Kamala/Pete or Pete/Kamala 2020?

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Could this combination be our power ticket?

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	Kamala/ Pete
	19 (46%)
	Pete / Kamala
	6 (15%)
	Either combination works for me!
	6 (15%)
	Just Kamala
	3 (7%)
	Just Pete
	1 (2%)
	None of the above
	6 (15%)
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[California_Republic]

1. 4 years of Sanders then Pete?

[dhol82]

2. No.

[Lisa0825]

11. no

[crazytown]

52. ?

He brings in the Midwest, Millennials, Vets. Was backed by Howard Dean and Martin O’Malley for DNC Chair. Rhodes scholar who chose public service. You don’t like him?

[Lisa0825]

70. #AnyActualDemocrat

[crazytown]

73. Sorry. Didn't see this was a thread about Sanders then Pete

One way or another there’s not going to be a President Sanders. No one can rescue him in a GE.

[thesquanderer]

18. So maybe a Sanders/Pete ticket? (n/t)

[rzemanfl]

20. No. n/t

[leftofcool]

21. Hell no!

Pete now! Then Stacy Abrams

[AlexSFCA]

31. Actually Abrams maybe a better pick for Pete's VP

Harris wouldn’t add much to the ticket, Abrams would make Georgia in play for the first time in decades and maybe will help to win over FL.

[ecstatic]

32. I like that idea (Pete/Stacey), but

disagree with your statement about Harris not adding much to the ticket. She's been laying low for a while, which is good. Keeps her from burning out too quickly. Pete has no choice but to flood the airwaves because he's new on the national stage.

[AlexSFCA]

34. he is not just new, he is one in a generation kind of political talent

that gets traction quickly. He can’t just flood airways, he hasn’t even spent much yet. He is invited everywhere cause he is getting enormously popular. Besides, his LGBT status is a huge advantage when it comes to media. Harris is accomplished but I don’t think she is in the same league when it comes to political talent. She is more policy driven and her former prosecutorial background is part of it. Pete is a vision and inspiration driven, that what gets presidents elected as they are not legislators (Congress makes laws, presidents set vison).

[MrsCoffee]

42. Why would you say that Harris doesn't add anything to the ticket?

[AlexSFCA]

44. She is most appealing to democratic strongholds

where we already win. Abrams is very popular in Georgia where she probably won if not for fraudulent voters purge. Unfortunately, Harris has become a controversial figure in San Francisco - Espinoza case. While district attorney in SF, she decided not to pursue death penalty for a gang memeber who killed a police officer. This can sink her in general election.

[MrsCoffee]

46. Meh.

She has a lot to add to the ticket and I look forward to her proving it.

[AlexSFCA]

49. like what?

[MrsCoffee]

51. She appeals to the Democratic base.

The ones that actually show up to vote.

She is ranked the most progressive Senator. She has raised a ton of money (2nd to Bernie). She is against for profit college, for M4A, helped usher in marriage equality, sits on some pretty important Senate committees, etc. etc.

She is wicked smart, has a ton of charisma and is very electable. We would be incredibly lucky to have her on our ticket.

[IndyOp]

36. +1

[Skidmore]

68. Yes.

Stacy Abrams should not be denied.

[Mars and Minerva]

22. um...no. nt

[crazytown]

53. ?

(as posted earlier) He brings in the Midwest, Millennials, Vets. Was backed by Howard Dean and Martin O’Malley for DNC Chair. Rhodes scholar who chose public service. You don’t like him?

[namahage]

58. I think the sentiment is more

"Why would you punish Pete by making him stay in Sanders' shadow?"

[crazytown]

59. I'm more interested in getting Sanders out of the race period.

And I don’t care who does it. IMO he would lose the GE in a fiasco. No one is certain to win but some are near certainties to lose.

[AlexSFCA]

29. NO

[BlueFlorida]

35. Absolutely not nt

[DesertRat]

48. No. nt

[Decoy of Fenris]

3. Truth told, with how both are polling I think that -right now- it'd be a losing ticket.

Harris is polling terribly even among the southern states and with African Americans, and Buttigieg seems to have plateaued for now. I think we really need to see more out of both of them to consider either of them for any position at this exact moment in time. The debates should help handily solve this, and I'm looking forward to seeing how they ramp up against Biden and to a lesser extent Sanders.

[AlexSFCA]

37. if we learned anything at all in 2016 - is ignore polls

[workinclasszero]

54. You can't ignore lack of support or funds or campaign volunteers though

Gonna be a big shakeout by Iowa if not before.

[rogue emissary]

4. None of the above.

Don't see him joining or picking a woman or person of color.

[Bettie]

6. Why do you say that?

Just curious.

[rogue emissary]

14. He and a few other are running on the "I can reach Donny voters" mantra.

If he wins the primary. Those voters won't accept a woman or person of color on his ticket.

Those that run on the "I can reach Donny voters". Don't want to acknowledge that and chastise people like me that think it's better to make sure your voter can actually vote etc.

[Bettie]

15. That's a fair point

I don't think he's only focused on people who voted for orange hitler though and he seems to be a basically decent guy.

[rogue emissary]

17. Sorry if I gave that impression, but I also don't think he's only focused on them.

Running a winning campaign is about data, and he has a blind spot when it comes to seeing beyond that data. It's a problem that caused his failures as mayor.

If he wins and believes that win came because he pulled Republican voter to his side. He's not going to turn around and make the calculation that they will stay with him no matter his running mate.

McCain's run against Obama as a perfect example. I don't think those so-called Obama/Trump voter switched because they believed or liked Obama's message. They couldn't see themselves voting for Mccain and risking Palin becoming president. They didn't want an incompetent woman like Palin, and they hated the most qualified woman, Clinton.

I'd say the same about any of the candidates running on their suppose strength to reach the other side.

[Bettie]

24. That's why I think he's a good choice as VP

he has shown he's capable of learning from his mistakes.

But, we have a bunch of really qualified people running. Who knows what will happen in the coming months!

[artislife]

16. My roommate has Redneck family

and she doesn't see them getting past the fact that Mayor Pete is Gay. I hope she is wrong, because that should really just be an interesting fact about him and not his sum total.


It saddens me that Harris isn't doing better. I must admit, her gender and racial make up is huge for me. Yup, I just railed against identity politics and engaged in it in the same post.

But I think the Female POC viewpoint needs to be heard.

[rogue emissary]

19. Thing is I think that type (I don't use the RN term) wouldn't mind if they got two white guys.

They might not like that he's gay, but they'd vote for him like they did Obama. I think their misogyny and racism is way stronger than their homophobia.

Especial if we run two white guys. That ticket would keep power in the hands of two white men, and that's what they feared in Clinton's candidacy.

[ecstatic]

33. Interesting perspective. I guess time will tell if misogyny is stronger than

homophobia. The misogyny exposed in 2016 was really shocking to me.

[thesquanderer]

27. re: "doesn't see them getting past the fact that Mayor Pete is Gay"

I think anyone who "got over" Obama being black can get over someone being gay. And Obama got enough votes to win, twice.

[artislife]

61. I would hope

[cwydro]

56. You don't have to capitalize "gay" lol.

[artislife]

60. I wondered

then decided to err on the side of respect.

[cwydro]

62. I'm gay.

I don’t capitalize gay or straight.

Nor do I capitalize human.

[artislife]

64. My intent was not malice

I have a friend who hates it when people do not capitalize Black, which also falls under the category as human.

So I did some digging on to why I would do such a thing and this kind of sums up my intent.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-word-black-sometimes-capitalized-when-referring-to-race

To conclude: “Black” is not a race. It rather pays respect to a group of people distinguishable in their culture, history and even in their genetic make-up from any recent immigrants from Africa.

the part that refers to my capitalization, is this: It rather pays respect to a group of people distinguishable by their culture, history....

To me there is a history to the treatment to a group of humans who are gay. People are killed, shunned, denied jobs and more, as you well know.

I was just tipping my hat. Really, I did not mean to single out in a disrespectful way or in a sense of "otherness".

I now know not to capitalize the word gay and that in doing so, I may have inadvertently slighted individuals I was trying to respect.

[cwydro]

67. I didn't think there was on your part at all.

I’ve just seen it before and always wonder why.

Same with black or white.

[artislife]

69. Whew! nt

[radical noodle]

23. I don't think that's what he's doing at all

I don't think he'd ever wish to appeal to only white voters. Rev. Al said voters at the recent conference really liked Pete and the things he said.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. I know it's fun to speculate, but this is very premature. n/t

[Hekate]

10. Extremely premature

[Politicub]

7. Kamala/Pete!!!

An unstoppable duo!

[shenmue]

8. All the right wing heads will explode

[Funtatlaguy]

12. Ain't that the truth. Rednecks would go ballistic.

[Politicub]

13. And it would be SUBLIME to see!

[paulkienitz]

9. Warren/Yang.

Kick wall street's ass and also get universal basic income on the table.

I feel like Harris could be a good solid centrist candidate, after we first get some radical reform in place so it's the accepted status quo.

[AlexSFCA]

38. Warren lacks charisma and is perceived as having teacher's demeanor

not the best way to connect to voters. Love her as a senator and legislator, she is not presidential material though.

[ecstatic]

45. LOL! Keep in mind that

there's no ideal female candidate standard in our culture. Imagine if Pete were a woman. Would Ms. Pete's campaign be taking off like this? Probably not.

[artislife]

74. Now that would be an interesting ticket

Both are whip smart. And both coming representing Americans who haven't been represented at the highest office.

[Baclava]

25. There wont be any dream team combos...nobody settles for second after primary battles

Pipe dream, never happens


Tim Kaine happens

[mainstreetonce]

26. Biden did

Edwards did

[True Dough]

28. Party poopers happen!

I like the idea of President Pete but I don't think he'd turn down an offer to build his federal political resume by serving a term as VP. Why would he?

[Baclava]

30. maybe, but the wars are coming and it's going to get nasty and dirty

Egos are involved, you think Bernie is gonna pick Warren for a running mate?

ha

[AlexSFCA]

39. I think BS may pick harris if he wins

but most likey Tulsi, he loves her.

[True Dough]

41. I didn't suggest any combination would work

Hillary and Barack Obama got pretty pointed in their debates but they retained a mutual respect and admiration.

I don't see Pete being the vicious type and I think, if he falls short of the nomination, he would accept a VP spot from whoever comes out on top.

[Baclava]

47. Running mates arent chosen till just before the convention, late next summer, its a long way to go

It just seems pointless to me to play these games before the first debates, months away. Candidates need to stand on their own first, see how they shake up in real political battles. Then decide

[demtenjeep]

40. I could do this

don't really care about the top or Veep


this would be a wonderful ticket

[defacto7]

43. I'm not sure I understand the logic.

Just Pete... does that mean Pete w/o a running mate or Pete and someone besides Kamala? None of the above could mean neither for either.

I think I'll choose just Pete... I guess.

[crazytown]

65. Here's the logic as I see it -

As David Axelrod said, in a city that’s 26% his audience on Sunday was very white.

Second, after Obama and HRC, a ticket of two white men is a significant negative.

Third (maybe an eccentric view) their personalities are complimentary.

Finally, as a former prosecutor Kamala strengthens the focus of improving people’s lived experience. Pulling down derelict house and getting truant kids resonates with middle America

[mwooldri]

50. I'd be happy with [insert name] (D) / [insert name] (D).

Any Democratic nominee is vastly superior to what we have now.

[AdamGG]

55. Pete would be an awesome contrast to Mike Pence in the VP spot

Indiana gay Rhodes scholar vs. Indiana gay bashing Rhodesian.

[civiljustice]

57. I think so! Also, my concerns about Bernie/Warren

Yes, this is my dream team. Some of the legit worries that I've seen regarding the two are not unfounded, but I do think these two provide huge incentive to get out the vote:

A) Both extremely likable (each has a good combo of being warm but strong)
B) Both insanely intelligent
C) Relatively new to the scene and VERY new to the scene.
D) I actually feel like anything used against the two that is clearly homophobic or racist could create a huge backlash with independents. I've seen a few Republicans come out and support Mayor Pete already, which just boggles the mind (in a good way). He's tapping into something -- perhaps it's the calm, no b.s. demeanor.


As unfair as this is, the youth factor/sexy/hip vibe creates enthusiasm and support -- that whole "Democrats need to fall in love" sort of thing. Many people thought Obama could not win during the 2008 primary (including Hillary who actually said so explicitly), but the fact that he was new, hip, brilliant, and extremely likable, and could turn out all types of people is what I think sealed the deal. While I very much like Sanders and Warren and almost always agree with what they say, I'm worried they would be like John Kerry. They would be painted as boring, out-of-touch NE liberals. The video of Warren in the kitchen with her husband was used to depict her as an awkward nerd who is hard to connect to on a human level. I'm also not sure I see droves of college students or other groups we need, say, in Ohio voting for Warren. And do you remember Warren in the 2016 convention? There was so much hype, but I thought her delivery of the speech was rather poor; she did not connect well. Even the crowd seemed rather bored, and some could be seen just talking among themselves as if she wasn't even speaking. I was really surprised, actually. And disappointed. Unfortunately, a strong personality (even if offensive) motivates Americans.

Regarding Bernie, that curmudgeonly, oft-annoyed demeanor could wear thin? I just don't feel particularly inspired by his speeches; I feel tired. The visuals (as shallow as this is) aren't exactly awesome either -- head bandages from falls, red angry face, crazy hair... and we are still nearly two years away from any inauguration. Some may find that combo to be endearing, and maybe I would too if I thought he was talking to me instead of AT me...feels condescending sometimes. Of course, compared to Drumpf, he is absolute perfection.

So although I like them, I might be a bit worried to see them go against Drumpf. As we know, general polling is different from actual voters/turnout.

At the same time, I do hear the arguments against Mayor Pete, and how very risky it may be. As stated above, we NEED to win, so I also understand the idea that now is perhaps not the time to be taking potentially wild risks? Having said that, the heart wants what the heart wants!

Tough call. Still early, of course! I may just look at polling against Drumpf near primary election time and just go with the candidate who appears (!) to have the best shot. Because all of us know getting him out of office is of the utmost importance.

Am I way off here?

[mr_lebowski]

63. You've almost exactly nailed how I feel ... so obviously I don't think you're off at all :) (nt)

[crazytown]

66. Looking at your GOTV incentives

Likeable/intelligent/new (or atleast fresh) describes JFK, WJC and Obama. Carter was in a similar mold, but not so not up in lights.

[jalan48]

71. It's about as realistic as Harris leading in the polls here on DU.

[Persondem]

72. Neither one. If PB is on the ticket we lose. nt