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comradebillyboy

(10,149 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:48 AM Mar 2020

Insiders recount how Sanders lost the black vote -- and the nomination slipped away

Bernie Sanders reached the pinnacle of his campaign inside Cowboys Dancehall in San Antonio on Feb. 22. He pumped his fist to punctuate a triumphant speech. He’d just won the Nevada caucuses and was sitting on top of the Democratic presidential race.

But 1,200 miles away in South Carolina, some aides and allies felt dread that trouble was lurking just around the corner. “I knew that our campaign had not done the work it needed to do,” Donald Gilliard recalls thinking. He felt the campaign’s strategy was “geared toward white progressives,” leaving black voters behind.

Gilliard, the deputy state political director, wasn’t alone. Mal Hyman, a former congressional candidate and a Sanders surrogate in South Carolina, had a similar sense of anxiety. “We knew we were vulnerable,” he lamented.

A week later, their worst fears came true. A resurgent Joe Biden thumped Sanders by 28 points in the South Carolina primary, sending the Vermont senator into a free fall from which he not recovered.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/insiders-recount-how-sanders-lost-the-black-vote--and-the-nomination-slipped-away/2020/03/24/2b7b8b8e-685e-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html
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Insiders recount how Sanders lost the black vote -- and the nomination slipped away (Original Post) comradebillyboy Mar 2020 OP
Bernie got much worse during this campaign. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #1
Yes, a big part of Sanders problem is his personality. honest.abe Mar 2020 #3
Yep. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #5
Bernie is way to old to be an angry young man. Walleye Mar 2020 #7
I think it was TheMagistrate who put it best KitSileya Mar 2020 #21
Yes to all of that. Walleye Mar 2020 #22
This is true. His demeanor just did not cut it with so many, particularly older black voters. zonkers Mar 2020 #37
He never even tried in SC mcar Mar 2020 #2
Bernie's campaign was entirely based upon privileged NCProgressive Mar 2020 #4
But, but, but, he marched with Dr. King! LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #6
Just like Mitch McConnell did... comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #10
After Which, Sir, He Booked Off To Vermont The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11
Bernie Sanders thinks he is "color blind." In some ways, he is. MineralMan Mar 2020 #8
This Is A Besetting Sin Of A Marxist Orientation, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #12
At least he hasn't called for the liquidation of the comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #14
He Is Not Really A Gun In Hand Type, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #16
Although Bernie is no Joseph Stalin he does embrace comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #18
We Are In Agreement There, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #19
Indeed, I myself have some of the same personal flaws comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #25
If you've been watching The Plot Against America, frazzled Mar 2020 #9
That is an excellent point. KitSileya Mar 2020 #23
C'mon. He had a SOUL FOOD lunch with Killer Mike 4 years ago... SidDithers Mar 2020 #13
I haven't seen you here in a while. murielm99 Mar 2020 #15
Still kicking around.. SidDithers Mar 2020 #17
But on March 1, 2020 he skipped going to the Edmund Pettus Bridge to Cha Mar 2020 #29
Excellent read...thanks. K&R...the Sanders campaign made little effort to win over AA voters Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #20
And then skipped the Selma commemoration.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #24
'finagle the nomination' - BS came close empedocles Mar 2020 #28
"BS came close". To what? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #31
BS came close to finagling the nomination, with the thinnest Dem support empedocles Mar 2020 #34
Oh, I see. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #35
'finesse' would be the more polite word than 'finagle' empedocles Mar 2020 #36
They did the very same story in 2016. RandySF Mar 2020 #26
Virus...more...important....than....this Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #27
We Can Multitask. Cha Mar 2020 #30
Glad to see BidenBacker Mar 2020 #32
Bernie didn't lose the black vote... SidDithers Mar 2020 #33
Thank you! Cha Mar 2020 #38
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. Bernie got much worse during this campaign.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:55 AM
Mar 2020

He was flailing way, pointing at people growling at the camera and that did not help him with any of the voters out there except his small 30 percent cult of people. I have said this before I liked him when he first came out for President, that changed totally after what he did to Secretary Clinton.

I don't think his rude behavior sits well with anyone over 65 and that includes Black voters.

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honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
3. Yes, a big part of Sanders problem is his personality.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:00 AM
Mar 2020

He is gruff and rude and almost always appears angry. That turns off alot voters, I think in particular older black voters.

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Walleye

(31,027 posts)
7. Bernie is way to old to be an angry young man.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020
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KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
21. I think it was TheMagistrate who put it best
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

Paraphrasing here, but that Senator Sanders hasn't changed his mindset and outlook and politics in 60 years, since he was 18 years old. He is saying the same things as today's angry young men do because he hasn't changed anything about his beliefs since he was and angry young man. Only now he's sayign these things with white hair and a lined face, giving it the gravitas of an elder statesman and making his 30% think that their beliefs are well-considered.


I think that TheMagistrate was spot on, and what's more, anyone who isn't an angry young man knowsthat angry young men suck all the oxygen out of any movements. They relegate the women to making the coffee and people of color to the dirty menial tasks, and their activism is fueled from feeling they are being screwed over rather than more vulnerable groups being screwed over.

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Walleye

(31,027 posts)
22. Yes to all of that.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020
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zonkers

(5,865 posts)
37. This is true. His demeanor just did not cut it with so many, particularly older black voters.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:03 AM
Mar 2020
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mcar

(42,334 posts)
2. He never even tried in SC
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:59 AM
Mar 2020
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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
4. Bernie's campaign was entirely based upon privileged
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:04 AM
Mar 2020

and college educated whites who could easily afford another Trump presidency to achieve a herd of unicorns.

Older, less educated and minority voters whose quality of life depends upon who is elected saw through the Sanders' policies as superficial and unattainable. Only slogans and no substance. Hopefully even the hard core BS supporters will take a step back from the effusive devotion, look at the congress and see how many of the BS proposals stand a chance of even getting out of the committee let alone a whole chamber and then get the 60 votes in the senate.

When the effusive disciples become realistic, Sanders looks like another leader promising stuff that he knew little about and couldn't deliver anything.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
6. But, but, but, he marched with Dr. King!
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:05 AM
Mar 2020






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comradebillyboy

(10,149 posts)
10. Just like Mitch McConnell did...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:30 AM
Mar 2020
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The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
11. After Which, Sir, He Booked Off To Vermont
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:37 AM
Mar 2020

One of the whitest states in the country. He did so at about the time the 'Black Power' movement was setting in, and this had often a distinctly anti-semtic tinge. People tend to forget in the mid-sixties there were affrays which 'riot' does not quite accurately describe, though insurrections does not quite serve the purpose either. There were tanks in the streets of major cities, this sort of thing was looked towards seasonally, people wondering if there was going to be 'a long hot summer'. Sanders appearance at an open housing march, prior to these developments, and his good fortune to be photographed in the hands of a pair of 'Chicago's finest', has been blown up out of all proportion to give the impression he was shoulder to shoulder with Dr. King through thick and thin. He was not, and the pretense he was is a shabby deceit, depending on the audience being ignorant of the facts.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. Bernie Sanders thinks he is "color blind." In some ways, he is.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:21 AM
Mar 2020

He firmly believes that economic justice is all that is needed to end discrimination between people on all grounds. He is wrong about that, and people who suffer from racism, sexism, and a number of other discriminatory -isms know that from long experience.

His lack of focus on other things that hold people down and back is his downfall. Yes, economic justice is truly important, but for many minority groups, they lack economic justice due to institutional biases against them. There can be no economic justice where there is social bias. People who are actually affected by these things understand that. Those who are not effected typically do not understand it.

So, when Sanders rails against economic injustices, people who have seen social injustices all their lives recognize that Bernie is missing a crucial factor in the economic injustice they face. Without social justice, there can be no economic justice. It is just that simple an equation, and that is recognized by anyone who suffers social injustice.

Bernie simply doesn't get it.

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The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
12. This Is A Besetting Sin Of A Marxist Orientation, Sir
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

To a Marxist analysis, most every 'social problem' is the result of some distortion or other introduced into society by the exploitative relations of capitalism. They can only be solved through successful class struggle. Attempts to address any such issues as problems in their own right is to be decried as 'bourgeois sentimentality' or worse. In fact, there is little worse than distraction from the class struggle, so that focus on such matters may even be seen as intended to hamper the class struggle, even sabotage it. As with the imprisonment of homosexuals and prostitutes in Cuba under Castro, persons who persist in such distorted behavior once the class struggle has been won are engaged in counter-revolution, and if they cannot be cured must be quarantined, so that they cannot interfere with the work of securing revolutionary gains. Sanders may have ceased employing the vocabulary in public, but the old structures of thought he feasted on in the U. of C. library still show through.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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comradebillyboy

(10,149 posts)
14. At least he hasn't called for the liquidation of the
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

kulaks as a class. Just the billionaires.

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The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
16. He Is Not Really A Gun In Hand Type, Sir
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

He doesn't really want to kill anyone, or even take all their property. But he has, as a man entering middle age at least, lent some countenance abroad to people who were just that sort....




"He was a better man than I. But I have killed better men than I, with a small pistol."

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comradebillyboy

(10,149 posts)
18. Although Bernie is no Joseph Stalin he does embrace
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:37 PM
Mar 2020

that class warfare theme a little too enthusiastically.

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The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
19. We Are In Agreement There, Sir
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:41 PM
Mar 2020

But you may forgive a reminder that argument by hyperbole is a dangerous practice. It can on occasion give clarity to a point, but all too often, people who habitually resort to it come to forget they are employing a rhetorical device, and take their exaggerations for effect as statements of fact.

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comradebillyboy

(10,149 posts)
25. Indeed, I myself have some of the same personal flaws
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:51 PM
Mar 2020

as Senator Sanders. I'd like to be a better person but I just can't help myself sometimes.

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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
9. If you've been watching The Plot Against America,
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:25 AM
Mar 2020

the HBO series based on Philip Roth's trenchant 2004 novel of the same name (about an alternative history in which Charles Lindberg, with his America First movement, actually does win the 1940 presidential election), you would have seen this completely prescient scene:

Lindbergh holds these rallies all over the country, in which all he does is basically repeat the same line over and over again ("It's not Lindbergh against Roosevelt, it's Lindbergh against war" ). The main characters, an extended Jewish family in Newark, NJ, rail against his fascist tendencies and don't believe he can ever win over the general populace.

The scenes in question involve a rabbi (played by John Turturo) who is against the US entering the war and thus very pro-Lindbergh, who has been enlisted into the movement to give a speech endorsing Lindbergh at a big rally. As the family listens on the radio, they can't believe he would be suckered into such a thing, and proclaim that this is not going to get Jews to buy into voting for the creep, because they must certainly know Lindbergh's anti-Semitic tendencies.

A rebellious cousin explains to them the following: They're not using the rabbi to get the Jewish vote; they're using him to get the white Protestant vote (or something like that). It's a way of alleviating them of the burden of being considered anti-Semitic themselves so that they can vote for him. It's like a free pass for them.

I dropped off the sofa when I heard this line, because it encapsulated so perfectly what I felt about political candidates who use token minorities (blacks, women, etc.) but could never quite articulate. Getting a black celebrity or politician to endorse you or speak out at a rally is just what Roth so incisively explained in his novel: it's not about getting the black vote. It's about giving white people permission to vote for you despite your not attending to the real issues that affect black people.

That was Bernie Sanders's (and many other candidates') problem with black voters. They're like the fictional Jews who wouldn't vote for Lindbergh despite his flashing an articulate token rabbi around. They know.

At any rate, that show is amazing: beautifully shot, cast, and written.

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KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
23. That is an excellent point.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:27 PM
Mar 2020

It's all about making white voters comfortable with voting against the interests of minorities.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
13. C'mon. He had a SOUL FOOD lunch with Killer Mike 4 years ago...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

and he chained himself to a black woman in college.

That's not enough?



Sid

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murielm99

(30,741 posts)
15. I haven't seen you here in a while.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

Am I reading the wrong threads?

It is good to see you.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
17. Still kicking around..
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

not posting as much though.

Good to see you too

Sid

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Cha

(297,257 posts)
29. But on March 1, 2020 he skipped going to the Edmund Pettus Bridge to
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:46 AM
Mar 2020

honor John Lewis and those who marched with him on Bloody Sunday .. It was noticed.

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Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
20. Excellent read...thanks. K&R...the Sanders campaign made little effort to win over AA voters
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:16 PM
Mar 2020

IMHO- counting on a multiple candidate primary instead...a scenario where 30% could win the nomination and Black voters would not have been needed. Sanders was so rigid, he couldn't even adjust his message in order to attract AA voters. One wonders how they thought this would work...very naive campaign and candidate. This also illustrates that Sanders would have had a very difficult presidency...an inability to build coalitions would have really hurt him. I am thankful that Biden is our nominee.

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Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
24. And then skipped the Selma commemoration....
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020

The message was always one of benign neglect. He took for granted that if he could finagle the nomination, they would support him. He just neglected to really understand how important the black voter base is in this party. Being a Vermonter, it probably barely crossed his mind.

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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
28. 'finagle the nomination' - BS came close
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:56 PM
Mar 2020
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Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
31. "BS came close". To what?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:09 AM
Mar 2020
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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
34. BS came close to finagling the nomination, with the thinnest Dem support
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:51 AM
Mar 2020

in the unrepresentative primaries of IA, NH, NV.

The Dem Party as a whole, did not want a Socialist BS nominee in November.

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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
36. 'finesse' would be the more polite word than 'finagle'
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:58 AM
Mar 2020
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RandySF

(58,867 posts)
26. They did the very same story in 2016.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:52 PM
Mar 2020

I had to double check the byline date.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
27. Virus...more...important....than....this
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:52 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,257 posts)
30. We Can Multitask.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:47 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
32. Glad to see
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:32 AM
Mar 2020

the Hawaiian 3rd shift is at work. Can I go watch Morning Joe now?

Hey, it's 2:30 PM in Moscow so if you cross paths with one of Putin's IRA boys tell them I said "hi!" and keep up the great work.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
33. Bernie didn't lose the black vote...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:46 AM
Mar 2020

You can’t lose what you never had.

Sid

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