What is being done to Joe Biden by another campaign....was done to Barack Obama in 2008

[Peacetrain]

Many of them up and left the party when President Obama was elected. They were the crazed Hillary supporters of 2008 who got themselves so tied up into knots about their politics that they went stark raving mad. I ended up supporting Hillary in 2016 only to see the same group do the same thing to her they did to Barack.

And now they are out in the ether doing the same thing to Joe Biden.


Please... I beg you.. go and start your own damn party. Apparently there are enough of you. You have absolutely camped out in Twitter.. so you should be able to do this. You have been spending every ounce of energy you have for the last 12 years trying to destroy the Democratic Party..

Just go..please go..

Just sharing with my friends on DU my nightly devotions..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. As Oliver Cromwell once said...

"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

[Peacetrain]

2. +1000

[no_hypocrisy]

3. I liken this group to the Ellen Jamesians referenced in the novel "The World According To Garp."

https://medium.com/@gracelapointe/dont-be-an-ellen-jamesian-c2a1b423c7e3

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[Celerity]

23. to post a Medium link (or a Twitter link inserted into a text hyperlink)

go to here

https://tinyurl.com/

copy n paste the link into it

and



https://tinyurl.com/w23b5bu

a clickable link

[George II]

4. Was it by Clinton's campaign itself or unaffiliated supporters of her. I know there's crap....

....in every campaign, and her people did a few bad things, but it was never as bad as what we've seen the last two campaigns.

If it was all that bad and directly from her campaign, I doubt that Obama would have offered her the SOS job.

[caraher]

6. I didn't see Clinton attempt to undermine Obama either

As I recall the ringleaders of the so-called "PUMA" movement often turned out to be Republicans. With all the bots, etc. we're in an even worse environment today for that sort of thing; but the leadership is also different now as well, and that also matters.

Sanders needs to own his place in this primary. In particular, he should disavow the claims that he is the victim of dirty tricks by the "Democratic establishment" (which is what I keep hearing from some of his supporters, that the votes taken so far do not in fact represent the will of the voters because the DNC did... something... to suppress the voice of the people).

[IluvPitties]

18. Carville was a PUMA

and he's not a Republican!

[radius777]

29. Carville strongly supported Obama

once he got the nomination.

PUMAs were those who ultimately did not support Obama.

[William769]

5. What group are you talking about.

I was so Hillary Clinton in 2008 as are a lot of people that are still here on DU. Yes I was pissed. I got over it & voted for Obama.

Yes I voted for Hillary again in 2016 and I'm still really pissed over that. Here I am in 2020 going to vote for Joe Biden.

I really don't understand your post but I understand enough of it to lower your cred with me.

[SergeStorms]

8. Same here.

I was a rabid Hillary supporter, and thought that they were pushing Obama up the ladder way too soon. But as soon as Obama was chosen as our candidate, my support and money went to him unconditionally for eight years. That's what being a Democrat is about.

[murielm99]

28. That is exactly the way I felt.

I supported Hillary to the max. It was hard, since I live in Illinois and Obama was a favorite son here.

I got on board for Obama and worked hard for him. I think he did a magnificent job under terrible circumstances.

I hope his VP Biden is just as much up to the job as Obama was. His circumstances will be even worse.

[Turin_C3PO]

10. I think she's talking about

those PUMA people. But, if I remember correctly, they weren’t a very large group and may have been Republican provocateurs.

[Paka]

19. I've heard the percentages a few times, but forgotten the actual numbers.

However, there were more PUMA's who voted for McCain than there were Sander's supporters who voted for Trump, by a good margin. This is the first time I've heard that they were Republican. Could you give me any data on that?

[mjvpi]

12. There was a group of vocal Clinton supporters who voted Romney.

[Maven]

22. It's disappointing and the sad irony is that if any analogy can be drawn to 2008

It's the exact opposite of what OP claims.

See my post below.

[Grokenstein]

7. But they don't want their own party.

Destroying ours is their primary mission/entertainment.
Then they'll loot the wreckage and THEN they'll (let someone else) build their own party "from the ashes."

[philly_bob]

9. Democrats who disagreed with me were "stark raving mad"

"Go and start your own damn party"

Way to build up party unity, Peacetrain.

[Peacetrain]

17. Yep... you are damn straight it is.. I have had it up to my eyebrows after 12 years of

watching basically the same group of people with a few add ons each cycle, try and destroy the Democratic Party.. let them go and do what ever the want to do... but I have had it with Pumas, Bernie Bros and amalgamation of the two on Twitter now..

[mjvpi]

11. The Democratic Party is a big tent.

Democracy is messy. I agree with what I think that you are saying. We need a unified Democratic Party because beating Trump is now literally a matter of life and death. On that note, I am in total agreement. Two things we have to keep in mind. One is that the Russians are still deeply involved in our election process and our intelligence agencies have said that one way that they are doing that is by "supporting " Sanders. Two is that an overwhelming number of Sanders supporters are life long Democrats. Universal health care has been one issue that has really unified Sanders support. That one issue looks pretty important right about now. Most will vote blue no matter who. I would hope that bringing our party together will be viewed as a two way street. We have a candidate for practical purposes. Biden has made some smart moves like adopting Warren’s bankruptcy plans. That will bring us together. The people I know who support Sanders are informed and passionate. As our party starts to come together as Democrats we need to acknowledge that our tent welcomes a range of ideas. I think that FDR was a Democrat not a socialist. He would have raged about corporate Democrats. When we lost the last election by 75,000 votes in just the wrong places, it scares me to here people tell registered a Democrat to just go away. In coming together we must respect our disagreements and amplify each other’s passion. I agree with you that it is frustrating as hell to listen to people who will never be satisfied, but more so than any time in my life, every vote counts. Make sure we don’t become as close minded and short sighted as they are. Keep up the faith. Wash you hands and beat Trump.

[tirebiter]

13. A few more facts please. Exactly who made charges concerning who else.

The Berniacs, Ball and a Halper are cynically using metoo to try and give Bernie another shot. What it’s going to do is take credibility away from women with legitimate charges.

[philly_bob]

26. Bernie supporters are "lazy, entitled, spoiled rotten brats"

Chill, man.

[pnwmom]

15. I think you are very very wrong to blame Hillary supporters on what Bernie people are doing now.

It makes no sense at all.

[Peacetrain]

16. By no means shape or form am I blaming all Hillary people.. I supported Hillary in 2016

But there were a group of PUMAS who were just horrid... and in no way do I think all Bernie supporters are at fault for a group of Bernie Bros who could be kissing cousins of the PUMAS who were horrid to Hillary in 2016.. and I think it is the same said group attacking Joe Biden.. Let that group go where ever they want to go and start their own independent party of disaffected voters who will never ever support the Democratic nominee..

[McCamy Taylor]

20. I think a lot of the "infighting" is/was a GOP dirty prank.

See this link? Bookmark it. Read it every election. Divide and conquer is the GOP favorite strategy. Think about it mathematically. If your party (the GOP) has a minority of voters in a democracy and your opponent (the Democratic party) has the majority the only way to "win" is to divide and conquer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/stories/buchananmemo.htm

"The preparation of attacks on one Democrat by another -- and 'endorsements' of one Democrat by another, which has to be repudiated, are examples of what can be done. Nothing should be done here, incidentally, which can seriously backfire and anything done should be cleared by the highest campaign authority. The Secret Service, it should be noted, will be all over Miami; and any activity will have to take into consideration their capabilities.

"We should guard here against a) anything which enables the Democrats to blame us for the mess which takes place in Miami Beach; b) anything which can be traced back to us and c) anything which is so horrendous as to damage us, if the hand is discovered."

[Peacetrain]

24. I would not doubt that a bit.. same people same strategy..

Let them go and be their own little group.. just go.. 12 years of this nonsense is quite enough in my book..

[Maven]

21. What is being done to Joe Biden by another campaign...was done to Hillary Clinton in 2008

There were the crazed Obama supporters of 2008 who portrayed her as the "establishment" candidate who was being installed by the party to stop Obama's progressive revolution. Even though Obama was to the right of Hillary on certain important issues like health care and GLBT rights. It didn't matter. They went stark raving mad and dredged up every right wing narrative about the Clintons to take her down. They tried to delegitimize her and her supporters by claiming that she was the next-in-line candidate that no one actually wanted, even accusing the party of attempting a "coronation".

(It might be said that the PUMAs, to the extent they ever existed as an organized faction, were the product of resentment stemming from this delegitimization campaign.)

And now there are many out in the ether doing the same thing to Joe Biden.

(You really want to play this game?)

[The Magistrate]

25. That Is How I Remember It, Sir

That is certainly how it was here. I was still a moderator at the time, and saw stuff that didn't last long in the open. Serious scurrilous stuff....




"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[question everything]

27. Thank you! This is how I remember it

[Iggo]

30. A PUMA by any other name...