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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:12 PM Apr 2020

This from a Sanders supporter:

Kyle Kulinski is the founder of Justice Democrats and now has a show on TYT. Wonder why THIS isn't condemned by the Sanders campaign or Sanders himself?

Bernie should stay in, not only because I want to vote for him but also because Biden's brain is about a week from melting out of his ears.




Some responses (there are other really vile responses):





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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This from a Sanders supporter: (Original Post) George II Apr 2020 OP
How dare you besmirch the name of a "Democrat"? DetlefK Apr 2020 #1
Some of the Bernie Twitter/Red Rose twitter are pretty lousy irisblue Apr 2020 #2
That Is What 'Bernie' Tolerates, Sir, And All That Now Supports His Faux Candidacy The Magistrate Apr 2020 #3
Said with respect, but really why post this stuff? Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #4
Kyle Kulinski is an idiot. Sloumeau Apr 2020 #5
Surely You Do Not Imagine 'Bernie' Lost, Do You? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #9
So, ask for medical records kurtcagle Apr 2020 #11
A Sound Technique, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #12
I'll rake Joe and Bernie at their word tirebiter Apr 2020 #6
I suspect they might not really be good friends and comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #18
Mr. Biden, Sir, Is a Professional And A Gentleman, Who Knows What To Say The Magistrate Apr 2020 #21
The money well must be running dry for them Legends303 Apr 2020 #7
Wait until they find out there might not be a DNC convention ... Historic NY Apr 2020 #8
I'm adopting a strict Bernie quarantine today. BlueIdaho Apr 2020 #10
Deperate Kyle Kulinski left JD at one point bc he disagreed when they Fired Cha Apr 2020 #13
... mcar Apr 2020 #14
And Bernie and his crowd DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #15
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #16
Hear Hear, Sir! The Magistrate Apr 2020 #17
We don't even know if they were Democrats in the first place. George II Apr 2020 #19
Opeartion Chaos was in operation in the early states Gothmog Apr 2020 #20
 

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. How dare you besmirch the name of a "Democrat"?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:17 PM
Apr 2020

Haven't you heard how this "Democrat" has come out against these vile attempts to split the Democratic Party?
How he has come out against people who spread republican and russian talking-points?
How he has come out against people who get a kick out of triggering them libruls?
How he has come out against people who tie the Democratic Party of today to the Ku-Klux-Klan?
How he has come out against people who say that Democrats and Republicans are both equally corrupt?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

irisblue

(32,828 posts)
2. Some of the Bernie Twitter/Red Rose twitter are pretty lousy
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:19 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
3. That Is What 'Bernie' Tolerates, Sir, And All That Now Supports His Faux Candidacy
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:19 PM
Apr 2020

Everyone ought to be clear --- he could not rein these people in, even if he wanted to. They are largely his creation, and without them, he is nothing. But 'Bernie' cannot control them, he cannot lead them. He has 'called up that which he cannot put down' and they would turn on 'Bernie' in a flash if he sought to actually negotiate in good faith, and accept terms for agreement to lend support to Mr. Biden in the general election.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,605 posts)
4. Said with respect, but really why post this stuff?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:21 PM
Apr 2020

Not wanting to argue

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
5. Kyle Kulinski is an idiot.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:23 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie's supporters are still pushing this dementia nonsense? Well, that would mean that Bernie Sanders lost the last debate to a guy with dementia. How much of a loser would Bernie have to be to lose a debate to a guy with dementia?

[link:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-sanders-debate-poll/|]

According to FiveThirtyEight.com, Joe Biden gained support by 3.4% after the debate, and Sanders lost support by 2.0% after the debate.

How much of a loser would Bernie have to be to lose a debate to a guy with dementia? Are you sure this is the argument that you want to go with, Kyle Kulinski?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
9. Surely You Do Not Imagine 'Bernie' Lost, Do You?
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:26 PM
Apr 2020

That is only the corporate media doing its part in rigging the process against
Bernie', who is actually triumphing everywhere!





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kurtcagle

(1,601 posts)
11. So, ask for medical records
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:28 PM
Apr 2020

Simple enough. Dementia is a clinical diagnosis, and can usually be detected through simple screenings. Biden's medical records have been (I believe) released, Bernie's have not. It's the same argument I use for Trump supporters that try to make it an issue. As I STRONGLY doubt that either Sanders or Trump will ever release their medical records, it becomes a moot point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
12. A Sound Technique, Sir
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:31 PM
Apr 2020
"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tirebiter

(2,520 posts)
6. I'll rake Joe and Bernie at their word
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:23 PM
Apr 2020

Bernie really really thinks there’s a hole he can slip through and behind the scenes his good friend, Joe Biden is trying to talk him down, gently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
18. I suspect they might not really be good friends and
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

it's obvious to all that Sanders has no path to the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
21. Mr. Biden, Sir, Is a Professional And A Gentleman, Who Knows What To Say
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 12:07 AM
Apr 2020

Sanders? Sanders has no friends. He just isn't that sort of a fella...





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot." .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Legends303

(481 posts)
7. The money well must be running dry for them
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:24 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
8. Wait until they find out there might not be a DNC convention ...
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:24 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
10. I'm adopting a strict Bernie quarantine today.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:27 PM
Apr 2020

He and His Supporters are all going on my Ignore list as of now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
13. Deperate Kyle Kulinski left JD at one point bc he disagreed when they Fired
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

cenk's a$$ for misogyny.

I can see by his tweets that he's just a desperate stupid ****.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DENVERPOPS

(8,677 posts)
15. And Bernie and his crowd
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:09 PM
Apr 2020

wonder why he is taking a huge nose dive in the polling. Hey Berniehumpers, Bernie and you all are sounding more and more like Trump and his radical nut job supporters each and every day, and, in addition, really getting more vile each and every day......

The guy isn't even a dem.....the DNC should just say enough is enough and just throw him out of the Dem party, therefore he can't be a presidential Dem candidate.People, we are going to put up with 3? more MONTHS of his tearing down Biden before the convention.
I swear, I am begging to wonder if Sanders has sold out to Putin and is doing his dirty work, or at least continuing to be supported with "campaign" money, not from his supporters, but channeled from Russian Oligarchs to disrupt Democrats, but mostly to destroy democracy here in the U.S.

Problem is, the DNC knows just how nasty and vindictive his followers are, and know that Bernie would just flip to being an independent and run for president. Bernie and his followers would euphorically split the vote to show the world that he is the best and Biden is the worst because their vote splitting knocked Biden out,..... little care that their actions allowed Trump to win. We are talking dejavu here folks. ala....Ralph Nader? Comrade Jill Stein?

The same precise thing happened here in Colorado years ago. Dottie Lamm and Josie Heath vs Republican for Senate seat.
Dottie Lamm was by far and away the best person for the job, no question. Josie Heath, a lot like Bernie, with supporters a lot like Bernie's, mostly from Boulder Co.

Josie, full of herself", Heath lost the dem primary. And immediately declared she was a candidate on the Independent ticket. Her band of Boulder Yuppies voted for her, stealing more than enough votes to allow the Republican to win....Heath and her voters knew DAMN well that if Lamm had taken the vast majority of voters in the Primary, that Heath and her followers, knew full well they couldn't get anywhere near enough votes to win the Senate seat. They just torpedoed Lamm to act out and be vindictive that they didn't get their way......just like impudent children, but all grown up....

By the way, if any of you folks are thinking "good ol' Hippies in Boulder", knock that silliness out of your brains......
There are still a few scattered hippy types scattered around that city, But Boulder was long ago taken over by rich yuppies, using Boulder as their bedroom community. From my dealings with heir government officials and watching their actions, they are by far more right wing, or bizarre wing than Hippy Dem leaning. Many old timers refer to the City of Boulder, as the People's Republic of Boulder.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
16. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:01 PM
Apr 2020

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on




If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what they’ve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. It’s not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the “democratic socialist” crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of “Bernie or Bust” Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda — and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
17. Hear Hear, Sir!
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:07 PM
Apr 2020

'Bernie' badly needs to sit down and shut up, and cease his destructive, divisive grandstanding.

It is time for the Party to take sides, and openly begin campaigning and raising funds for Mr. Biden. e is, after all, the only Democrat remaining in the contest.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. We don't even know if they were Democrats in the first place.
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:31 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
20. Opeartion Chaos was in operation in the early states
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 11:29 PM
Apr 2020

Operation Chaos was active in the early states including South Carolina



Some of the votes for sanders in the early states were clearly GOP voters voting for the weakest possible general election candidate.


Even with help from the GOP, sanders was not impressive in the early states
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
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