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Lunabell

(5,920 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:29 PM Apr 2019

According to this article 13% of men won't vote for a woman for president.

The findings come as at least half a dozen women — including Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) — have said they will seek the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential race.

The report points to an “imbalance” in coverage of women seeking office versus men and cites an article in POLITICO about complaints that Democratic hopeful Beto O’Rourke received inordinate media coverage compared with female candidates when he entered the race.

"While members of the media have engaged in public reflection about gender bias in reporting, the imbalance continues," it says. "For example, when Beto O’Rourke announced his candidacy for president, he received media coverage that dwarfed the attention paid to similar announcements by women candidates, even as some of that coverage criticized him for seeming to be unaware of his

https://www.politico.com/news/bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-election

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According to this article 13% of men won't vote for a woman for president. (Original Post) Lunabell Apr 2019 OP
link doesn't work artislife Apr 2019 #1
I think this is the correct article marylandblue Apr 2019 #9
Thanks for the links. nt artislife Apr 2019 #12
I believe it. spicysista Apr 2019 #2
So it's probably more like 20-25% or even 30% Dream Girl Apr 2019 #3
That was my thought as well genxlib Apr 2019 #5
Me too. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #22
Mine also. Hortensis Apr 2019 #25
Oh, I agree. The 13% are only the ones who are proud to admit it. nt Nay Apr 2019 #30
Put another way, 87% of men will vote for a woman for President. Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Lunabell Apr 2019 #8
No it is not. This is why if we run a woman we lose, there too many GD Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #41
Tell me more, please... Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #44
I am a woman ...and I know the misogyny out there. I do not believe any woman Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #45
Nope. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #50
A woman did not win the electoral college... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #57
No, this is just your opinion. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #64
Who occupies the Whitehouse? And our woman candidates have a combined total of what 20%? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #68
You'll then support your premise (women can't win the Presidency) with objective facts, yes? LanternWaste Apr 2019 #70
It I as not fact based ...it is an opinion based on experience. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #71
I want a woman president as a woman. I supported Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72
Yet Hillary still got 3 million more votes. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #49
She didn't win the states we needed. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #58
It is unsurprising but still irrelevant genxlib Apr 2019 #6
Oh I think some might vote for Bernie, Biden or Beto, they just couldn't bring themselves Dream Girl Apr 2019 #10
It is true for Black men too.,.I have seen it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #42
Correct. zackymilly Apr 2019 #47
They might vote for Biden or Ryan. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #46
If Nothing Changes, Nothing Ever Changes... dlk Apr 2019 #7
Well it sure won't change if Trump wins in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43
I'll Bet It Is Even Higher for Women! DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #11
After watching NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern artislife Apr 2019 #13
We have a woman President. Her name is Hillary Clinton, and the office was stolen from her. shenmue Apr 2019 #14
I think it's more about how female leaders are treated than open unwillingness to vote for a woman. marylandblue Apr 2019 #15
So repugs, & we know repugs are the only misogynous party, won't vote for our candidates, well yaesu Apr 2019 #16
That's not what the article says at all. No where is the claim "won't vote for a woman" made. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2019 #17
Sadly, I bet it's the same or higher for women. cwydro Apr 2019 #18
Why do you say 13% of "men"? former9thward Apr 2019 #19
I know a few women who wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a female Kaleva Apr 2019 #29
Me too. Important point, Former9th. I've known a lot of Hortensis Apr 2019 #75
5 Women Candidates Polling 20% Combined. Are Others Surprised by this? Indykatie Apr 2019 #20
most of that has to do with name recognition JI7 Apr 2019 #23
No saddened but not surprised. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #60
INCELS, think of Stephen Miller JI7 Apr 2019 #21
I think the vast majority of men Andy823 Apr 2019 #24
I believe a woman would kind of throw djt off his game. Irishxs Apr 2019 #26
Men with bitter divorce experience at140 Apr 2019 #27
"...13 percent of both men and women now think that women are less suited for politics than men..." Iggo Apr 2019 #34
The survey actually states that 13% of men AND women think that women are less suited for politics Kaleva Apr 2019 #28
Nominating a female reduces margin for error Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #36
Interesting thoughts Kaleva Apr 2019 #38
The survey also doesn't say they wouldn't vote for a woman! Only that... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #77
Yes, the headline of the OP is false and it ought to be edited Kaleva Apr 2019 #78
What percent of people who absolutely will not vote for a woman also absolutely will not vote for RockRaven Apr 2019 #31
My brother told me he will not. CousinIT Apr 2019 #32
Just a guess....he's never had a date in his life? n/m RhodeIslandOne Apr 2019 #55
Not surprisingly, no. n/t CousinIT Apr 2019 #65
These people would never vote for a Democrat anyway elias7 Apr 2019 #33
But if women say we want a woman as President mcar Apr 2019 #35
You are correct. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #48
I don't think we will see a woman president for at least another generation. Hillary was lunamagica Apr 2019 #37
Yes and no karynnj Apr 2019 #40
One point consider is th article says this 3 time more likely for Republicans karynnj Apr 2019 #39
Wow that sounds really low. Bet it's at least 50% Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #51
30-35% of Americans would never vote for a Democrat no matter what the gender.... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #52
And now Seth Moulton's vying with Tim Ryan for the misogyny vote. Hortensis Apr 2019 #53
Tim Ryan is no misogynist. He is a good guy actually and could win Ohio. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61
Ok, how about selfishly ambitious and willing to use misogyny Hortensis Apr 2019 #66
He can win Ohio...Ok..you want to win? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #67
I think he could be helpful in winning Ohio for Hortensis Apr 2019 #69
Fair enough Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #73
:) Ok. Hortensis Apr 2019 #74
How many of those men would vote for any Democratic candidate? nt LAS14 Apr 2019 #54
The black guys my daughters fiance told me about always Vote democratic but Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #62
So, only 13% of men are idiots? DCofVA Apr 2019 #56
According to the study the article cited, 13% of women agreed with those men LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #59
I strongly suspect most if not all of that 13% is not relevant Amimnoch Apr 2019 #63
whatever number of "democratic" men who won't vote for a female candidate is offset by the females beachbum bob Apr 2019 #76
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
1. link doesn't work
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:32 PM
Apr 2019

But I do think there are enough men in this country who truly hate women.


And it sucks.

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artislife

(9,497 posts)
12. Thanks for the links. nt
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:48 PM
Apr 2019
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spicysista

(1,663 posts)
2. I believe it.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:35 PM
Apr 2019

I'm not discouraged, however. It simply means we must work harder to convince them that they are wrong. Our candidates can only do so much. They need us to get out and speak up, too.
Great article, Lunabell. Here is a similar article.....
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/13-americans-think-women-less-210905349.html

Here is another...... https://www.truthdig.com/articles/report-13-of-americans-still-believe-men-are-better-suited-emotionally-for-politics/

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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
3. So it's probably more like 20-25% or even 30%
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:36 PM
Apr 2019

I would imagine that there are more who won’t admit it as not a socially desireable response.

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genxlib

(5,506 posts)
5. That was my thought as well
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:40 PM
Apr 2019
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Nay

(12,051 posts)
30. Oh, I agree. The 13% are only the ones who are proud to admit it. nt
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:54 PM
Apr 2019
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Xipe Totec

(43,872 posts)
4. Put another way, 87% of men will vote for a woman for President.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:38 PM
Apr 2019

That's pretty good.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
41. No it is not. This is why if we run a woman we lose, there too many GD
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:56 PM
Apr 2019

misogynist in this country. I am a woman and it makes me angry, but we must win this election.

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Xipe Totec

(43,872 posts)
44. Tell me more, please...
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:27 AM
Apr 2019

as a woman...

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
45. I am a woman ...and I know the misogyny out there. I do not believe any woman
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:22 AM
Apr 2019

Can win at this moment. Also, in my opinion none of our undoubtedly talented women can win the rustbelt states we need. I believe Biden and possibly Ryan can win the presidency. We must win 2020 and the Path runs through the rustbelt...

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
50. Nope.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:31 AM
Apr 2019

Ryan is the way backwards.

Fuck that.

Just like proclaiming from the get go that no woman can win. Already proven wrong.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
57. A woman did not win the electoral college...
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:15 PM
Apr 2019

Trump is squatting in the White house. I don't much care who wins as long as it is a Democrat. And none of the talented women running in 20 can win a general. One of the reasons we lose is the refusal to accept our situation realistically. Biden and Ryan can win the states we need. And allowing Trump four more years by nominating an unelectable candidate would truly set us back...6/ 3 SCOTUS.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
64. No, this is just your opinion.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:32 PM
Apr 2019

Sorry. Your opinion is outdated.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
68. Who occupies the Whitehouse? And our woman candidates have a combined total of what 20%?
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:38 PM
Apr 2019

Face facts. This is a misogynistic country. I don't like it. However, we need to live to fight another day by ridding this country of Trump, and if that takes a male person...so be it.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. You'll then support your premise (women can't win the Presidency) with objective facts, yes?
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:58 PM
Apr 2019

"Face facts..."

You'll then support your premise (women can't win the Presidency) with objective facts (rather than a post hoc ergo promper hoc fallacy), yes?

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
71. It I as not fact based ...it is an opinion based on experience.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:34 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
72. I want a woman president as a woman. I supported
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:38 PM
Apr 2019

Hillary totally...she should have won. But I don't see any of the women candidates winning a primary or a general in 20. I do believe this country is to sexist to elect a woman president.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
49. Yet Hillary still got 3 million more votes.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:29 AM
Apr 2019

And then some. We all know the election was stolen from her. There is no question that a woman can win. The question is if we can secure our voting system to the point where it won’t be stolen from her.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
58. She didn't win the states we needed.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:17 PM
Apr 2019

She was the most talented of any presidential candidates. It should not have been close enough to steal.

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genxlib

(5,506 posts)
6. It is unsurprising but still irrelevant
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:41 PM
Apr 2019

Those neanderthals wouldn't be voting for our candidate under any circumstances

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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
10. Oh I think some might vote for Bernie, Biden or Beto, they just couldn't bring themselves
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:47 PM
Apr 2019

To pull the lever for a woman. And that is probably true for both black and white men

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
42. It is true for Black men too.,.I have seen it.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:57 PM
Apr 2019
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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
47. Correct.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:28 AM
Apr 2019

Several black men that I work with told me they would not vote for Hillary for president because she was a woman. After the election, they told me they didn't go to the polls at all because of this.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
46. They might vote for Biden or Ryan.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:22 AM
Apr 2019
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dlk

(11,433 posts)
7. If Nothing Changes, Nothing Ever Changes...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:42 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
43. Well it sure won't change if Trump wins in 20.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:57 PM
Apr 2019
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DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
11. I'll Bet It Is Even Higher for Women!
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:47 PM
Apr 2019

No one is more critical of women than other women. I've been married three times, all worked, and all were emphatic that they'd NEVER work for another woman! It shocked me, as I spent much of my career working for a woman with no issues. And I can't tell you the number of women I've know who are in constant conflict with their own mothers. I think it is an issue, and a concern, as I'm currently looking at a Harris/Pete ticket.

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artislife

(9,497 posts)
13. After watching NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:50 PM
Apr 2019

who can honestly say that a woman is NOT able to lead a country.


She lead like a woman and that is her power!

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shenmue

(38,501 posts)
14. We have a woman President. Her name is Hillary Clinton, and the office was stolen from her.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:52 PM
Apr 2019
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. I think it's more about how female leaders are treated than open unwillingness to vote for a woman.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:55 PM
Apr 2019

It is impossible for a woman to get it right. She's either too ambitious or too weak. Too emotional or too cold. Smiles too much or not enough. Too aggressive or not assertive enough. The media may point this out from time to time, but they are among the worst offenders, with both male and female reporters playing into the stereotypes with, "People say she's..."

So even if 100% of men and women say they would be willing to vote for a woman, they still might not vote for any actual woman. This is unfortunate because I think we have a lot of good women running this year. But I don't think it's in the cards yet and the biased media coverage is reflecting that.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
16. So repugs, & we know repugs are the only misogynous party, won't vote for our candidates, well
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:05 PM
Apr 2019

no surprise here.

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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
17. That's not what the article says at all. No where is the claim "won't vote for a woman" made. n/t
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:10 PM
Apr 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Sadly, I bet it's the same or higher for women.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:10 PM
Apr 2019

I’ve seen evidence of it right here.

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former9thward

(31,802 posts)
19. Why do you say 13% of "men"?
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:11 PM
Apr 2019

That is not what the article said.

Roughly 13 percent of Americans still think men are “better suited emotionally” than women to hold office, according to a survey by the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/about-1-in-8-americans-think-men-are-better-suited-emotionally-for-office-survey-finds/ar-BBVYyTv

Oddly they did not break down the percent of men and the percent of women who have this belief.

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Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
29. I know a few women who wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a female
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:27 PM
Apr 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
75. Me too. Important point, Former9th. I've known a lot of
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:18 AM
Apr 2019

females who appeared to be "modern" but were actually hostile toward empowered women. At this point I'm remembering the antagonism among too many women toward Nancy Pelosi, the highest ranking woman in American politics.

I always suspected Clarence Thomas's little clique of admiring female clerks who testified for him against attorney Anita Hill probably had something like that going on, in addition to the typical alignment with male authority.

Then there are all those whose beliefs don't allow it. Known and know a bunch of those too.

I'm with those who suspect this 13% is way low if you count all those who won't be voting for a woman because of her gender, as opposed to those who would never vote for a woman period.

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Indykatie

(3,691 posts)
20. 5 Women Candidates Polling 20% Combined. Are Others Surprised by this?
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:43 PM
Apr 2019
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JI7

(89,173 posts)
23. most of that has to do with name recognition
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:47 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
60. No saddened but not surprised.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:18 PM
Apr 2019
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JI7

(89,173 posts)
21. INCELS, think of Stephen Miller
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019
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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
24. I think the vast majority of men
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:01 PM
Apr 2019

who won't vote for a women, are trump voters anyway.

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Irishxs

(622 posts)
26. I believe a woman would kind of throw djt off his game.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:13 PM
Apr 2019
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at140

(6,110 posts)
27. Men with bitter divorce experience
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:15 PM
Apr 2019

Are the ones who will be reluctant to vote for a woman.

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Iggo

(47,487 posts)
34. "...13 percent of both men and women now think that women are less suited for politics than men..."
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 07:51 PM
Apr 2019
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Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
28. The survey actually states that 13% of men AND women think that women are less suited for politics
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:25 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:13 AM - Edit history (1)

"Overall, the fraction of Americans who believe that men are better suited emotionally for politics than most women has declined over the years.11 Only about 13 percent of both men and women now think that women are less suited for politics than men—a change of about 37 percentage points since 1975, when the average peaked at almost 50 percent. This result is heartening yet disappointing. The change over time shows a tremendous amount of progress in the notion of equality of the sexes. By 2018, the fraction of Americans who believe that women are less suited emotionally for politics had declined by a full 5 percentage points compared to just four years earlier. That’s good news for the record number of women currently running for the Democratic nomination. At the same time, however, the mere fact that a solid 13 percent of Americans continue to think that women are less suited for politics than men could cause candidates to lose elections ("

https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Women_in_Politics.pdf

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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
36. Nominating a female reduces margin for error
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:24 PM
Apr 2019

I have made that point since joining this site in 2002. Hillary was my favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime but I fully understood she had very low upside in 2016. Hillary needed to be nominated in 2008, when the national slant was so severe in our favor that the situational boost would have been more than enough to push her over the top. Then once she fixed the Bush economy the stigma against female nominees would have been gone. It will never be fully recognized how much we forfeited by failing to nominate a female in 2008. That type of situational boost is almost never available during a presidential year, in contrast to midterms when it is quite common.

Then we could have had a charismatic male in Obama waiting in the wings for the much more problematic 2016 cycle, after we held the White House for 8 years.

This time my two favorites are Beto and Klobuchar but I can easily separate them by recognizing that the male has far greater opportunity to be elected. No other variable matters in a thought process like that. People screw up perspective all the time by looking at dozens of dizzying factors instead of one or two pivotal ones.

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Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
38. Interesting thoughts
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 09:23 PM
Apr 2019

Democrats controlled both chambers in the 111th Congress (January 3, 2009 – January 3, 2011).

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thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
77. The survey also doesn't say they wouldn't vote for a woman! Only that...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:02 AM
Apr 2019

...they think men are "better suited emotionally for politics." That does not mean that they would not vote for a woman. For one thing, that is not the only thing influencing someone's vote. For another, the particulars of a particular female candidate vs. a particular male candidate would come into play regardless of what someone believes as a generality.

The OP's headline is just completely wrong, and many people here are responding assuming it's true. That's how misinformation spreads...

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Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
78. Yes, the headline of the OP is false and it ought to be edited
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

An I ought to edit my own post headline as it isn't true what I said.

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RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
31. What percent of people who absolutely will not vote for a woman also absolutely will not vote for
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 06:57 PM
Apr 2019

a Democratic nominee?

Because I suspect there is a hell of a lot of overlap. If the overlap is 100% then there is nothing to worry about -- those people will certainly not vote for our nominee anyway, so who cares if there is a second reason?

What becomes relevant to a discussion of primary candidates is when people are open to voting for a Democrat in theory, but won't vote for a Democrat with this or that specific characteristic.

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CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
32. My brother told me he will not.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019

He despises women. He made it clear he will never vote for one.

When Hillary won the nomination in 2016, he became a Republican and supported Trump.

There you go.

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RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
55. Just a guess....he's never had a date in his life? n/m
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019
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CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
65. Not surprisingly, no. n/t
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Apr 2019
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elias7

(3,976 posts)
33. These people would never vote for a Democrat anyway
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 07:39 PM
Apr 2019
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mcar

(42,210 posts)
35. But if women say we want a woman as President
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:05 PM
Apr 2019

we're "vagina voters."

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Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
48. You are correct.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:18 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
37. I don't think we will see a woman president for at least another generation. Hillary was
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:39 PM
Apr 2019

our best shot to break the glass ceiling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
40. Yes and no
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:39 PM
Apr 2019

She was the first woman to get the nomination. This after being a favorite of many in the media and establishment on the left since 1992. However, she had both extremely strong pluses AND well entrenched negatives. Had she been the nominee in 2008, a strong year for us, she probably would have won.

It might also have been that it was year where many were looking for change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
39. One point consider is th article says this 3 time more likely for Republicans
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:31 PM
Apr 2019

Then they ignore that point and say women start out 13 points behind. In fact, most of the Republicans will vote for the Republican, no matter what gender the Democratic nominee is.

So, the question comes down to needing more information than given. Were Democrats who said they were more comfortable with men asked if and who they voted for in the 2016 general election or who they would vote for between a Democratic woman and Trump. They might still, however reluctantly, be for the Democrat.

The same goes for Independents.

Only knowing that additional information would tell you if there would be a real difference just dependent on gender. Note, this is 180 degrees from the pre 2016 punditry that HRC would put college educated Republican women as likely HRC voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
51. Wow that sounds really low. Bet it's at least 50%
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:34 AM
Apr 2019

Here in TX. Even women won't vote for women here. Number one bigotry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
52. 30-35% of Americans would never vote for a Democrat no matter what the gender....
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:47 AM
Apr 2019

So honestly that 13% is surprisingly low to me.

But unlike a lot of folks on here what this means to me is that we have to have a nominee that will inspire people and signal change and a direction forward and who will get people out to the polls due to their excitement.

Others would rather focus on that 13% as an excuse to concede to those people's backward way of thinking before we even technically start primary season.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. And now Seth Moulton's vying with Tim Ryan for the misogyny vote.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019

Well, the party has a solid minority of conservatives/conservative leaners, so they get their candidates too. Hope they didn't hope for better quality.

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Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
61. Tim Ryan is no misogynist. He is a good guy actually and could win Ohio.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:21 PM
Apr 2019

No Republican has ever won the presidency without Ohio.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Ok, how about selfishly ambitious and willing to use misogyny
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:04 PM
Apr 2019

to advance himself? Like most conservative leaning Democrats, most of his positions are potentially liberal enough to pass for a lot of our voters, at least since he decided to switch and support abortion.

But we're in a battle for the future of our nation, and his repeated efforts to make trouble in the house do not appeal to this liberal, and his efforts to oust Pelosi from the critical position of speaker were inexcusable. At that point, the house simply had no other candidate who even came close to her exceptional talent, experience, power and stature, and respect from her peers.

Note that Ryan is not exactly admired by those peers. He initially offered himself for speaker even though he had no leadership experience whatsoever (!!!), and of course his peers turned him down emphatically. Their own careers and hopes and dreams for serving their nation depend on having a strong speaker. Someone most dislike and don't respect, who's ruled himself out for even a modest leadership position, just won't do.

Exceptions, of course, were his fellow blue dogs who needed his help to oust Nancy, with whom he was able to force a probable term limit on the ONE woman among the 12 top leaders of the two parties. Six Democrats, and he felt no need to impose term limits on any of the 5 men?

And THIS mostly failed effort is the only thing that makes him stand out among at least 18 candidates who can match and/or trump his liberal positions. He also, critically, has no achievements that make him stand out even from his 224 house colleagues, and, critically, he has no other qualifications to be president.

To my mind, in this period of great national emergency, his willingness to hurt our party for really stupid self aggrandizement (WHAT did he gain?) reveals him to be seriously lacking the right stuff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
67. He can win Ohio...Ok..you want to win?
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

He doesn't like Nancy- I do...and we elected 31 moderates in 2018 so we have to acknowledge that is where the votes for an electoral college victory will come from in WI, PA and MI...Ohio would seal the deal...if we lost one of those states...Trump is way worse than Ryan ever could be. We are looking at four more years of Trump if we don't take care...and learn the lessons of 18.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. I think he could be helpful in winning Ohio for
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:51 PM
Apr 2019

our party in the GE, if he will campaign hard for our candidates and avoid offending women voters, but that his biggest contribution will probably be keeping his congressional seat in the Democratic caucus.

We've both made a case. Many desirable positions are achieved by people whose only outstanding talent is for self aggrandizement; whether they manage to hold onto them depends on the rest of what they bring. I think what he's shown us is most of what he is, including some unfortunate traits have already crippled his ability to rise within our party leadership. You think there's more.

So let's leave it here for now and see how he performs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
54. How many of those men would vote for any Democratic candidate? nt
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:43 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
62. The black guys my daughters fiance told me about always Vote democratic but
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:23 PM
Apr 2019

won't vote for a woman. I don't like it but it is true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DCofVA

(714 posts)
56. So, only 13% of men are idiots?
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:36 AM
Apr 2019

I find that hard to believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
59. According to the study the article cited, 13% of women agreed with those men
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:18 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
63. I strongly suspect most if not all of that 13% is not relevant
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:29 PM
Apr 2019

I really doubt many if any of that 13% would be likely to vote for any Democratic Party candidate of any gender. This number represents the openly unapologetic, and aware sexist population.

The number, that isn’t really able to be polled, are the ones that feel they would vote for a woman, but when it actually comes down to it will hold female candidates to an unequal standard making the “earning” of their vote near impossible.. but they “would” vote.

It’s that age old insidious Misogyny of, if she’s tough, then she’s too much of a “bitch” or “shrill” or “unlikable”. If she’s physically attractive, then she can’t possibly be smart enough to be President. If she’s got children, how could she POSSIBLY take care of her family and such a demanding job? If she’s a high road candidate, then she’s too nice and passive and “female” to be President.

That’s the kind of ridiculous, disgusting, and atrocious bullshit our female candidates have to overcome that men don’t.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
76. whatever number of "democratic" men who won't vote for a female candidate is offset by the females
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:09 AM
Apr 2019

that will

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