It appears that sanders will stay in primary until April 28 NY primary

[Gothmog]

Arggh.

Link to tweet

[empedocles]

1. . . . or keep on messing up until Nov. 1

[W_HAMILTON]

2. Pathetic.

I hope New Yorkers send an especially big "FU" with their votes to him and his campaign for putting us all through this, yet again, and during a global crisis no less.

His narcissism is sickening.

[jimfields33]

25. It would be awesome is NYers wrote in Governor Cuomo

It wouldn’t surprise me that he gets some votes. He’s good. I had not realized that before now. Sad he didn’t run.

[NCProgressive]

28. Yes, all Bernie supporters should write-in Cuomo - great idea!!

[Demsrule86]

34. I think all Sanders supporters should do that. Of course, many haven't bothered to

register so won't be able to vote...and New York has closed primaries too.. so sad for Sanders.

[jimfields33]

40. It won't be sanders supporters doing this

[Demsrule86]

70. I hope all Sanders' supporters do this...Sanders has no chance anyway.

[mcar]

102. ...

[Clash City Rocker]

131. Right, they'll be home playing Fortnite

They can’t be bothered to register or vote.

[Hav]

83. Right, you are only floating that stupid idea

to get some Biden voters doing this. It's only such a great gesture if non-BS voters do that. Some excellent stealth mission you've got going on there.
I hope that NY remembers how BS' actions affected the presidential run of one of their ex-Senators and send him the same message that BS received for every Super Tuesday.

[jimfields33]

38. I doubt that will happen

[Demsrule86]

44. They might as well Sanders has no chance either way...he is done. I expect New Yorkers who are

Democrats and want to get on with it have noticed Sanders' dereliction of duty while the Senate Democrats fight for a fair bill for the people...and will vote accordingly...how low can you go Sanders?

[Demsrule86]

31. No, it would be awesome if fucking Sanders gets out...Joe is our nominee, accept it.

Sanders will lose by double digits.

[jimfields33]

39. Wow. When did joe get to 1991. I missed it.

[Demsrule86]

53. Bernie math...there is no way Sanders can catch Joe...the primary is over and the longer the hangs

on, the more he helps Trump. He should have already conceded. I don't like Bernie...but I never would have expected him to behave this way when he has no chance of winning the primary and during a national crisis no less. He will not be our nominee clearly, but I am beginning to think he should be primaryed. in 24 should he run again for the Senate. The Democratic Party should offer him no beneficial treatment as they do now.

[jimfields33]

56. I will demand Bernie get out when joe gets 1991 I promise.

[Demsrule86]

71. If we wait that long given all the primaries have been cancelled thus far Sanders will reelect Trump

and his supporters will have 'helped'. There is no need for this. Democrats drop out when they can't win...the DNC will have to intervene...I personally don't think we get Sanders voters anyway...it appears cult like to me and we just need to move on.

[beastie boy]

77. Fair enough. You ar 99% there.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/

In the mean time, while you are waiting for Biden to get that extra 1%, would you consider politely requesting that Sanders drop out of the race?

[dem4decades]

64. Did you also miss he can't catch Biden? Democrats don't want Bernie, it's over.

Some one should tell Bernie he's starting to look self serving. It's not a good look. But one he seems comfortable with.

[getagrip_already]

149. If bernie stays in it is putting lives at risk needlessly

It will force a lot voters to stand in long lines and pack into crowded polling places UNNECESSARILY.

Bernie has no realistic shot. He is selfishly risking lives and handing trump an advantage.

Wake up and smell the virus.

[W_HAMILTON]

72. Well, it's nice that you Sanders people are appreciating Cuomo now...

...rather than wanting to run him off and replace him with an actress from Sex and the City like you were just a short time ago.

I guess it's just like how you talked up Biden back in 2016 once it was clear that Hillary was going to trounce Sanders -- and now you all trash him -- and how you all liked Warren back in 2016 -- until she ran in the same nomination that Sanders was, and then she became a SNAKE!

Just a sad set of situational principles on display here.

[Dream Girl]

105. In order divert divert votes from Biden??? It that the plan?Are those you marching orders.

Truly sickening.

[Turin_C3PO]

3. I'm starting

to think that the DNC should start coordinating with Biden on the work of getting Trump out of office. I don’t care if it’s bad optics.

[Demsrule86]

55. I agree with you. This isn't 16. Most reasonable Sanders supporters know it is over and will vote

for Biden...those that are still hanging in there won't anyway.

[Peacetrain]

4. My biggest nightmare is he is going to do to Joe what he did to Hillary..

He knows he is not going to be our candidate.

[DanTex]

19. You mean support him fully and do more rallies for Joe than Hillary did for Obama in 2008?

[brush]

30. Please, he was late and reluctant in supporting Hillary...

and what does 2008 have to do with now—even remotely?

[DanTex]

37. Wrong. Facts get in the way of yet another Bernie-bashing narrative.

2008 is relevant as a point of comparison. Bernie-haters like to try to blame Bernie for Hillary's loss in 2016, and the fact that Bernie did much more for HRC in 2016 than HRC did for Obama in 2008 shows how false that talking point is.

[brush]

57. SMDH, pls stop. This is now, not '08 or '16. How pathetic.

He's causing damage now.

[DanTex]

75. How is he causing damage? He's not at all. It's a primary campaign.

And Bernie's ideas and policies are more relevant than ever right now.

[Gothmog]

63. I heard sanders speak twice at the Nationacl convention

sanders was talking about himself. One speech was after we had a mini-riot at the Texas Delegation breakfast and all sanders did was talk about himself and did not mention that his delegates were disruptive the morning before

Link to tweet

[LizBeth]

96. Exactly. A lot fo gas lighting going on here. We know what we saw and it was not support.

[Cha]

165. SMH

Thank you!

[StevieM]

88. You are basing that declaration on one standard: how many public rallies did each attend.

Using that metric, HRC did 27 public rallies, Bernie did 39. But she also did large numbers of fundraisers, to help Obama cover the airwaves more thoroughly. And she did appearances before various interest groups, which helped organize support around Obama, and were also publicly covered on television. Her total number of events for Obama was in the high 50s, I believe.

And, of course, there is more to take into account than the number of events that each candidate attended. Upon dropping out of the race, Hillary famously asked her supporters to work as hard to elect Obama as they would have for her. And she delivered a rousing speech for him at the Democratic convention. She also was a lot more excited in helping to build up a narrative about what a great president he would be, while Bernie did not exactly describe electing Hillary as a great opportunity for the country.

Hillary's rousing support for Obama in 2008 was such a huge story at the time, and it continued to be talked about for many years thereafter. It amazes me that this has been so easily forgotten. That says a lot about the era that we are living in.

[LizBeth]

97. Or the fact it was HRC. Many things are 180'ed about her.

[DanTex]

109. Also the outcome, which is more Bernie primary voters went for HRC than HRC primary voters for Obama

I don't doubt that Hillary did more wine-cave style fundraisers with ultra-wealthy donors for Obama, because Bernie didn't do those at all, and even if he did, I doubt that his presence would open up the wallets of execs and corporate lobbyists.

Thing is, Bernie did do more rallies, and even if you try to juke the numbers or claim that Hillary's endorsement was more "rousing", at the end of the day Bernie was more successful in getting his voters to turn out for Hillary than she was in getting her voters to turn out for Obama.

And that's a remarkable accomplishment and a testament to the effort that Bernie put into helping Hillary's campaign. It amazes me that people ignore that and insist on blaming Bernie for Hillary's loss.

[StevieM]

119. I don't see how you can remember the two elections and conclude that Bernie was more supportive

of HRC than Clinton was for Obama.

Hillary worked tirelessly to deliver the message that Obama was the guy we needed and that the opportunity to elect him was an exciting prospect for our country.

Bernie mainly talked about the importance of beating Trump. He cultivated a narrative that she was only trying to appear progressive because he had somehow forced him to.

And this is not just about how Democrats or liberals voted. It is about how he affected her among swing-voters. Hillary had high poll numbers not too long before that election. The fake email scandal ended that. Bernie's portrayal of her fed into that story. He joined the GOP in portraying her in a negative light, in a deeply personal way. That helped them sell the fake email scandal and prevented her from rebounding, something she has been very good at over the years.

[betsuni]

159. +1

[betsuni]

160. +1

[NCProgressive]

126. Whataboutism

[NurseJackie]

133. That is not true.

After the convention he got busy "writing a book" and was absent for that crucial period in which he could have promoted unity... he could have stepped-up and been a leader... but he said nothing. He just disappeared and left his flock to wander aimlessly. Rather than giving them guidance and purpose and motivation, they simply licked their wounds and grew resentful. This is fact.

[BGBD]

172. Bernie

Let a narrative start that he had been cheated and Trump rode it right to the White House.

Bernie's go to move is playing the victim and his supporters take it to a whole new level. It's toxic.

[Hekate]

174. Someone is trying to gaslight us

[NurseJackie]

175. I think that's the last we'll hear about that...

... and for obvious reasons I won't say anything further.

[NCProgressive]

33. And give a wink and a nod to his campaign team to promote Jill Stein?

He can't run with the foxes while simultaneously chasing with the hounds again.

[DanTex]

46. LOL. "wink and nod". That's pure fabrication.

[Gothmog]

65. I was at the convention and I heard sanders speeches

sanders was talking about himself

Later sanders was busy selling book

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[George II]

111. So why were Jill Stein Voters Nina Turner and Briahna Gray among his first hires, followed....

....later by another Jill Stein voter, David Sirota?

All three bragged about voting for her, and Gray actually did an obscenity laced video of herself and posted it on Twitter.

[ehrnst]

113. It's no 'fabrication' that he hired Stein supporters for his senior staff...

[NCProgressive]

127. Furthermore, the word on the street was to defeat Hillary so Bernie could get a second shot

[Hekate]

178. DanTex, you can't induce amnesia in others by repetition of alternative facts. At least not at DU.

Do yourself a favor and give it up.

[olegramps]

49. He is an opportunist with no chance other than being a spoiler just like the last election.

He spewed the same crap as Trump on tariffs and trades agreements. Look how well that has turned out for us. He is a losing legislator with a track record of ridiculous proposals that have not had a shred of support in the congress. His fellow senators have refused to endorse him. He is more of a Marxist that Putin with his praise of communist governments that continue to be our sworn enemies and are determined to bury us.

If you think handing China the keys to total domination of the Asian markets was a good idea, then vote for Sanders and he will arrange to hand over the European markets to them as well. He talkes about reducing tariffs, well the trade agreement that he held kill would have removed 18,000 tariffs, yes that is 18,000 throughout Asia. He is a total zero two-bit demagogue no different than the abomination that he helped put in office.

[Gothmog]

60. You mean the events where sanders sold his new book and talked about himself?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

156. And became a millionaire. nt

[beastie boy]

61. Bernie made a deal, Dan. And you know it.

In exchange for his tacit support for Hillary and appearing in about 30 rallies in 4 months, he got to re-write the Democratic Party platform.

A small price to pay for an Independent loser to wield so much power in the Democratic Party. And still, a full 12% of his followers voted for Trump. With full support like this, who needs third parties? The Democrats got the short end of the stick, which is not likely to happen again.

[NCProgressive]

129. Exactly

One would question which side Bernie is on ... on the Democrats' side or is he stealthily working to elect republicans.

[Demsrule86]

62. That is a campaign talking point and is untrue...and he didn't do shit until the fall of 16.

All summer he said nothing and did nothing. He did not help Hillary as he could have in the general. Now, we need to move on. He isn't going to help Biden so there is no reason to keep this going in the futile hope, we can win over Sanders voters....we will win some but not all...Biden is the presumptive nominee...not going to play the Sanders game in 2020. Sanders should be ashamed of himself IMHO.He needs to concede and not continue to hurt our chances of beating Trump...I see no real desire to beat Trump in the Sanders campaign and in Sanders himself.

[Gothmog]

67. sanders was busy writing a new book that he was selling at the events

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

76. I know Goth...you have get your priorities straight...lets milk the election for every dollar and

all...a big who cares if that elects Trump! And history repeats it seems.




we are going to have to grow a pair and move on. The DNC will need to intervene. I see no other way. Set a date for when the primaries must end, and any state that hasn't voted by then doesn't send delegates...they should encourage vote by mail primaries where possible.

[George II]

79. Hillary Clinton was by Obama's side when Obama kicked off his formal campaign....

....she was with him for most of his post-convention bus tour.

She did so much, and Obama was so pleased, that he chose her for probably the most important cabinet post following the disastrous bush administration - Secretary of State.

Many of Sanders' appearances were small events in and around New England, driving distance from home. And his first appearance was on Labor Day, about six weeks after the convention adjourned.

[DanTex]

84. LOL. Really desperate to ignore the facts and bash Bernie.

The facts are clear. Bernie did more rallies for Hillary than she did for Obama. And, as a result, a greater percentage of Bernie voters voted HRC than HRC voters voted for Obama in 2008.

I think the single most glaring indication that Bernie-bashers are driven by irrational hatred (and there are many) is the fact that they consistently ignore these obvious and plain truths and insist on blaming Bernie for Hillary's 2016 loss despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[George II]

92. If that's the case I'm sure you could give us the numbers, right?

[StevieM]

94. I blame Bernie for the fact that he treated her like she was Joe Liberman.

By the time he was done with her young voters thought that she was barely a Democrat. They didn't realize that her approach as president would have been very similar to that of Barack Obama.

He also helped to sell the narrative that she supposedly had all sorts of power to get away with doing terrible things, even if she was guilty, and that definitely helped to sell the fake email scandal, which dominated that election more than every other issue combined.

[blm]

100. If that claim about 08 is true then McCain beat Obama n 2008.

Internet myths are helpful to no one.

[ehrnst]

118. Projection...

[NCProgressive]

130. In none of his rallies did he ask to vote for Clinton

[Cha]

154. Nah.. it's not "clear" at all.

[Jamaal510]

171. The math from both elections...

"And, as a result, a greater percentage of Bernie voters voted HRC than HRC voters voted for Obama in 2008."

...doesn't seem to support this claim.

[StevieM]

95. It is incredible that this story about Hillary in 2008 is actually being told.

Hillary's rousing support for Obama in 2008 was such a huge story at the time, and it continued to be talked about for many years thereafter. It amazes me that this has been so easily forgotten. That says a lot about the era that we are living in.

[George II]

101. Yes, she wholeheartedly supported Obama even before the convention ended, and....

....continued on through the fall. She didn't wait more than a month to get into campaign mode.

[Gothmog]

82. Are you kidding?/

Clinton dropped out and endorsed President Obama immediately after California primary. Clinto dropped out a couple of days before Texas state party convention. I was involved in a couple of credential fights that went away due to Clinton’s actions

Do you want to dis uss heo Sanders vetted delegates acted at the National Convention?. My middle child was the chaperone for some high school students who attended the w008 convention. There were no fights at that convention

You are entitle to you own opinion but not your own facts

[DanTex]

85. Those are the facts! I know it's inconvenient to Bernie-haters, but it's the truth.

Bernie did more rallies. And more Bernie primary voters went for HRC over Trump than HRC primary voters went for Obama over McCain.

Might be mind-boggling to people that have thoroughly digested the false anti-Bernie narratives promulgated by Republicans like Jennifer Rubin, but facts are facts.

[ehrnst]

120. Says the fan of the anti-Democratic narratives promulgated by Jacobin.

[ehrnst]

123. LOL at all the outrage. He's probably not going to win, why are you so upset?

[Cha]

153. Omg.. you are so wrong.

[Gothmog]

170. You are wrong as to the number of sanders supporters who did not support Hillary Clinton

Link to tweet

[The Magistrate]

104. The Technical Term For That Statement, Sir, Is Bullshit

Sanders did not do what he had to do be an effective supporter for Mrs. Clinton and the Democratic ticket.

Which was to apologize for his conduct, and own up to his lies about corruption on Mrs. Clinton's part. He needed to say he had not told the truth in his attacks on her, and to say he regretted having smeared a fine woman who would make a great President. He needed to acknowledge he lost fair and square, because he was not the choice of Democratic Party voters, as registered by Mrs. Clinton's receiving several million more votes than he did. He needed to tell his supporters to pack it in, and that he disowned them as splinterists and wreckers if they did not. A gentlemen would done all of this, though a gentleman would not have conducted himself as Sanders did in the first place.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[The Magistrate]

121. Again, Sir, You Are Simply Repeating Bullshit

He did nothing but give his stump-speech with a few additions.

The other factoid is not a fact, but one interpretation of polling data that is open to serious question, as exit polling does not show any unusual bulge in Democrat voting Republican responses, which necessarily would be there if the claim you make was accurate. A certain proportion of a party's proclaimed adherents vote for the other side in an election, and that ran to a normal range in 2008.

It remains a fact, Sanders did not do what he had to do to be an effective advocate for Mrs. Clinton, and the breadth and depth of his failure in this regard may be read above. There is no need for me to repeat it. Doubtless you will trot back with your yapping little factoids, but repetition will not lend them any greater weight, or make them any more accurate a description of events in the past.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[NurseJackie]

155. Not any more, apparently.

[betsuni]

161. ...

[Cha]

164. ..

The Magisstrate

[joshcryer]

158. And he should have announced his support for her days, not months, after being disqualified.

Instead he did the exact opposite.

[Cha]

166. Rofl!

[Hekate]

179. Now that's calling something by its right name. Thank you, Sir. nt

[The Magistrate]

180. Thank You, Ma'am

There are times when nothing short of the bluntest vernacular can serve the purpose.



"Like a putrid mackerel by moonlight, he doth both stink and shine."

[ehrnst]

112. Like the ones where he started off by reciting the number of pledged delegates he got?

Didn't help him get the nomination after HRC fainted, did it?

[Happy Hoosier]

132. LOL... "fully"

Question: Do you think Hillary Clinton will make a good President?

Sanders: I think it's important that Donald Trump is not elected.


Yeah..... "fully"

I remember hearing that on TV and knew what the Bros were doing....

[NurseJackie]

134. Yeah, that was pretty bad. Always passive aggressive. Couldn't even "fake it" for just a few weeks.

[Gothmog]

184. sanders was really bad at this-here is how a real Democrat handles this situation

Here is the way that a real Democrat handled this issue

Link to tweet

[William769]

5. He loves moving the bar. nt

[ucrdem]

6. What is with this guy.

When does he figure out that he's turned himself into a punchline?

[Docreed2003]

7. Just like '16

Back then it was "we're going to fight on to California because it THERE that we will win the nomination"...smdh

[Indykatie]

8. This is About the Benjamins - You Can't Continue to Raise Money if You're Not Running

It's sad that he will continue to have supporters give their time and money to a losing cause. He knows he can't catch Biden in delegates but persists. The enmity many Dems feel for him is justified.

[HarlanPepper]

9. Nobody cares, Bernie

[frazzled]

10. There are 8 primaries currently scheduled between now and April 28

April 4, Hawaii
April 7, Wisconsin
April 10, Alaska
April 17 Wyoming
April 26, Puerto Rico
April 28, Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania

Some of these might be rescheduled even yet. But even if not, it is highly doubtful that Sanders would take any of them, except perhaps Wyoming, Alaska, or Hawaii—all low delegate count states

[world wide wally]

11. Bernie, nothing personal, but we don't NEED you to be President...

What we do NEED is for Trump to be gone. It's really ok if Biden is in.
Go home now, Bernie

[bluestarone]

12. And if NY postpones it?

Then what? SAD just SAD!

[ucrdem]

13. They will.

All the big ones will. So effectively Sanders is exploiting the crisis to keep raising money. That's pretty deplorable.

[bluestarone]

15. I would like to see NY cancel NOW!

All states should cancel NOW! END of story!

[ucrdem]

17. Cuomo has said he's working on it.

There are headlines in Google news.

[jimfields33]

29. That'd be pretty awesome.

Keep both from getting to 1991. Interesting tactic you have there.

[NCProgressive]

41. No - the delegates will be subtracted from the numerator AND the denominator

The total required will be 1991-(cancelled delegates/2)

[George II]

80. Which would put Biden even closer to the nomination.

[bluestarone]

45. SO your all for Bernie NO MATTER the cost?

People will get sick and some die! FOR WHAT? SAD!

[Demsrule86]

68. The delegates in the primaries that won't happen will be subtracted from the total needed so Sanders

will be in worse shape.

[NCProgressive]

125. Yes - if all the remaining primaries are canceled, Biden has already won.

[Demsrule86]

69. So we should continue a primary that Sanders can't win where people could die as a result?

Well that shows clearly, that Sanders should not be our nominee and thankfully won't.

[George II]

90. Of course. The reason many are giving for Sanders not being in Washington on Sunday to vote....

....was that he should stay away from possible contamination. But fuck it, let's put millions of Americans in a position to be exposed to the virus, right?

[Thekaspervote]

14. Or, even if they don't...sanders tanks then "I'm going to reassess" and waits to the next primary

[bluestarone]

16. YEP!

I see that too!

[Sloumeau]

18. The Bernie Sanders "Praying For A Miracle" campaign.

Come on everybody, if wishing can help Tinkerbell, it can help here too!

[CincyDem]

24. Like the religious right praying for a miracle cure to Covid. Right... n/t

[DanTex]

20. Awesome! And LOL at all the outrage. He's probably not going to win, what's everyone so upset about?

[ucrdem]

22. He's probably not going to make it to April, either.

I'll be mildly surprised if he's still in by midnight tonight. Just a hunch.

[George II]

47. Awesome? If "he's probably not going to win", what's the point? He certainly doesn't have....

....anything new to campaign on, no new positions.

So what would be accomplished by waiting more than another month to admit the inevitable? Anything other than putting off Biden's general election campaign for another month and delaying the DNC's entry into the general election campaign for a month?

[DanTex]

51. Yes, awesome.

As a progressive I think it's great that Bernie stays in the race and keeps pushing his policy ideas, which are more relevant than ever in light of the coronavirus. Bernie's movement is the future of the Democratic Party, and he should stay in the race as long as he can, even if his chances are slim.

[TexasTowelie]

136. I believe that Bernie's movement has been resoundingly rejected by the Democratic Party.

Proof: Bernie is running about 300 delegates behind Biden at this point in the primary contest. QED.

[George II]

140. In other words, you're cheering on his spoiler role?

[femmedem]

59. I'm upset that people will be risking their lives to vote when we should all be staying home.

LOL if you want but I don't find it funny at all.

[Demsrule86]

108. Dan you have been around a long time...you know how fundraising works. We can't begin to put a

war chest in place for Biden and down ballot races until Sanders is out officially. Trump has huge amounts of money already so Sanders is risking the General and could reelect Trump. So please don't insult my intelligence. You know why he should get out and that he has no chance of winning.

The question with everything now on the line, why would Sanders not do it right now so we could turn to getting Trump out...with the Corona virus...fundraising will be a big issue. My husband has lost his job as has my sister, brother, son and one daughter...I will soon lose mine: so we will struggle to put food on the table if Corona goes on for any length of time;there will be no funds for campaign contributions;funding our campaigns will be a big problem. It is more important to get Trump out and as many GOP types as we can...the latest meme is those over 60 should happily sacrifice their lives for the 'economy'...and of course for the 'children'. These folks are sociopaths and must be shown the door in November along with sociopath in chief-Trump.

The priority has to be getting fucking Trump and his GOP minions out or should be...not assuaging Sanders' hurt feeling or lining his pockets with additional campaign contributions.

[ehrnst]

122. "Bernie is going to win." - DanTex

[The Magistrate]

21. The Man Will Do As He Did In 2016, Ma'am

Party sachems need to stop treating this blackmailer with kid gloves.

As a point of reference, in 2016 it was after Sanders' abject failure in the New York primary that my teenage grandsons were so repelled by his refusal to accept defeat that they went from supporting the man to denouncing him as 'a whiny little b____ ,' in no time at all.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[ucrdem]

23. Smart kids!

[The Magistrate]

42. I Would Point Out, Sir, That I Did Not Argue The Matter With Them

I let them know what I thought, certainly, but made no attempt to oppose beyond that. You have to let young people develop with only the minimum necessary interference. Of course they know if they ever vote for a Republican my ghost will haunt them to the end of their days....


"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement."

[NurseJackie]

26. It really serves no good purpose. It gives his surrogates more opportunities to kneecap Biden.

It's a dangerous game. It really serves no good purpose. His top campaign staff continue their efforts at kneecapping Biden and denigrating the party. Such efforts do not help Bernie at this late date. But it does help to divide and weaken the Democratic party.

He needs to accept reality. Everyone in the real world knows that Bernie will NOT be our party's nominee. He's lost. It's over. It's BEEN over.

It's a lost cause. The voters have made it clear: We are Democrats... WE DO NOT WANT BERNIE & WE DO NOT WANT SOCIALISM.

For him to continue on his quixotic path will only create deeper divisions and distrust. His motives are suspicious and clearly do not have the best interest of the party (or the country) in mind. It only generates negativity.

Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

What good purpose does that serve. Is one person's ego and pride worth it? He needs to just swallow his pride and do the right thing.

[jimfields33]

35. Good grief he was VP for 8 years

If he can’t handle a little criticism after that, then what. He’s on tv (the view) right now. Nobody is stopping him.

[NurseJackie]

43. Stop it. You know better.

If he can’t handle a little criticism after that, then what.

Accusations of being senile are not "criticism" and you know it. Stop it. You know better. "Good grief" indeed.

[jimfields33]

48. I haven't heard that's in days thankfully

That was played out. No traction. I agree that was not right.

[NurseJackie]

87. You know what else is "not right"?

I agree that was not right.

You know what else is "not right"? No other candidate campaigns against the Democratic party, just Bernie.

He hired some really deplorable people to be the faces of his campaign. He made the Democratic party, their leadership and with that some of their best politicians his enemies who conspire against him.

The rhetoric coming from him and from his campaign has a toxic and erosive effect. He deliberately plays that dangerous game and is fully aware that campaigning like this will turn his supporters away from the Democratic Party if he doesn't win the nomination.

No other Democrat behaves like this and it creates frustration and anger among Democrats because we've been through this before. It contributed to getting Trump elected and despite all that, BS doesn't care about it and still plays the same game.

All I'm trying to say is that it serves NO GOOD PURPOSE for his quixotic game to continue. It's divisive and it harms the party, it weakens the party. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[NCProgressive]

145. His core supporters are probably not Democrats either

they are on forums like these only to pump Bernie and not for the good of the Democratic party.

[Hekate]

181. Based on observed behavior here and elsewhere...

... I have concluded they are not only not Dems, but they will not vote for The Democratic Nominee regardless of how many concessions the Party makes to Bernie. It's beyond the hurt feelings and sulks of the politically naive (i.e. the young supporters) -- Sanders and such elders as they have are intentional and acting in bad faith.

Accusations against me of bashing and hatred in 3...2...1...

[George II]

50. It's not criticism, it's putting off a VERY important general election campaign for another month!

[jimfields33]

52. It isn't though

Joes on the view right now. He’s on everyday giving a campaign speech that diagnosis trump’s daily rally. He’s everywhere getting his message out. I doubt anything would change if Bernie left. With Bernie staying in he’s giving joe the opportunity to move from the center to center left where the country is. I’m happy for that and you should be too.

[George II]

66. Yes, I saw that. And about a third of the questions were about Sanders. What's this perceived....

....concept of Sanders moving Biden from center to center left? HE ALREADY IS, and nothing Sanders is going to do or say is going to change any of that.

Continuing to falsely say that Biden is in "the center" is becoming very insulting. I wish it would stop. Biden is right where the country is RIGHT NOW! And I'm happy with where he is, as are the majority of Democrats.

[BidenBacker]

107. The American electorate probably resembles something of a Bell curve

If Joe is the green line and Bernie is the blue line I fail to understand how moving in that direction doesn't end up costing Joe a whole lotta votes in the middle just to maybe pick up a few on the far left.

[The Magistrate]

124. In Fact, Sir

The sort of left factions Sanders represents, by their resolve to demonstrate they cannot be relied on in a general election, force the Party to campaign more towards the center, and even the right, in hopes of making up for the strength these left factions are always willing to subtract from the Party's total, for reasons which are, put bluntly, mostly naive moonshine.

To proclaim 'you can't count on me if you don't tickle me just right' is, to put it at its mildest, a self-defeating strategy.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[BidenBacker]

139. Seems to me

that the Democrats have a rare gift horse in Joe Biden. He is a true-blue diehard liberal who for whatever reason is also acceptable to many in the middle...moderate and even conservative Dems and Indies and some Trump-hating Republicans. Whether they support Joe despite him being to their left because they believe he is trustworthy, perceive him as a good empathetic soul or they just despise Trump is somewhat irrelevant...a vote counts the same regardless of the reason it was cast.

Instead of appealing to a somewhat fringe element on one extreme of the political spectrum seems to me the Dems ought not look a gift horse in the mouth and just run with him as is. Republican strategists are watching Biden like a hawk at the moment to see how much he ends up conceding to Bernie in order to woo some of his unreliable supporters and they will use this as ammo to hammer the middle during the GE campaign.

[The Magistrate]

141. Perhaps, Sir

Personally, I am not fond of the fellow at all. There is no need for us to dispute this, and you would waste your time trying to change my mind. You are in a position to gauge my commitment to the candidate of the Democratic Party, and my willingness to put my personal views aside and work for the best possible outcome for our people and our country.

"This is the best world possible. Everything in it is a necessary evil."



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[BidenBacker]

143. I liked Bernie a lot

when he first started showing up on TV many years ago (long before his 2016 run) and he began gaining national prominence.

I am liking him a lot less as a presidential candidate, however. Some guys are advance men while others are actual doers and BS strikes me as solidly in the former camp.

[The Magistrate]

144. Professor Warren Was My Preferred Candidate, Sir

Sanders I will never forgive for his conduct in the 2016 primary and campaign, and I charge every excess by his supporters against the man personally.

"The troops are the mirror of their officer."

[BidenBacker]

150. Must admit

that my feelings toward Warren somewhat mirror how I feel about Sanders. I was very much impressed by her as she too rose on the national stage but soured on her slightly after she became a candidate. But it was nowhere near to the extent that it has been with Bernie.

But I am a somewhat biased judge...I was a Biden boy way back in 2008 and thought he was the best candidate for the job even then. There was nobody in the 2020 field that changed my mind, although I thought that many of the candidates would have made very good presidents...some of whom never even made it to Iowa just as Joe failed to do back in 2008.

Anyway, whenever you got your ticket punched I'm glad that you are on board the Biden bandwagon now...I saved a seat way up front if you wanna move up some and get a little closer to Joe!

[NCProgressive]

147. Joe Biden is a progressive to the core

This "centrist" thing is an ullerly devious and false meme propagated to keep Bernie's followers in a constant trance of pseudo-progressivism asking for unattainable goals with anger at people who disagree with them.

[BidenBacker]

152. I think Joe

would surprise a lot of people while pleasing progressives if we can just get him into office along with enough Dems in Congress to give him sufficient political clout to make things happen. But push him too far in that direction before the election and force him to commit too soon and we might never get the chance to see what he would do.

"Patience is a virtue" is an old saying that it appears many young Sanders supporters haven't yet lived long enough to have learned. Maybe somebody should put that in a tweet so it will show up on their smart phones they constantly have their noses buried in.

[The Magistrate]

74. You Know, Sir

"This pretense of not knowing what any fool knows has come to predominate in our political discourse."

No one is trying to protect Mr. Biden, at least not in the sense you clearly mean.

Sander's course present two chief difficulties.

First, the longer he persists, the more riled and bitter at his defeat a portion of his supporters becomes. People who might be amenable to sober consideration of consequences today might not be, if 'Bernie' keeps up his shrill charade till May or June.

Second, Sanders in campaigning will make charges that will allow the press, eager to display 'balance', to claim charges made by Republicans in the general election reflect bi-partisan concerns over these matters. This will give them greater weight in the public mind.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[mcar]

106. So, calling your opponent senile

is a "little criticism?" And yet, there are people on this board who are vehemently complaining about being "cyberbullied" and "attacked" on DU because of the criticism Sanders gets for refusing to concede.

[Squinch]

27. Just frikkin pathetic.

[still_one]

32. and if he loses NY I won't be surprised if he says he will stay in until June 2

[NCProgressive]

36. This gives credence to my speculation that getting the nomination is not Bernie's goal

His goal appears to be to destroy the Democratic party for the benefit of someone.

[The Magistrate]

78. He Hopes To Rule The Wreckage, Sir

"Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."

[MineralMan]

54. Oh, dear. I guess we'll have to keep talking about him here, then...

I was so hopeful.

[relayerbob]

58. OPen letter to Bernie Sanders

Dear Bernie,

Please go away.

Signed,

85% of the US Population

[RandySF]

73. WHY??

So he can keep getting clobbered?

[Kahuna]

81. NY is not going to let Bernie have the 4/28 primary all to himself...

They're already seeking alternatives to the in person 4/28 primary. Nice try though, Bernie.

[Me.]

86. What Makes Him Think NYers Like Him?

[BidenBacker]

93. He probably checked out 538's predictions

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/new-york/

And said "Wow! I'm gonna pick up 90 delegates!".

[Me.]

98. And Would That Give Him The Win?

No.

[BidenBacker]

99. Hey

What can I say? It's "Bernie Math".

[Hoyt]

89. Hope to heck NY doesn't have to delay the election. It's time to focus on trump.

[Hav]

91. I think the title should be

at least until the NY primary if that primary will be even held that day. It makes no sense to stop after getting clobbered in a state that is expensive to run ads in. Unless this is another of BS' hail marys like Michigan, Washington, Illinois...

[honest.abe]

103. Sounds like he's in it all the way to convention to create as much havoc as possible.

I dont think he will have as much negative impact as he did in 2016 but he certainly wont be helping our cause.

[BidenBacker]

110. 2nd verse

same as the 1st!

[Blasphemer]

116. Best response to an attention seeker is to ignore them.

That's my plan moving forward. I wish DU would do the same and just make a GE forum.

[helpisontheway]

117. He is just trying to remain relevant. I hope the voters in The remaining

voters send him an unmistakable message. He could have left with grace but he wants to go out fighting dirty. Fine way to spend your remaining days as a senator, Bernie.

[Happy Hoosier]

128. Who cares? Time to move on. NT

[NurseJackie]

138. I care. If his smears and attacks on the Democratic party (and the process) are not refuted...

I care. If his smears and attacks on the Democratic party (and the process) are not refuted, then they become "fact" in the minds of many. By not dropping out and endorsing Joe Biden, it gives his surrogates more opportunities to kneecap Biden.

It's a dangerous game. It really serves no good purpose. His top campaign staff continue their efforts at kneecapping Biden and denigrating the party. Such efforts do not help Bernie at this late date. But it does help to divide and weaken the Democratic party.

We can't ignore that. This isn't just something that loyal Democrats "ignore" and "move on" from. It's a threat that must continually be addressed. It's an unnecessary distraction that prevents us from being able to focus all of our attention on bringing down Trump and the GOP.

[Happy Hoosier]

146. You're right...

I just don't wanna get bogged down winning a contest that's already over.

Too bad a certain someone doesn't get it.

[NurseJackie]

151. I want it to be over too.

[degage]

135. Completely selfish and irresponsible.

Bernie should stop thinking of himself and think of the nation. The same way Mayor Pete and Klobuchar did when they ended their run and backed the actual Democrat in the race.

Very over Bernie. Over him being a Democrat when he needs us and an anti-establishment crusader when he doesn't think he needs us.

[still_one]

137. who?

[Devil Child]

142. Fine by me n/t

[rusty fender]

148. His "just the best people" staff

need the money

[oasis]

167. Biden's team will have no use for those characters in the G.E..

They're an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

[rusty fender]

169. They're not Democrats

[NurseJackie]

157. Why is he torturing his faithful flock?

More humiliation and disappointment ahead. What good purpose does that serve?

[Tarheel_Dem]

162. $$$$$$.👋

[betsuni]

163. Arggh indeed.

[Gothmog]

168. Arggh

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

173. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[liberalmuse]

176. I hope Biden ignores him.

And focuses all his energy on Trump, the GOP and their non-response to the Covid-19 crisis, among other things. I'm seriously wondering if Bernie isn't getting his orders from Putin. I really, really have to question his motivation right now. It is either incredibly self-centered, or he is trying to continue to divide liberals and help Trump get another term. I just don't understand what good it's doing having him overstay his welcome.

[LiberalFighter]

177. Remind New Yorkers that he left Brooklyn to go to Vermont.

Stayed 4 years after spending time in Chicago. In 1968, he moved to Stannard, Vermont. Population 88.

In the 1960's, Vermont's minority consisted of less than 800. So how did he continue his civil rights activism?

[Gothmog]

182. Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him?

Link to tweet

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-joe-biden-2020-voters-establishment.html

Sanders advisers told the New York Times they believed they had been on the precipice of sweeping to victory on Super Tuesday, until Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg dropped out and endorsed Biden. Ben Tulchin, a Sanders pollster, claimed the candidate was “on the brink of winning until the most unprecedented event in the history of presidential primaries occurred.”

It is hardly unprecedented for the fifth- and sixth-place candidates to drop out of a race after four primaries. Yet Sanders himself has fixated on this decision as evidence of an Establishment conspiracy. Appearing on ABC’s This Week several days later, he described it as “the power of the Establishment to force Amy Klobuchar, who had worked so hard, Pete Buttigieg, who had really worked extremely hard as well, out of the race.”

From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway.

Sanders campaign spokesman Mike Casca argued, “Because of the agenda that he’s putting forward, a lot of super wealthy forces are aligned against him.” But Sanders has enjoyed a wide spending advantage over Biden, who at the key juncture was operating on a shoestring budget. If Michael Bloomberg had won, it would have been fair to wonder if he had bought the nomination. Biden’s appeal to the electorate was authentic, not purchased.

[Polybius]

183. Good

That's my primary. I wanna vote for him.