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Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:48 PM

 

6 Ways Corona Virus proved Bernie was right

Weird how we found the money to pay for all these radical things we couldn't do.

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Reply 6 Ways Corona Virus proved Bernie was right (Original post)
booley Mar 30 OP
gibraltar72 Mar 30 #1
KSNY Mar 30 #12
The Magistrate Mar 30 #15
NurseJackie Mar 30 #18
booley Mar 30 #21
The Magistrate Mar 30 #23
booley Mar 30 #28
The Magistrate Mar 30 #29
George II Mar 30 #38
Walleye Mar 30 #2
booley Mar 30 #31
Walleye Mar 30 #32
COLGATE4 Mar 30 #3
booley Mar 30 #22
George II Mar 30 #40
COLGATE4 Mar 31 #41
Demsrule86 Mar 30 #4
Thekaspervote Mar 30 #13
Demsrule86 Mar 31 #47
booley Mar 30 #24
George II Mar 30 #39
ehrnst Mar 31 #44
George II Mar 30 #5
booley Mar 30 #25
George II Mar 30 #33
ehrnst Mar 31 #45
The Magistrate Mar 30 #6
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 30 #7
trueblue2007 Mar 30 #17
showblue22 Mar 30 #8
Sloumeau Mar 30 #9
William769 Mar 30 #10
msongs Mar 30 #11
The Magistrate Mar 30 #14
BidenBacker Mar 30 #20
zentrum Mar 30 #16
ismnotwasm Mar 30 #19
PubliusEnigma Mar 30 #26
booley Mar 30 #27
The Magistrate Mar 30 #30
BidenBacker Mar 30 #34
Walleye Mar 30 #36
ehrnst Mar 31 #43
relayerbob Mar 30 #35
robbedvoter Mar 30 #37
SidDithers Mar 31 #42
Hortensis Mar 31 #46
ucrdem Mar 31 #48
Yavin4 Mar 31 #49

Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:50 PM

1. How is this helpful?

 

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:11 PM

12. It's actually very helpful if you consider the IDEAS...quality national healthcare, paid sick leave,

 

limits on corporate earnings, taxation of the wealthiest individuals and corporations, adequate government infrastructure to predict and prevent, not just react to public health emergencies.
The Covid-19 situation reveals that we are all connected even if the wealthiest take off to their second or third homes to weather the storm.
It goes beyond personality and if Biden wants to do the right thing for the future, he would do well to adopt Bernie Sanders' policies.
Thanks in advance for the insults and dismissal of this post....
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Response to KSNY (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:28 PM

15. 'Bernie' Holds No Patent On Any Of That, Sir

 

Nor does he bear any particular responsibility for people speaking up on such matters.

Regarding measures taken at present, he is absolutely superfluous. He does by now nothing but harm to the prospects for getting out of office the worst elements of the reactionary, christo-fascist right. Any sober Leninist would say that objectively, he is now the left auxiliary of the Republican party.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:17 PM

18. "...left auxiliary of the Republican party."

 

left auxiliary of the Republican party.
Daaaamn! I hadn't thought about it that way before. But you're absolutely correct!

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:09 PM

21. HGe s the one pushign for them however

 

Biden is still opposed to a single payer health care system

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/biden-says-coronavirus-hasnt-changed-his-mind-on-single-payer.html?fbclid=IwAR0Oo6bKOzeTwn4HHtYm0eVdLDnJscPFDjb0-D9oHmBzrW1vi8QooQMj2CU
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Response to booley (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:14 PM

23. Mr. Biden Is Certainly In Favor Of Expanded Insurance Coverage, Sir

 

That you think Mr. Biden not chanting just what 'Bernie' croaks out is an illustration of the problem with Sanders' and his naive supporters.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:25 PM

28. No he isn't

 

Or more accurately, anything Biden wants to do won't actually solve the problem

He is opposed to a single-payer system. He may be willing to tinker around the edges but the problem will remain.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/biden-says-coronavirus-hasnt-changed-his-mind-on-single-payer.html?fbclid=IwAR0Oo6bKOzeTwn4HHtYm0eVdLDnJscPFDjb0-D9oHmBzrW1vi8QooQMj2CU

Are we going to take Biden as his word or not?
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Response to booley (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:27 PM

29. Nonesense, Sir

 

Your argument, as it so often does among radical sorts, boils down asserting no bread is better than half a loaf.

It is not.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to booley (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:37 PM

38. No he isn't, where do you get that?

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:51 PM

2. It doesn't matter. He can't motivate enough voters. Reality

 

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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:30 PM

31. Is that all matters to you?

 

Personally I wouldn't be upset if Biden style these ideas.
These are good ideas, they have worked in other countries.

Instead, all most of the people here seem concerned about is Bernie dropping out.

Not how good a candidate Biden is (or isnt)
Not how we can fix these problems affecting the lives of millions of people.
Not how can we make sure trump doesn't go to the left which would draw away voters.

Just.. when is Bernie dropping out?

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Response to booley (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:35 PM

32. Beating trump isn't everything, it's the only thing.

 

Apologies to Vince Lombardi
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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:52 PM

3. We found "ways" to pay by exploding the defecit ever more

 

than Trump already did with his tax break for millionaires. Emergencies require taking some measures that wouldn't be considered under normal circumstances. It's trying to compare apples to oranges.
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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:09 PM

22. Single payer would save money

 

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Response to booley (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:39 PM

40. Based on what, Sanders analysts? It would NOT, no one has ever done a top-down analysis.

 

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Response to booley (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:25 AM

41. Perhaps in the long run. But the cost of establishing it

 

appears to be prohibitively high.
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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:56 PM

4. One word ..."Italy"

 

See you after the primaries...all those with Sanders pics are going on ignore...I won't watch Sanders destroy our chances in the General while those who appear to have lost their perspective cheer him on...not saying you...I am done with this primary. Sanders is finished and if he cared about beating Trump, he would suspend. See you on the other side. Let's hope it is not all berned down.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:20 PM

13. This! And has been pointed out innumerably, imagine M4a in dotard's tiny hands right now

 

The death toll would be even higher
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:40 PM

47. Yes it would. After enduring Trump and watching his attempts to destroy the ACA...I no longer want

 

a government run healthcare...I prefer the Switzerland or French model which is a hybrid system and we could get their with the ACA as the base with which to build on.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:14 PM

24. two words South Korea

 

Another word

Spain

S. Korea was able t handle its outbreaks better precisely because of their single payer system

Meanwhile, Spain has moved to a single payer system

Sorry but you are engaging in this nirvana fallacy. Single-payer isn't Utopia. But it is better than what we have now.

That's the point.

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Response to booley (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:39 PM

39. Neither has the "single payer" system that's advocated by Sanders.

 

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Response to booley (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:12 AM

44. Actually. S. Korea took aggressive action early. That was public health policy, not health care.

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:56 PM

5. We didn't "find" the money for this emergency bill, we borrowed it, and it's NOTHING...

 

....like Sanders' pie in the sky proposals.

This is an emergency bill costing less than $2T, not some radical disruption of programs costing $50T.

Is this an implication that Sanders had anything to do with the bill other than walk on the floor of the Senate 3 days after the details of the bill were worked out and negotiated, vote AYE, walk back out and head to Vermont.

So give us a synopsis of the video (I'm not clicking on it) - what in the emergency bill are "radical ideas" of Sanders'?
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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:15 PM

25. Sure how can we possibly do what EVERY OTHER COUNTRY int hr world did long ago

 

Nice Canadian flag btw
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Response to booley (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:38 PM

33. You're incorrect in saying that "EVERY OTHER COUNTRY int hr world did long ago"...

 

...(copied verbatim, btw), far from it.

As for my Canadian flag, WTF does it matter to you?
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Response to booley (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

45. the ACA is the UHC in the US - it was crippled before it was fully implemented.

 

No, not every other country has UHC, and few of those have single payer...

Most EVERY OTHER COUNTRY uses a hybrid system which is more like the ACA than single payer.

Nearly EVERY OTHER COUNTRY got started a lifetime ago, and did not start from a baked in system that needed to be upended, let alone in two years...

But I guess it doesn't sell books to state the obvious.

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:56 PM

6. Nonesense, Sir

 

The injection of money into the economy at present by government fiat is an attempt to make up for the tremendous reduction of economic activity resulting from necessary public health measures. People are being put on furough and must be maintained. It has nothing whatever to do with any plan or program of St. Bernard of Burlington.

Sanders is not running for President.

The sooner people get this through their heads, especially his well-meaning supporters, the better it will be for our people and our country.

The fact is Sanders campaigns not to gain the Democratic Party's nomination for President, but to weaken if not wreck the 'Democratic Establishment'. For 'Bernie', ousting Trump and ending the Republican majority in the Senate is barely an afterthought to this long-standing purpose. Once Sanders' supporters face this fact squarely, they may be able to decide honestly what their best course in this election is: voting against 'Bernie' in any future primary, and for Mr. Biden and Democrats all down the ticket to the lowest office on the ballot come November.

It is probably true that Sanders sees destroying the 'Democratic Establishment' as an essential precondition to defeating Trump et al, and so by his own lights he means it when he says he will do all he can to defeat Trump. But that belief is so self-serving and delusional it deserves not just scorn but contempt.

As with Trump, the only real cure is to deprive the man of the oxygen of worshipful attention. The effect would be that of a bucket of water on the wicked witch of Oz....





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:58 PM

7. So what? Bernie is irrelevant now.

 

He'd be a whole lot more useful if he'd stop bloviating, withdraw from the primaries and do everything in his power to help Biden defeat Trump. That's the only way any improvements can be made. Bernie's magic fairy dust and unicorn poop aren't going to do a damn thing for us.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:53 PM

17. Bernie is irrelevant now. It's over! Goooooooooooooooooooooo away now Bernie!!!

 





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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:58 PM

8. I don't care what Bernie says. It's over!

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:00 PM

9. Bernie has no hope of winning, so who cares? :) nt

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:05 PM

10. And yet he lost.

 

Go figure!
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Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:08 PM

11. gee the trillion he wanted spent on F35s would buy tons of ventilators about now nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:23 PM

14. True, Ma'am

 

The fact is, 'Bernie' is kind of a trimmer when it comes to high-price military equipment manufactured in part in Vermont.

Sort of like his views on firearms. The NRA was his chief supporter in his early Congressional career, and on matters like the Brady bill, he has remained true. His more recent stances can be seen as trimming to Democratic electorate beyond his rural state. Look closely at the man, he does not really seem quite so possessed of principles as he likes to make out....






"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to msongs (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:38 PM

20. Vote for Bernie

 

and everybody gets their own free Lightning II...yaaay! (But you have to provide your own oxygen mask.)



In service, some USAF pilots have nicknamed the aircraft "Panther" in lieu of the official "Lightning II". The U.S. had plans to buy 2,443 F-35s through 2037 as of 2013, which will represent the bulk of the crewed tactical airpower of the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps for several decades. The aircraft is projected to operate until 2070.

Good thru 2070...which just so happens to be the last time Sanders plans on running for POTUS.
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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:37 PM

16. Absolutely true.

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:31 PM

19. And how it proved how woefully unprepared we are

 

To provide universal healthcare. Which is the actual goal.

Give me an bill that will not leave people behind. Medicare for All is slogan politics. Slogan politics arenít reality
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Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:17 PM

26. Bernie is futile.

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:21 PM

27. Biden is still opposed to a singe payer system

 

And no that is not trashing. That is a fact. He said so.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/biden-says-coronavirus-hasnt-changed-his-mind-on-single-payer.html?fbclid=IwAR0Oo6bKOzeTwn4HHtYm0eVdLDnJscPFDjb0-D9oHmBzrW1vi8QooQMj2CU

the obvious health care reform that would save scores of lives and money.. Biden doesn't want o do that. And no, the pandemic bringing home the problems inherent in our health care and economic systems has not changed his mind.

You know I have asked this question so often and NEVER have I received a good response.

How do we know we aren't repeating 2016 or 2004 or 2000?

OR if you don't' like that question how about this?

IF we won't' change the things that led to trump becoming President, why assume anything will change?



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Response to booley (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:30 PM

30. Did You Support The Affordable Care Act, Sir?

 

Are you in favor of repairing the damage done to it over the last several years by the worst elements of the cristo-fascist reactionary right?




"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to booley (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:39 PM

34. Americans like M4A or single payer in polls

 

but when asked to vote for it or pay for it then not so much.

Medicare for All a Vote Loser in 2018 U.S. House Elections

http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/medicare-for-all-a-vote-loser-in-2018-u-s-house-elections/

Do you guys want to win this election and get some improvement...or do you want to lose it and get nothing?
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Response to booley (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:08 PM

36. Bernie is certainly trying to repeat 2016. The rest of us are trying to win an election

 

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Response to booley (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:06 AM

43. As has been noted - single payer did not prevent the pandemic in Italy, nor did

 

it make the health care system capable of handling it.

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Response to booley (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:01 PM

35. As my first choice, Warren, said

 

ďThis crisis demands more than a senator who has good ideas, but whose 30-year track record shows he consistently calls for things he fails to get done, and consistently opposes things he nevertheless fails to stop,Ē
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Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:57 PM

37. Italy.

 

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Response to booley (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:36 AM

42. Oh FFS...

 

Give it up already.

Sid
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Tue Mar 31, 2020, 10:22 AM

46. #1: NEVER ELECT INCOMPETENTS TO IMPORTANT POSITIONS.

 

This is actually very simple:

To have good government, choose good people.

To have honorable and ethical government, choose honorable and ethical people.

To have competent government, choose competent people.

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Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:43 PM

48. A funny thing happened on the way to the coronation

 

but I can't remember what it was . . .
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Response to booley (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:54 PM

49. Politics is not about being proven right or wrong.

 

Politics is about negotiating and working with people who disagree with you. You start by building alliances with people who disagree with you slightly and working from there.

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