NEWS: Bernie plans to participate in an April DNC debate-sign he isn't planning on dropping out soon

[Skya Rhen]

Link to tweet

Senator Bernie Sanders plans to participate in the Democratic presidential debate in April if one is held, his campaign said on Tuesday, the strongest indication yet that he plans to continue competing against Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the 2020 primary for the foreseeable future.

The Democratic National Committee has said previously that there would be a debate in April, but one has not been scheduled. The committee has not announced a media partner or a site host — critical elements that are typically agreed upon at least a month in advance. The coronavirus crisis has already upended most facets of the Democratic primary, and there is no guarantee that the debate will take place.

Still, the fact that the Sanders campaign is signaling, for now, that he would be on a debate stage in April is a strikingly public sign of the Vermont senator’s determination to wield political influence and challenge Mr. Biden for primacy despite the former vice president’s nearly insurmountable delegate lead.

“Senator Sanders is still running for president,” said Mike Casca, a top campaign official. “If there is a debate in April, he plans to be there.”

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The Democratic National Committee has not set a media partner, a venue or a date for the party’s final planned debate, nor has it released qualification criteria to participate.

Xochitl Hinojosa, a D.N.C. spokeswoman, declined to say whether a debate would still take place in April as planned or move later in the calendar to follow primary contests from several states that have switched from April to June. The Biden campaign declined to comment.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Oh geez. Gimme a break.

[trueblue2007]

4. WE DON'T NEED NO MORE STINKIN' DEBATES. People are dying. DROP OUT NOW B.S.

[Gore1FL]

24. Who will this debate kill exactly? nt

[trueblue2007]

30. Uh..... people are dying. COVID-19 You not know this??

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[Gore1FL]

51. So not having a Democratic debate will solve Covid 19? Does the WHO know? nt

[Demsrule86]

65. The primary is over and there should be no debate...people have to work cameras and other tech stuff

People have to fly or drive...Just no. All I WANT from Sanders is for him to go away. And there is no reason. Sanders doesn't have snowballs chance in hell of caching Biden..and if he was a decent person he would concede and throw his support behind Biden and not risk electing Trump and killing those who have to show up and work the debate. He should never have run...he simply can't accept that the voters have rejected him by double digits.

[Gore1FL]

66. All you need now are "Sore Loserman" signs.

Let the process play out as the process is intended to play out. Otherwise, people will feel cheated; that isn't a way to build bridges. Furthermore, it is to Biden's benefit to take advantage of this process. The free air time of the debate won't damage him. It will expose his message to a large audience of people in their homes.

The voting process is a good thing. Let it play out.

[The Magistrate]

74. The Process, Sir, Is Intended To Play Out With The Obvious Loser Folding

When the process plays out normally, that is what happens. The candidate with no more than a lottery ticket's chance at winning concedes as soon as this is obvious, then congratulates the winner, and gets to work for the ticket's victory in November.

Of course normally, the last two contenders do not include one man who is not really running for the Presidential nomination, but against the 'Democratic Establishment' which he presents as a paragon of corruption dedicated to stifling liberal and progressive causes. So appealing to normal practice falls rather flat. 'Bernie' does care a fig if he damages the Democratic Party, and the chances of Democratic Party candidates in November. A defeat for the Democratic Party, 'Bernie' believes, would only strengthen his hand for the next run he dreams of making four years from now. It will show the corrupt 'Democratic Establishment' they'd better get out of 'Bernie's' way this time, once and for all.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Gore1FL]

79. I started watching all of this in 1976.

In 1976 it went to the convention. We won.
in 1984 it went to the convention. We lost.
in 1988 it went to the convention. We lost.
in 1992 it went to the convention. We won.
it didn't in 2000 and we lost
it didn't in 2004 and we lost
in 2008 it went to the convention We won.
in 2016 it went to the convention We lost.

Not including when incumbents ran, during that time six times the process went to the convention. Twice it did not. I call bullshit on the premise that telling people in states that haven't voted that they don't matter and to tell Sanders supporters to stuff it as a good way to win 2020.

The process involves including everyone. What harm does it do to include people? Why make unforced errors by short circuiting this in the name of unsupported claims and assumptions? Why can't it just work as designed?

[The Magistrate]

83. What Do You Think Those Numbers Support, Sir?

At best you have a fifty/fifty break for 'to the convention', but the nominee was known in all instances and the vanquished could be counted on, save in 2016, to rally behind the victor. Not since 1972 has a convention been anything but a formality, and it was floor fights over dueling delegations gave '72 its rum flavor. By leaving out incumbents, you neatly elide the harm all observers agree was done by Sen. Kennedy's embittered contest to President Carter. No one suggests 'going to the convention' is the over-riding factor, and you overplay your hand in seeming to treat it as such. '76, for instance, was against an appointed incumbent in the wake of terrible scandal, '80 featured an acute and embarrassing foreign defeat, as well as a third party run of appreciable effectiveness, as well as disunity from a bitter run against an incumbent.

The nearest actual analogy to 2016 is '68, which you carefully start your count subsequent to. '68 certainly was far more bitter, but it was the same class of event, and many 'Bernie' supporters openly hoped to repeat the '68 in their own day. The idea of a 'fart-in' circulated among 'Bernie' supporters was beyond even the wildest clowning of the Yippies (Youth International Party). In both '68 and 2016 (as well as in '72), there was a serious effort made to disrupt the proceedings and damage the Party, with the chant 'Dump the Hump!' emerging from the '68 fracas. No one doubts this assisted Nixon, who if anything would probably have won even more decisively without Wallace's third party run. No one whose interests or political hopes are not served by the pretense imagines that the bad blood stirred by 'Bernie' had no effect on the outcome in 2016, which was such a close-run thing (like Florida in 2000) that a novel factor, even if it one grants its scope was small (which I do not) could achieve a decisive effect.

It is noticeable you do not engage the heart of the matter, namely that Sanders, then and again now, does not really run for the Presidential nomination, but to press an attack against the 'Democratic Establishment', which he views as a corrupt cabal whose chief aim is to stifle the left and thwart achievement of liberal and progressive goals. The man has said it often enough, people ought to do him the courtesy of believing him. That makes any attempt at comparison of 2016 with anything but '68 and '72 a matter of apples and oranges. And there is no room at all for doubt 'Bernie' intends to repeat his sabotage four years ago.






"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Gore1FL]

87. 2 losses when it went the way you proscribe. 0-2 doesn't sound like good odds to me.

Either the process is important or it isn't.

They way you build coalitions is by making everyone matter. Let Biden do that. He's good at that.

[The Magistrate]

88. Much Thunder, Sir, Much Lightening, Yet No Rain

You have not demonstrated a thing. A reminder that correlation is not causation seems in order. Each event is complex, and you are not close to having demonstrated the single factor you urge had a dominant effect.

I have shown three instances where conventions were actually disrupted by attacks on the 'Democratic Establishment' (two of which you excluded from your set), and that in all three instances defeat followed such vivid displays of disunity. I have also noted another election you ignored, the 1980 election, which featured a strong and bitterly contested challenge to an incumbent, though I also note this was certainly not the sole factor in the defeat. Nonetheless, four conventions marked by faction and disunity produced four defeats. Sanders seems bidding fair to make it a fifth this year, regardless of consequences to the people and our country. He has made it quite clear he continues to run against the 'Democratic Establishment', which he declares the corrupt enemy of the liberal and progressive cause 'Bernie' claims he leads, and claims only 'Bernie' fights for.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Gore1FL]

91. The other correlation is we usually lose when we go to the middle for safety.

That argument seems moot at this point.

Shutting Sanders down isn't a way to win his supporters. Rocket science this is not.

[The Magistrate]

92. The Fact That Left Elements Cannot Be Relied On, Sir

Forces Party leadership to try and make up the slack in the center. It certainly worked in the recent Congressional contest, and could reasonably be expected to do so this year as well. A great many centerist types have conceived a hatred for Trump, which his abominable performance in the crisis will solidify and extend. The diminutive 'rally round' boost showing at present is far less than would be expected for a normal President.

If the left wants influence, it is going to have to drop the 'not a dime's worth of difference betwixt the two' posturing, and show up and vote consistently, come Hell or high water. The strike may well work in labor disputes, but it does not work in politics. The unreliable are written off and worked around, they do not receive better conditions and higher wages.

"The argument boils down to insisting no bread is better than half a loaf."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Gore1FL]

93. They can't be relied on, perhaps, because they were ignored since 1988.

You are arguing now that they can go fuck off again. Great party building skills.

I say give everyone a seat at the table. Let voices be heard. Those used to be common values with Democrats. I guess not so much anymore.

[The Magistrate]

94. If They Had Proved Reliable, Sir

They would not have been ignored. Politicians do not ignore reliable voting blocs. People have a 'seat at the table' in proportion to their share in producing victory. Note delegate allocations to the various states. They vary by the turn-out for Democratic candidates in that state, not its population. Rally more voters, get more delegates.

[Gore1FL]

95. No--- it was a false narrative that sprung from 1984

We've been chasing Republicans to a false center. What we have now is a far right party and a center party. It's tragic and infuriating. We have not had a Democratic nominee since Mondale who opposed Reaganomics.

Exciting wins elections, not GOP lite.

If all you have is re-hashed strategies that have failed in the past, I'm done listening.

[The Magistrate]

98. Produced From False Consciousness, Sir, Doubtless

The fact remains. If the votes were there reliably, they would be courted. If they are not, they will not be. Threatening a walk-out gets nothing, actually doing it gets you even less.

[Gore1FL]

99. I am not arguing that point. It still is human nature.

So rather than pretend it isn't, why don't we try to be nice to earn their trust and votes? They are not expendable, and neither are their ballots.

[The Magistrate]

102. That Is Good, Sir, Because You Have No Argument To Press

That reliable voting blocs are courted, and unreliable one have scant influence, is simply a fact. People who identify as being of the left, who cannot bring themselves to oppose the worst excesses of right-wing reaction, ought to take a long hard look in the mirror, and accept their share of blame for every Republican victory. Each one of which narrows the chances for achieving any progressive goals, and limits the possible extent of any steps taken towards achieving progressive goals.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Demsrule86]

85. It is not a good thing...Consider 16 and the General...but no worries Biden won't play his game nor

will the DNC...no debate...sob sob Bernie too bad...

[Gore1FL]

96. Consider 16, when the Dems told Sanders supporters to take a hike?

You doing that again, huh? Brilliant!

Being sore winners is totally the way to go in unifying the party...

[The Magistrate]

100. That, Sir, Is Worthy Of The Old Politburo

A breath-taking inversion of the facts.

Do remember you refer to events not just within living memory, but which many whom you address paid quite close attention to, or even participated in.

You have just raised the chocolate ration from thirty grammes a week to twenty.

Do not expect smiling assent. If laughter is the worst you get, you may count yourself lucky.

[George II]

70. What will another debate accomplish. Do either candidate have anything new?

[Gore1FL]

72. Give Biden free air time for one. With people staying home the audience might be huge.

Allow the process to continue as designed for another.


There is no good reason to short-circuit these things. I don't know why you fear Biden's failure at this process so much. He's going to win. Let him take advantage of the playing field.

[femmedem]

76. I live in a state that hasn't had its primary yet and that doesn't have excuse-free absentee ballots

I have always liked Bernie and his platform. I voted for him in the 2016 primary. But I am beyond furious that he would endanger my family by forcing a primary that he can't win to continue in the midst of a pandemic.

I will never, never forgive him. And I will never again believe him when he says he cares about Americans' health if he forces us to go vote--or if he's counting on his younger supporters coming out to vote while the more vulnerable, more-likely-to-support-Biden voters stay home.

[Gore1FL]

82. Blaming Sanders for state laws seems strange.

I would think the solution is a revamped system that allows for ballots to be delivered in a different manner not ending voting.

What happens in the fall? Should we stop the General too? I am sure they'll be looking for excuses and precedent.

[LAS14]

81. I agree. Any media attention is good. Remind the public that we're still here!! nt

[LakeArenal]

101. Bernie can't go do his job in the Senate.

Yet he’s all hep to drag out this primary with another debate.

[Gore1FL]

105. It's not about Bernie. It's about Biden and winning in the fall.

I am having a really hard time communicating this, and it seems clear to me that everyone wants to argue something quite different than my point.

[fallout87]

78. WE dont need no more elections...

People are dying..

See how that works?

[Indykatie]

12. Bernie's Supporters Prob Have No Idea How Much He is Disliked By Large Numbers of Dems or Why

He's working towards a different goal than the Dem party and always will. It's all about his personal needs and never the voters other than his 30% base.

[justhanginon]

17. Disliked, DISLIKED! You are much too kind.

[Gore1FL]

97. I don't understand why the strategy should be to make them hate Biden.

Why needlessly piss them off when we can simply let the process work as designed?

[still_one]

2. There are no more debates scheduled

[William769]

13. ...

[still_one]

15. Did something change?

[Cha]

44. /Who is BS going to debate?

[still_one]

49. ???

[Cha]

58. himself?

[still_one]

61. Yup

[oasis]

50. He'll debate Jane, Nina T., Weaver, Sirota, M.M., and Brihana Joy Gray.

They'll browbeat him into staying until the bitter end.

[George II]

69. Of course there will be musical guests.

[Todd79]

84. Cenk will have his feelings hurt if he is left out

[sheshe2]

103. "bitter end" nt

[bucolic_frolic]

3. The train left the station without you, Bernie

You are converting no one, your base is going to sleep, you have nothing new to say, you're boring. Give it up.

Buh-bye!

[George II]

29. His votes so far this year are 81% of those in 2016 for states that can be compared....

....some were caucuses last time and primaries this time.

Just no enthusiasm.

[Turin_C3PO]

5. The DNC shouldn't hold anymore debates.

If Sanders want to stay in, fine, but no more debates!! I hope Joe continues to ignore Sanders.

[FloridaBlues]

6. I think the voters know enough of each candidates position

Grand standing as usual.

[Mars and Minerva]

7. It's 2016 all over again. nt

[NCProgressive]

8. Cancel all debates - tell Bernie publicly that the election is over

[Indykatie]

9. This Debate Should be after 4/28 When the Next Multi-State Primaries Are Scheduled

I suspect NY and NJ will not have their primary on 4/28. It's hard to imagine them going forward given the current situation in NY and especially NYC.

[sunonmars]

10. Nope, Biden must now say No more debates and they must concentrate on the big picture.

[The Magistrate]

11. There Should Be No Further Debate, Ma'am

As one is not scheduled, none need be scheduled now.

Cutting off the oxygen of publicity may help check the prairie fire this mountebank wishes to fan.


"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[William769]

14. With all the hot air he is full of

He can fan his own flames.

[emmaverybo]

43. Mountebank! Bravo, sir,

[relayerbob]

16. Holy crap

The last one was a farce, all we got was Sanders talking points and attacks. Learned nothing new. It's over. Join the team or accept that none of your proposals will ever be enacted

[George II]

18. Good luck. The participant in that debate can do it from his living room. The last debate was 3/15.

[bluestarone]

19. I feel it's time for Bernie to debate Bernie!

Really not sure if he could win that one! Biden please just DO NOT debate anymore it's on to the White House!

[George II]

20. Maybe they can hold it in the Senate Chamber?

[beastie boy]

21. Bernie challenges Joe to the April debate:

Pointless, gruesome, absurd, but also comical.

[emmaverybo]

45. 😂 LOL

[NurseJackie]

22. So sad. It's over. It's a lost cause.

[Dream Girl]

23. They can do it on Skype wearing masks

Everyone including moderators in remotes locations...with iffy internetconnections

[BidenBacker]

25. DNC debate

The last debate was the last one that was scheduled. The next one was and still is TBD. Hope Chairman Perez decides to fill in TBD as Tell Bernie Desist. 11 is enough already.

For chrissakes, Lincoln & Douglas were able to wrap it up in only 7...

https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/lincoln-douglas-debates

[Gore1FL]

26. That's more free air time for Biden.

It's good to keep it going and no short-circuit the process.

[BeyondGeography]

27. Pound sand, Bernie

Ten friggin debates so far is more than enough for a race that is functionally over.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. What are the HONEST numbers in remaining states yet to vote?

Is he close in some states enough to get the needed number?

[George II]

32. No. He's forecast to lose ALL of the last 27 primaries/caucuses. Delegate-wise...

538 forecasts 1081 (66.5%) for Biden, 545 (33.5%) for Sanders.

That would give Biden 2,295, Sanders 1,464, a difference of 844. Not even close.

[Eliot Rosewater]

35. Maybe in normal times it would not be fair to ask him to pull out with those numbers

but now, now is different. I mean numbers can change, that would be a big change but in normal times you can see why a person would not drop out.

To be blunt, many of us wont be alive in Nov...many more than we realize. Unless GOP puts on their patriot pants and removes both of them, we are in so bad shape that the election will not have meaning.

[nini]

31. Jesus, Mary and Joseph

This shit show needs to end. We've got the fight of our lives coming up and he's just getting in the way.

I am over narcissists of any strip these days.

[onetexan]

33. Why?to get clobbered by Joe again?

Now its beyond pathetic.

[BidenBacker]

34. Perez could get sneaky and add an eligibility requirement

"In order to qualify for the 12th and final Democratic debate every eligible candidate must have received a minimum of 40% of all votes cast in primaries to date."

[BidenBacker]

37. Hell

We can drop that down to only 1/3 and it'd still be a 1-man show...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

[SidDithers]

36. Let him stand on the stage by himself...

Biden should just say that the primary is over, and it's time to concentrate on beating Trump.

Sid

[BidenBacker]

38. You guys realize that

we've had more debates than combined counties that Sanders won in Arizona, Florida and Michigan on the last primary day?

11 debates...2 counties. And one of 'em was mine!

LOL...you can't make this shit up.

[emmaverybo]

39. We are exhausted with debates. We know enough about both candidates to make up our minds.

Wish DNC would put a stop to this nonsense.

[ucrdem]

40. I so agree. This is farcical.

It makes us look like loons. Yes I'd like to see a firm hand taken by the DNC but I understand that there are considerations. I think it will fall to Schumer eventually.

[IluvPitties]

41. Bernie, just go away.

[zackymilly]

42. Bernie will debate himself. And still lose. n/t

[MFM008]

46. No more debates

Why?
Another guy who is fuelled by adulation.

[BidenBacker]

47. Viewership

In 2016 there were 9 debates. Just eyeballing the numbers looks like the majority of them averaged between 5-10 million viewers. In 2020 viewership generally averaged somewhere between 10-30 million for most of them...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_debates#Overview

Not sure if anything meaningful can be inferred from this or not. Hopefully a bunch of Indies saying to themselves "I'm sure as hell not gonna vote for Dickhead Donnie again...let's see which one of these Dem dipshits I should vote for in November."

[ucrdem]

57. Interesting. Could be we came to see Biden.

That's what the last month's voting kind of points to. I'm sure Bernie thought it was all about him. Let's say the DNC caved in, and then Biden boycotted, leaving Bernie to preach. How many would tune in? Very damn few.

[BidenBacker]

59. Could be

Debate viewership shot up to over 30 million for both debates #9 & #10 during the week or two before Super Tuesday. Maybe like you said people were frantically trying to figure out who to vote for then. Then it dropped way down to only 11 million in the last one. Could be people have mostly decided now...or we're just reading too much into the numbers.

Doubt Joe would cancel if they do go ahead with yet another...Trump threatened to pull that shit in 2016 and we don't want Biden doing anything that resembles what that asshole would do.

[murielm99]

48. At this point,

I feel as revolted by Bernie as I am by Trump.

This is no time to take about debates.

[redstateblues]

52. Great! It just makes Biden look Presidential and makes Bernie look like

an angry old man

[Joinfortmill]

53. Huh? We don't need another debate.

[bluestarone]

54. Where did HE come up with that date?

We ALL know where each one stands on everything! DEBATE time is OVER! But i still want to know where he got THAT DATE from?

[LizBeth]

55. You know? Just.... . For five years I have been saying, what integrity?

[Me.]

56. He's Just Being Spiteful

[samnsara]

60. can joe just skip it? we dont need any more 'debates'...

[BidenBacker]

62. Biden needs a bridge...not a tightrope

Democrats grow nervous over primary delays

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488685-democrats-grow-nervous-over-primary-delays

“In theory, the Biden campaign could spend the next seven months with a singular focus instead of keeping one eye on a primary opponent whose chances of victory are virtually zero,” Demissie said.

Biden finds himself in a delicate situation as he tries to pivot to the general election. As he transitions, he doesn’t want to alienate Sanders supporters for fear they won’t show up in November.

“I think the concern is that as long as the primaries are active, Biden must be seen and must actually not be dismissive of Sanders, lest the Sanders diehards turn against him in the fall,” Demissie added. “So it's forcing the Biden team to walk a tightrope across a canyon when the bridge is right there.”

What a waste of valuable time. One freaking old bridge troll holding up the works. Maybe this is how we get rid of him so we can move on to the main event already...

[BlueIdaho]

63. Whatever...

I’m not watching and I’ll be I’m not alone.

[Demsrule86]

64. Biden is the nominee...no attention for this guy ...no more. NO DEBATE

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

67. As I said before

He love the complimentary Hors D'Ouerves and the hotel breakfast buffet too much.

[Happy Hoosier]

68. ...

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[Kahuna]

71. He was desperate that the OH primary be cancelled...So explain

why he's so hot to have the NY primary run???

[Gothmog]

73. Why have more debates???

Link to tweet

[onetexan]

75. Because Bernie decided he isn't yet done with his 15 minutes of fame.

"Empty vessels make the most sound." Lydgate

[redstatebluegirl]

77. Go away Bernie, you are beating a dead horse here.

[LAS14]

80. I think he's doing us a favor. We need all the media attention we can get. nt

[zackymilly]

86. Maybe Bernie will debate Clint Eastwood's empty chair. n/t

[NurseJackie]

89. "All by myself..."

[Doreen]

104. I have just come to the conclusion that Bernie is just an asshole.

He might as well just tell his base to vote for trump or stay home since it is obvious he is not going to be the nominee.

[flying rabbit]

106. Stick a fork in it.

Now is not the time.This is not a good look for you Bernie.