republican. I doubt he can wrestle the primary from McDonald, but if not, perhaps he will run as an independent spoiler.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
29. I did not know Weld
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:56 AM
Apr 2019

Worked with Hillary on Watergate. He is one sensible Republican. Said he would have members of both parties in his cabinet, same as he did as Governor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(296,893 posts)
11. I'm looking forward to his
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 01:04 AM
Apr 2019

campaign.. Thank You, highplains!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

My Name is Url

(43 posts)
24. Dive in, Joe
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 03:54 AM
Apr 2019

The political waters are perfect for you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
26. I am excited to see Joe enter the race officially
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 04:31 AM
Apr 2019

He will be good for so much and especially the debate process and taking on Trump.

And I believe the winning ticket is Harris/Biden or Biden/Harris....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quakerboy

(13,917 posts)
27. We need them all
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 05:09 AM
Apr 2019

to be out as anti trump spokespersons.

Along with all of us out to boost that message.

Honestly, The more I see our candidates coming on board to boost eachother, the happier I will be. And the ones that go hard on the infighting will be the ones I do my best to convince others to stay away from.

Trump must go, and I don't think the Republican senate will allow that, no matter what. so we have to win this election, and that means every one of these candidates and every one of their supporters need to start finding our common grounds, the things that make us strong together.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
31. Biden is a fighter
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 07:49 AM
Apr 2019

Imagine a debate where Trump starts menacingly circling Biden like he did Hillary?

Biden will tell him to go stand in one place and wait for his turn.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,863 posts)
32. I appreciate people who are passionate about their candidate.
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:10 AM
Apr 2019

I wish that everyone here could disagree with their choices without ripping any of our candidates to shreds.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
37. If Joe does nothing else, his ability to punch Trump and leave a mark will be invaluable to us all.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:19 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
38. I believe that his centrism and establishment status will be a ball and chain
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:46 PM
Apr 2019

I don't he will emerge from the debates with a lot of support

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Thing is, Tibbs, people KNOW VP Biden.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 04:11 PM
Apr 2019

There will be no surprises at the debates, especially if he manages to put his foot in his mouth at some point. After a whole series of accidental anatomical contortions during the 2008 campaign, an exasperated and fed-up Senator Obama reportedly asked his advisers, "How many times is Biden going to say something stupid?"



Of course, Russia and the right, and hostiles on the left, will leap to snow the nation with the worst possible interpretations. And of course wishful thinkers will be completely unable to understand why others don't also believe what they were eager to.

It'll be because people know Biden and like him for what he is, especially older generations who vote at higher rates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
40. It's not going to be about who is who
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:14 PM
Apr 2019

It's going to be about policies and a mass movement for very abrupt and intense change. The rules of the past are going out the window

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
41. That's what Sanders supporters would like it to be about. But they're a small fraction of the party
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:18 PM
Apr 2019

plus some independents.

See Nate Silver's latest analysis of the polls and what he says about Sanders:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287100764

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
42. It's gearing up to be the people who have to live in the future
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:03 PM
Apr 2019

Vs those who don't. The party needs to realize that.

Climate change is coming. Scientists say we have ten years to implement very radical changes or humanity is doomed. Radical change has to happen.

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

https://www.imatteryouth.org/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NNadir

(33,482 posts)
43. Basically, I'm an ABS Democrat.
Wed May 1, 2019, 09:25 PM
May 2019

Bernie Sanders represents a State that once was in the position of being the only State in the Union that did not generate electricity with dangerous fossil fuels or depend on imported electricity from dangerous fossil fuels.

This is no longer true. Sanders applauded this outcome.

http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/08/vermont-is-part-of-world-guest-post-by.html#.XMpDxuhKiM8

As a scientist, I find Sanders opinions on energy and the environment contrary to any reasonable approach to environmental sustainability, since it appears that he actually doesn't know any science.

I'm a scientist, and I've studied energy for 30 years in the primary scientific literature. I assure you that in the awful case where Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee and President, the situation will get far worse, not better.

I will vote "not Trump" in the general election, and happily that will not involve voting for Sanders, since he will not win the Democratic nomination and shouldn't win the nomination. Happily there are at least 19 Democratic Candidates who are far superior, any one of whom I could happily support enthusiastically.

Sanders is the only one I would grudgingly support, and then only in the general election, grudgingly again, because I am a scientist.

But again...he won't win, and the extent to which he and his supporters retreat into their Achilles tents to weep and wail will not serve to help.

To attach Sanders to any practical consideration of climate change is purely absurd, to the point of laughable, because what he proposes has not worked, is not working, and will not work. This has been shown by experiment. The world just sank two trillion dollars into solar and wind in the last ten years alone, with the result that the degradation of the atmosphere from the accumulation of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide is accelerating at the fastest rate ever observed.

Ten years ago, the week ending April 26, 2009, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere was 390.2 ppm. The latest such data was 413.77 at Mauna Loa, the highest level ever recorded.

We don't need a tired old man to tell us all about how wonderful solar and wind are. I say this as a tired old man myself, but not one endlessly repeating tired old ideas, but one whose exhaustion comes from having engaged in serious study of the issue.

Oh, and by the way. There's nothing to say about how we have "just" "ten years." Climate change is now. It's happening right now. It's happening because baby boomers, of which I am an example myself, like Sanders, were clueless about energy and the environment.

Now, Joe Biden is an older man even than I am, but he worked with Barack Obama, whose energy policies, particularly when Steven Chu was Secretary of Energy, were a step in the right direction, not perfect, but the best of any modern President.

I would rank Biden among my top 5 favorites, not because of his age, but because he thinks young and because he ably served the best President of my long lifetime.

I lay blame for the state of affairs with respect to climate squarely at the feet of people who hyped solar and wind energy. This is all Sanders has to say, and it's not worth the gasoline in a lawn mower.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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