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Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

 

AOC breaks with Bernie on how to lead the left

Of the half-dozen incumbent primary challengers Justice Democrats is backing this cycle, Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed just two. Neither was a particularly risky move: Both candidates ó Jessica Cisneros in Texas and Marie Newman in Illinois ó were taking on conservative Democrats who oppose abortion rights and later earned the support of several prominent national Democrats.

Ocasio-Cortezís reluctance marks a break with the outsider tactics of the activist left, represented by groups like Justice Democrats. This election cycle, the organization is trying to boot not just conservative Democrats but also some liberal Democrats and to replace them with members who are more left-wing. In other words, to replicate what it pulled off against Rep. Joe Crowley in 2018 by recruiting Ocasio-Cortez.

Ocasio-Cortezís shift coincides with turnover among top aides in her congressional office ó replacing some outspoken radicals with more traditional political professionals ó along with a broader reckoning on the left on how to expand Sandersí coalition after his failure to significantly do so in the presidential primary. Some progressives have questioned whether Sanders should have softened his anti-establishment rhetoric and tried to build bridges with mainstream Democrats who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 rather than betting big on turning out disaffected and first-time voters.

Of the half-dozen incumbent primary challengers Justice Democrats is backing this cycle, Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed just two. Neither was a particularly risky move: Both candidates ó Jessica Cisneros in Texas and Marie Newman in Illinois ó were taking on conservative Democrats who oppose abortion rights and later earned the support of several prominent national Democrats.

Ocasio-Cortezís reluctance marks a break with the outsider tactics of the activist left, represented by groups like Justice Democrats. This election cycle, the organization is trying to boot not just conservative Democrats but also some liberal Democrats and to replace them with members who are more left-wing. In other words, to replicate what it pulled off against Rep. Joe Crowley in 2018 by recruiting Ocasio-Cortez.

Ocasio-Cortezís shift coincides with turnover among top aides in her congressional office ó replacing some outspoken radicals with more traditional political professionals ó along with a broader reckoning on the left on how to expand Sandersí coalition after his failure to significantly do so in the presidential primary. Some progressives have questioned whether Sanders should have softened his anti-establishment rhetoric and tried to build bridges with mainstream Democrats who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 rather than betting big on turning out disaffected and first-time voters.



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/new-aoc-divides-the-left-150767
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Reply AOC breaks with Bernie on how to lead the left (Original post)
RandySF Mar 30 OP
nycbos Mar 30 #1
True Blue American Mar 30 #2
Bleacher Creature Mar 30 #3
Indykatie Mar 30 #5
Bleacher Creature Mar 30 #10
RandySF Mar 30 #11
ehrnst Mar 30 #21
Butterflylady Mar 30 #27
The Magistrate Mar 30 #4
redstatebluegirl Mar 30 #6
Hortensis Mar 30 #7
The Magistrate Mar 30 #9
GemDigger Mar 30 #13
ehrnst Mar 30 #22
comradebillyboy Mar 30 #8
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 30 #12
George II Mar 30 #14
LakeArenal Mar 30 #15
Dem4Life1102 Mar 30 #23
LakeArenal Mar 30 #24
Celerity Mar 30 #26
Happy Hoosier Mar 30 #16
peggysue2 Mar 30 #17
Algernon Moncrieff Mar 30 #18
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:35 AM

1. She is learning how the game is played...

 

... how the sausages are made. She is in the room where it happens.
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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:40 AM

2. After threatening to block the Aid bill

 

I was surprised how she followed the rule. Times up, she sat down. Impassioned about the virus in her district, but very subdued.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:40 AM

3. In less than two years she's figured out what Bernie never has.

 

You don't effect change by going at it solo and simply criticizing the Democratic Party 24/7, but rather join the party and try to effect change from within.

She's got a bright future.
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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

5. AOC's Transition Started When She Risked Being Isolated In Congress Unless She Got Right With Pelosi

 

Flame throwers rarely accomplish much except making noise and sowing chaos. Making bad endorsements against sitting congressmen and women is no way to go through a political life. Good on her for figuring it out in her first term. I fear it's too late for some others who are aligned with Bernie.
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Response to Indykatie (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:05 AM

10. Yep. I think her work with Senator Markey helped as well.

 

He stepped up and agreed to champion the Green New Deal in the Senate. When it was announced that he was getting primaried, I think she realized that the number of years a person was in office wasn't by itself a reason why they should be replaced.
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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:06 AM

11. The breaking point seemed to be when her former COS attacked Sharice Davids.

 

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Response to RandySF (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:53 PM

21. She also hit a point when Sanders embraced the endorsement of Joe Rogan.

 

That was unacceptable to her.
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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:47 PM

27. You gotta learn to walk before you run.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:45 AM

4. I Am Rather Fond Of Her, Sir

 

She is a sensible young woman who has definitely got the 'X-factor' in abundance.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:59 AM

6. She is learning that you can't just run over people and get what you want.

 

Thank goodness!!! I liked her at first and then I got very annoyed with her.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:59 AM

7. It's NOT a break with the activist left tho -- I can't imagine she

 

won't continue as an activist, and she's good at it.

It may be signaling a break (rather than just throwing some weight) with the insurgent, anti-Democratic left, like that nasty nest of hostiles in Justice Dems, and if so I'm very glad to hear it. She has talent, but extremists who can't function in congress always end up killing themselves off, and sometimes not before they sabotage what they claim to support.

(Sanders inevitably coming to mind is not an exception -- he's held onto the gold ring he managed to grab in the 1990 election by abandoning active pursuit of his beliefs to vote what he insists is "corrupt" 95-99%" ever since. Then, of course, came a change of roles.)
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:03 AM

9. Exactly, Ma'am

 

There is nothing whatever wrong with activism on the left per se. The problem is when such activism becomes infected with nihilism and revolutionary romanticism. 'Bernie' and his wrecking crew display clearly the pug-marks of both these disfiguring traits.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:21 AM

13. Maybe she is realizing that after the idiot leaves we won't have any money left for

 

those very, very expensive things Bernie has up his sleeve.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:54 PM

22. The goals and metrics for effectiveness are very different in activists and politicians.

 

Politicians are mostly managers - they keep the wheels turning, approve budgets, read mounds of paperwork.

Many activists can't sit still for that.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:00 AM

8. So AOC wants to have a productive future in congress

 

and the Democratic Party. She has correctly determined that making enemies of her potential allies would make her an irrelevant back bencher. One can't pass legislation without cooperation and compromise. She's finally figured that out. Now she needs to jump off Sanders sinking ship before it's too late.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:08 AM

12. She's starting to figure out how to do effective politics,

 

and that's not by staking out a position and refusing to budge from it like Bernie.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:42 AM

14. Good for her. She's learning early that you don't get anywhere by pissing off BOTH sides.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 11:58 AM

15. I'm not interested her beyond..

 

Did she endorse Biden?

Until then I wonít read one sentence about her.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 05:21 PM

23. Not yet but

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/aoc-pledges-to-support-biden-if-he-wins-nomination.html
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 05:45 PM

24. Yeah that's what Bernie said.

 

I donít believe any of them at this point.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:20 PM

26. I absolutely believe AOC, but not Bernie. nt

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:07 PM

16. It won't be the bombthrowers who are successful here....

 

And she's figuring that out. Good. There's a time to raise a stink. Right now is the time with work with the caucus to make needed stuff happen fast.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:30 PM

17. Good to read this

 

AOC appears to be a quick study learning what works and what doesn't. Bomb throwing does not encourage support or even the willingness to listen. It just pisses people off. Similarly, constant attacks on the party you wish to influence has the opposite effect.

The 'bend the knee' crowd, the Bernie or Bust acolytes have wounded themselves beyond repair. If the article is accurate, AOC apparently understands this and, no doubt, would like to hang onto her own seat.

Building bridges as opposed to burning bridges. What a concept!

Good one on her.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:32 PM

18. To be fair

 

This is often a time in any Congressional office when the aides that came on at the beginning step aside - either to organize for others, go get other policy-related Washington gigs, or head off to grad school.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:39 PM

19. Heavy lesson learned here: You can't play your allies like adversaries. . .

 

. . .potential and otherwise.

Also, not every district is like AOC's, most especially not those in the purple/red states.

The "Berners" should have learned from 2018, when voters in the battleground districts chose relatively moderate candidates over the "Justice Democrats/Our Revolution" types in the primaries and then went on to pulverize the GOP incumbents and win back the House.

AOC's a quick study, thank goodness.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:00 PM

20. This is why I always had hope for AOC though going Sanders was a huge mistake and cost us Warren imo

 

AOC had a couple months with Sanders hand in his face, finger shaking in her face, being pushed to the side, like Sanders consistently does with women. Not something a privilege old man stops, I have found. While sitting among Democrats watching and helping them to fight for the people, life and death, in the last couple months.
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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:13 PM

25. This will be fun to watch

 

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