Biden to announce on Thursday...will give generously!

[Demsrule86]

Former Vice President Joe Biden will launch his long-anticipated presidential campaign on Thursday, according to several people familiar with the plans.

Biden will announce his intentions in a video announcement and hold a fundraiser Thursday evening in Philadelphia. His first formal campaign event is scheduled for Monday in Pittsburgh, said the people, who were granted anonymity to speak frankly about Biden's plans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-set-to-launch-presidential-campaign-on-thursday/ar-BBWdtqg#page=2

[itsrobert]

1. Too late

Mayor Pete has won us over.

[Demsrule86]

3. Mayor Pete is a conservative Democrat....you guys know that right?

He won't win a General...won't get the states we need.

[shanny]

8. from Charles P Pierce, today:

"What was clear about the evening, especially when one considers the candidates who weren't there, is that there just isn't any room for Joe Biden this time around. A huge chunk of the party has moved on from him. There are plenty of people to run as pragmatic moderates; Klobuchar and Buttigieg did so on the stage Monday night. The left is locked up between Sanders and Warren. What does Biden bring besides name recognition, some old-line union support, and boatloads of money from sources that half his party is going to be running against?"

[UniteFightBack]

40. A huge chunk of the party has moved on...yet 2 friggin years ago he was VP... snooze. nt

[shanny]

60. lol

I agree. When the majority of the party's energy is coming from women, minorities and younger voters, a candidate with the baggage of Anita Hill, the 90s crime bill and the bankruptcy bill of 2005 is indeed likely to be a snooze.

Except for establishment Dems who desperately want a brave defender of the status quo.

Good luck with that.

[UniteFightBack]

86. Hey you need to stop with the right wing talking points. THANKS. nt

[shanny]

89. lol again

watch those TOS dude

[UniteFightBack]

96. Yes TOS is my favorite. Next Generation doesn't even come close.

[shanny]

118. aha! a comedian

that explains it

[BlueStater]

103. His actual record is "right-wing talking points"? n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. I agree with you... the Democratic Party base has SO moved on!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[UniteFightBack]

99. Yes they have and that's why he's leading in the polls.

[redstateblues]

105. Don't forget the Third Way, the corporate Democrats, all the other straw men

I am far from being "establishment", The issues you are touting will not bother young voters like they do you. Check back on Super Tuesday and you will see who dominates.

[shanny]

122. so do you think young voters are stupid or just ignorant?

btw, when I refer to "young voters", I mean Gen X on down. I think those policies will bother a lot of them, especially if someone--including the press--brings them up in a primary. Do you think that won't happen?

And why wait a year? We should know by the end of the summer, if not before.

[redstateblues]

123. Nope- but those things are ancient history

It would be like accusing Obama of being anti gay. Joe has admitted mistakes unlike your candidate. BTW Joe led the President to get right on that issue. You don't seem to mention that.

[shanny]

137. news flash, pumpkin: I don't have a candidate.

you know that's what "undecided" means, right? Right?

I will say this: I want someone that Wall St. fears and even hates. I want someone the big money boyz don't: I want someone who won't take money from lobbyists or big donors of any stripe. I want someone who is full-on committed to confronting climate change. I want someone who doesn't buy into the Washington norm on military action. I want someone who is NOT bipartisan, NOT collegial, NOT conciliatory--I want someone who welcomes the hatred of the pukes. Is there a perfect candidate for me? If I could combine several there could be, but I can't. That is why I am undecided.

BTW, I'm sure you didn't intend to deflect but what does Obama, a man who hasn't been president for two years and can never be again have to do with anything? Hmmm? Name me one candidate in the Democratic Party who doesn't get that issue right, now. Obama got it right, with Biden's help if you like, and moved forward. Has Biden ever owned up to his mistakes, on anything I mentioned? Has he apologized for them? Has he moved forward? Or is he, like some, just hoping no one brings them up? Do you think that will work, in the primary or the general?

Our definitions of "ancient history" differ. Especially when the results of that ancient history are still in our faces every fucking day.

I think Biden is a relic of another age. I think he wouldn't break single digits in any poll if people were not nostalgic for Obama, as if electing Obama again would Fix Everything...as if that was even possible. I think that is a pleasant daydream, and completely useless.

Moving on.

[larwdem]

129. joe will bloody trumps noes

Are best shot

[Demsrule86]

43. Everyone has an opinion ...but Biden is the only one who can defeat Trump.

[Demit]

62. You must be from the future. Who wins the World Series in 2020?

[Demsrule86]

63. Be as sarcastic as you want. We need three states to stop Trump...

MI,WI and PA. Biden Is the only one who can deliver those states...only exception might be Ryan.

[Demit]

66. Only someone from the future can say with certainty what will happen. And that's a fact.

Saying that Biden is the only one who can beat Trump is a mantra. It might be soothing to you, but it doesn't make it truth.

[Demsrule86]

134. Biden is likely the only one who can rebuild the blue wall. Better?

This is not an ordinary election.

[qazplm135]

76. silliness

no, he isn't the only one. Just like Bernie isn't the only one. None of our candidates is "the only one."

Anyone making that claim for any candidate is embarrassing themselves.

[Demsrule86]

80. What will be embarrassing is if I am right...and terrible too. Look at

the electoral college. Trump is going for an electoral College win...if we win three states, Trump loses. We could win millions more votes like last time and it won't matter. I like all our candidates but two. However. Except for Ryan they won't stop Trump in those three states...Mi,WI and PA.

[qazplm135]

85. but you arent right

so...

[Demsrule86]

128. So looking at the electoral college, what is your path to victory?

[qazplm135]

138. there are multiple paths for multiple candidates

Most of our candidates can win PA. Most of our candidates can win MI and WI.
I don't think any of our candidates win OH. I think some of our candidates can win NC.
I think FL will be a 1 percenter for the rest of eternity.
I don't think anyone is winning Texas this time around, but GA is the tiniest of possibilities.
I think all of our candidates win VA.
I don't really worry about IA.

[Demsrule86]

130. That is where you are wrong, certain candidates...Biden and Ryan

can win the rustbelt. The others not so much.

[UniteFightBack]

87. But but but I care about this issue and that issue and golly gee I guess beating rump is

somewhere on that list.

[Demsrule86]

131. Exactly, let's hope, there are some Democrats who want to win.,.and understand this

Is a center left country and moderates gave us the house in 18

[shanny]

67. which is another opinion

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

94. Wow, couldn't disagree more... guess, I don't have such a high opinion of tRumpy

and his chances of getting re-elected. Of course, there are Democratic candidates who, among themselves, I think stand greater and lesser chances of defeating him.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[redstateblues]

106. It ain't Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. Actually, Bernie would have the BEST chance of defeating the Nazi-in-Chief!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

135. No, he wouldn't.

[Demsrule86]

132. The idea that Trump will be easy to beat is just not true. We need the blue wall, or he wins.

He had low polls and still won in 16. This is an electoral college battle. And if you look at the map, it should concern you,

[Demsrule86]

59. I guess that is the part of the party that wants to lose.

[BlueStater]

61. "Support Biden or the orange scumbag will get another term" is a horrible campaign argument.

And it's not inspiring in the least.

[Demsrule86]

64. Are you kidding? It is the truth. And any Democrat should desire Trump's defeat above all else .

Might not be pure but it is true. I think Biden will be a great president also.

[BlueStater]

65. Oh, bullshit.

Any of our candidates can beat that asshole.

Biden is actually one of the weakest possible candidates we could nominate. There's like zero argument for his candidacy other than he isn't Trump. Wow, you're better than one of the worst human beings alive today. Congrats. Where do you stand on anything else?

Nothing in his record leads me to believe he would be a good president. He's a throwback from a bygone era and does not represent where the Democratic Party is in the year 2019. He is completely the wrong person to lead the party and country into the future.

He should have just rode off into the sunset after the Obama presidency concluded as a beloved elder statesman. Now he's going to have his record fully dissected and people will realize that he isn't actually all that great. He let his ego get the better of him and it's only going to hurt him in the end.

[shanny]

68. Exactly.

[BlueStater]

70. It's amazing to me.

Nobody wanted this guy to run 12 years ago and there was zero enthusiasm for his candidacy. Tie him to Obama and suddenly everyone is willing to overlook his dreadful record. Ridiculous.

I fully expect him to peter out though. Aside from his name recognition, he has zero advantage over all the other candidates. There's nothing that he has that everyone else doesn't do better.

[shanny]

71. It's a mystery, isn't it?

I'm sure you are right and I suspect the day he announces will be his high water mark.

[Demsrule86]

81. 12 years ago was a lifetime,

[redstateblues]

107. I like Inslee but let's get real he is going nowhere. He would be an outstanding EPA chief

or a Secretary of the Interior in a Biden Administration

[Demsrule86]

79. It issue not a campaign slogan. It is true.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

95. Not only uninspiring, but wholly untrue.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

133. It is true, Sanders will not rebuild the blue wall nor win POC In sufficient

numbers.

[Kahuna7]

75. Wow. Charles Pierce? That changes everything.....

[shanny]

77. lol

smarter than your average bear, and better spoken than I am.

beats the heck outta "Biden is the only one who can beat the maggot"-level of analysis. imo.

[Kahuna7]

78. Thanks!....

Though I did give Pierce a piece of my mind last night, as did many others. His response was to compare Biden supporters to Bernie supporters.

[BlueStater]

12. And Biden voted for the Iraq war, against gay marriage, wrote the precusor to the Patriot Act, etc.

[BlueFlorida]

16. ...

[BlueStater]

19. I bet you think that's clever.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what the hell that's supposed to mean, so I guess you'll just have to laugh alone.

[McKim]

20. Joe Biden Made the Wrong Choice on The War on Iraq

It is an unfortunate fact that Joe Biden voted for and actively supported the War on Iraq. This was a trillion dollar mistake and about a million Iraqis died. This cannot be overlooked. What a shame that a nice guy like Joe went along with the lies.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Perhaps, by biggest disappointment with Joe, especially cuz he's called an expert in foreign policy.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BlueFlorida]

39. lol

The Iraq war litmus test. 29 Democrats supported the Iraq war, including the last two defeated nominees Kerry and Clinton. Then ultra liberal John Edwards also voted for the Iraq war.

Let's have a contemporaneous issue shall we? Pulling unworn clothes from over a decade ago is only good for costume parties.

[UniteFightBack]

41. Real world Democrats are not even thinking about these 'issues'...

I mean really for fucks sake it's like broken record city.

[BlueFlorida]

42. They have nothing against Biden

so they try to scrape the bottom of the barrel which has been washed and reused a few dozen times.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. Terrible error in judgment on Joe's part... surprising given his foreign policy experience.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Yup, that's a problem for me too, that and the treatment of Anita Hill...

and a few other things. So, Joe starts off in the primary race as my bottom choice... though, I'm still willing to hear the guy out and see if, perhaps, he can splain himself.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

44. Biden is the reason Obama changed his stance on gay marriage.

[Demsrule86]

50. Biden convinced Obama on gay marriage...nice try.

[BlueStater]

54. Too bad for all the people he hurt in the nearly 20 years it took for him to come around.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/104-1996/s280

[Demsrule86]

58. Sanders complicated vision for gay marriage...people evolve.

'Obtaining Congressman Bernie Sanders’ position on the gay marriage issue was like pulling teeth … from a rhinoceros,” Freyne wrote. Freyne described repeated attempts to hear Sanders’ views on gay marriage, and the congressman only said he “supports the current process” in the state legislature. Though Sanders was not in the Vermont state legislature at the time, it was a hot topic in his home state at the time...'

“It’s an election year, yet despite the lack of a serious challenger, The Bern’s gut-level paranoia is acting up,” Freyne wrote.ecide the issue. Many prominent Democrats, including Sanders’ successor as mayor of Burlington and a gubernatorial nominee, spoke out in favor of gay marriage, but Sanders kept mum....

...But when Sanders was asked by a reporter whether Vermont should legalize same-sex marriage, he said no. “Not right now, not after what we went through,” he said...

...That same year, Sanders was asked in a debate during his first run for the Senate about a Massachusetts state court decision that legalized gay marriage. The debate moderator wanted to know if Sanders thought the federal government should overturn that decision. He responded by talking about states’ rights, which is an argument often used by politicians who have argued against federal recognition of gay marriage as well...


I believe the federal government should not be involved in overturning Massachusetts or any other state because I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue,” Sanders said in the 2006 debate...'

The article goes in to say that it was not until 2009 that Sanders voiced support for gay marriage. People have evolved on this issue.

http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/

[BlueStater]

69. Biden has consistently shown poor judgment throughout his career.

Nice that he changed some of his positions like decades later, but it's disqualifying to me that he couldn't see that being against the war in Iraq, not repealing Glass-Steagall, and supporting gay marriage were the right things to do when they were initially brought up for a vote. It's part of a long pattern with him being on the wrong side of history.

Pretty much every other candidate is superior to him as far as their records are concerned. I can't think of anything positive he brings to the table. "I'm the only candidate who can beat Trump" is a terrible message that is both uninspiring and unconvincing. If that's seriously the only argument he can make for why he's running and should be president, then he's wasting his time.

[shanny]

73. Don't forget the debacle of the Anita Hill hearing

("I just wish there was something I could have done"...from the chairman of said hearing), the 1990s crime bill (Biden's baby) and the 2005 bankruptcy bill (ditto).

This when enthusiasm in the party is being driven by women, minorities and younger voters. Say goodnight, Joe.

[UniteFightBack]

100. Hey why don't you take a break from Bashing Biden and knock your undecided candidate that you've

declared. Why kind of Democrat are you...seriously? I'm just curious because I am not spending my time tearing down the other Dem's and Bernie. But looks like you got yourself a little hobby here.

[shanny]

119. I'm a Dem

who doesn't think critiquing Biden from the left is the same as pushing right wing talking points. I mean, that's just nutty.

[UniteFightBack]

121. Just vote for him after he wins the nomination and all will be forgiven. nt

[redstateblues]

108. Yawn. You posted that earlier in this thread

You have been doing your best to get people to be upset about all that and it's working about as well as the Flores smear attempt did.

[shanny]

120. truth is truth

if that isn't upsetting, maybe it should be

ciao baby

[BlueStater]

124. This stuff about Biden having the ability to take it to Trump is so asinine.

How is publicly fantasizing about beating that dipshit up behind some bleachers any less embarrassing than Rubio joking about his cock being small?

If that's an example of Biden "taking it to him", then I very well may cringe myself to death before I even get to vote.

[Demsrule86]

136. What almost 50 years ago? He was vp...good luck with the old smears...not.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

98. The first of those votes is enough for me to put Joe at the back of the pack.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Skittles]

15. I really wish people would stop calling him "Mayor Pete"

it sounds juvenile

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Thought I read somewhere that Mayor Pete LIKES to be called Mayor Pete...

due to people's difficulty in pronouncing his last name. I could be wrong about that, but, seem to recall reading a direct quote from HIM saying so.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Skittles]

33. his name is not hard to pronounce, it's just unusual

you should only need to be told once

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. I agree... just reporting what I read somewhere.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Skittles]

36. I worked with an Indian guy whose name had, like, seventeen letters

he graciously allowed everyone to call him Ab

now that name WAS really difficult

[Demsrule86]

45. He is in trouble over a fired Black police chief and racist cops.

The tapes will be released.

[WeekiWater]

72. Please read up on that. He is in less trouble than you think and appears to be doing the right thing

I don't think you should attack him on this one. Even if the tapes are as bad as some claim they might be, Buttigeig is still taking the proper actions.

[Amimnoch]

35. He embraces addressed that way.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Skittles]

37. that may be so

but he's running for president, he needs to be addressed in a less juvenile fashion

[Amimnoch]

38. President of the United States,

Is not a King. There is a looong history of presidential nicknames, and catch phrases going for them, and many more than a few were technically juvenile.

Andrew Jackson’s detractors referred to him as “Jack Ass”, and in turn he both embraced it and made it the symbol of the Democratic Party.

Martin Van Buren was called, and referred to himself as “old KinderhooK” after his hometown.

James K Polk as “young hickory” because he was a protege of Andrew Jackson’s.

Abraham Lincoln - “Uncle Abe”

Chester Arthur - “Chet”

Theodore Roosevelt - “Teddy”

“Ike”, “the Gipper” ..

Heck in this race we have “uncle Joe”

Some are given by friends/allies, others by opponents, most make candidates and Presidents themselves more memorable. And for a Representative Republic, especially during election time, do more to make candidates more relatable (when flattering at least).

I love your protectionism of such a great candidate who happens to be in my top list, but I do most sincerely feel your dislike in this particular case is misplaced.

He obviously supports the moniker, his supporters say it adoringly, and isn’t something being used on him by opponents detractors.

Frankly, if he keeps raising in the polls, I anticipate the disparaging names that will be thrown his way by opposition will be utilizing his last name more than his first.

[Skittles]

83. I didn't say people can't have nicknames

I think it sounds JUVENILE

[Funtatlaguy]

113. Orange Menace

[gldstwmn]

90. You mean like Beto?

[Demsrule86]

51. You know he is conservative and about the fired police chief right?

I wouldn't vote for him for fear he makes deals about social security and Medicare with the GOP.

[Skittles]

82. is that an actual question?

no, I do not think he is an asshole consverative

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Mayor Pete's a "conservative Democrat"...really? Do tell! More of one than Joe?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[fatrick]

4. Agreed

We all love Biden, but the boat has left the station.

The battle now is Bernie vs Pete ... one will go on to vanquish the moron.

[Thekaspervote]

5. The boat left... without bernie

[Demsrule86]

7. Yep...even New Hampshire I d nt that good for him.

[BlueFlorida]

17. Biden will get an announcement bump

and the media will focus on him. Bernie has already peaked.

[gldstwmn]

91. Maybe it should include a woman?

Just sayin.

[Demsrule86]

6. Oh please. Bernie won't win a primary.

Iowa is almost a year away. Super Tuesday and the South...will end his chances.

[shanny]

9. just like last time

oh, wait

[fatrick]

10. You're looking at the wrong data

Don’t worry about a year from now, the battle is over by then. Look to the now. Bernie is an unstoppable force that’s going to take the Democrats straight into the Whitehouse.

[BlueFlorida]

18. ...

[Thekaspervote]

22. +1000

[Demsrule86]

46. I disagree. As ND Biden is the only one who can beat Trump...

No other candidate will. Let's hope some see the true picture .

[Hortensis]

55. Agree with the others, Fatrick. Sanders' support is less than

half what it was in 2016. And Biden's been the leader for months, before he's even announced. As you say, people like Biden, and he's not only an elder statesman people have known for a long time but genuinely nice.

[elleng]

2. Pleased to see this.

I'm contributing to NO ONE, as my past LACK of success with such doesn't suggest my 'wishes' are well favored by the 'elements!'

[Cha]

11. Mahalo, Dems!

Best of Luck to VP Biden

[Demsrule86]

47. Mahalo !!

[redstateblues]

115. Mahalo!! (what is the translation for that Cha?)

[stonecutter357]

52. +1000

[lapucelle]

56. Did you hear that the boat left the station??

English idioms are so tricky.

[Cha]

57. Oh yes.. Mixed

metaphors.. or something! lol

[redstateblues]

109. Go Joe!! Beat Trump.

[Cha]

111. ..

[LakeArenal]

13. I will be donating to Joe

[BlueFlorida]

14. Me too

[Thekaspervote]

23. Me 3

[redstateblues]

110. Me 4

[ucrdem]

21. Great to hear.

I think he played a good game but it's probably time to dive in. Good luck Joe!

[Peacetrain]

24. You can count on me!!

[SunSeeker]

25. David Axelrod said Biden is the one the Trump people are most afraid of running against.

He said on Anderson Cooper tonight that "the Trump people and Republicans will tell you they fear [Biden] the most, "and they fear him because he is the one who "has a reach into those white older working clas voters who are part of the Trump base, particularly in the upper midwest." Ax said "remember, Trump HAS TO win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, again; there really isn't another state where he is likely to pick up electoral votes, and Biden is a block on that." However, Ax went on to note that "the paradox is, the very qualities that make him an appealing candidate to those particular voters" may make him "out of step" and "uncompetitive" with today's Democratic Party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Of course Rethugz say they fear Joe... like the rabbit who says don't throw me in the briar patch...

don't fall for it folks!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[UniteFightBack]

88. Do you know or have spoken to any Republiscums or Deplorables? It doesn't sound like it because

the ones I talk to...INCLUDING DEPLORABLES....say they don't fear Biden.

THEY SAY THEY LIKE HIM. So as my dear old mother used to say ....I'll put that in my pipe and smoke it, and of course I mean that literally.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. I THINK you're agreeing with me, but, not sure of what you're saying, sorry.

If the deplorables you're talkin to are saying they don't fear Biden, and being TRUTHFUL - big assumption I know!! - then those publicly saying they fear Biden the most ARE using what I call "don't throw me in the briar patch" reverse psychology... or, you saying something different?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

125. Fox gave Sanders a Town Hall packed with his supporters.

They treated him with kid gloves.

[Demsrule86]

48. 'Today's Democratic party' could cost us the general and help reelect Trump.

[shanny]

74. like they lost the 2018 elections? um, ok

[UniteFightBack]

104. Moderates won the day in 2018. Oops I said a dirty word. nt

[Demsrule86]

126. Moderates won back the house.

[Cha]

49. We shall see.. thanks for that report

from Axe, SunSeeker.

I'm rooting for all Dems in the primary(top tiers).. except a couple.

I want the one who has the best chance to beat the anti-Christ.

[larwdem]

26. Best hope

I thing he's the best hope we have to stand up to trump. If he wins
I think he can do what Obama wanted to do but was blocked
because of the raciest GOP. Not trying to start a fight just my
opinion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. I strongly disagree, but, certainly respect your opinion. If Joe wins, he'll certainly get my vote!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[larwdem]

32. That's fair

I will vote for the winner.

[stonecutter357]

53. K&R

[flamingdem]

84. Time to get in gear

[Kurt V.]

101. zzzzz

[redstateblues]

114. Warren is great-she should have run in 2016

As good as she is, her campaign is just not getting traction. I do think she would make an outstanding President, I just don't think she can win.

[Kurt V.]

117. i respect your opinion. Hopefully she will get traction down the road

[redstateblues]

112. Joe is the only Dem who can rebuild the Blue Wall-PA, MI, WI

If we don't win those states we are toast

[Demsrule86]

127. Yes...it seems a no Brainer to me that BIDEN can win the general.