Criticism of Bernie Sanders Will Cease Here Immediately

[MineralMan]

upon his withdrawal as a primary candidate for the Democratic nomination for President. Until then, he remains a candidate for that nomination and he will be discussed in the Democratic Primary forum on DU. Why would that not be so?

Are some people criticizing him here? Of course they are. We are in the middle of a primary campaign, and he is a candidate. When he is not, there will be no reason to discuss his activities or lack of them. Some people here also criticize Joe Biden, for the same reason.

We are not discussing the other candidates, all of whom have withdrawn, except for Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. That's what this forum discusses. Current candidates.

It is incorrect to label any posts here that point out shortcomings of a candidate as "bashing." They are not that. They are part of the primary race discussion.

I, and others, have called on Bernie Sanders to withdraw from the race, because he has no path to the nomination at this point. I, and others, have called for him to also enthusiastically endorse the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee. He has not done neither, so he is still a candidate and a topic for discussion here.

[Peacetrain]

1. Amen to that!!

[George II]

2. It doesn't look like that will happen for at least a month:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287684268

[LongtimeAZDem]

3. When any long-time member complains about "bashing", I do a site search using their

username and "Hillary". It's usually pretty revealing.

[Thekaspervote]

6. Why does this not surprise?! Thx for sharing...guess we will continue to defend Biden and the dems

[MineralMan]

7. Well, yes.

I tend to focus on now, though. I have done your exercise, though, from time to time, and it's very revealing, indeed.

[betsuni]

32. Same.

But I start with a different version of the name, replace y with ian.

[LakeArenal]

4. Talk of him as an unwilling Democrat

who declared war on his partime party. Who twice has been shown to be a sore loser. Who hires Green Party Russia approved folks who also deplore the party and the other candidates of that party.

Who spouts half-truths about others in order to diminish them to his advantage.

Finally, one of those that are responsible the unfortunate removal of Al Franken.

[The Magistrate]

5. Quite True, Sir

Let the man concede he has lost the contest to be nominated for President by the Democratic Party, let him forswear publicly any attempts at blackmailing disruption over platform and rules at the convention, and let him give a full-throated endorsement of Mr. Biden. No one will mention his name again.

Of course, that could be why he does not do these things....



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Thekaspervote]

8. +1000

[MineralMan]

9. Your Astute Observations Are Quite Instructive, Sir.

[Celerity]

10. I doubt it.

Too much ill will built up.

All that will happen is the subject for attacks will shift, and it will occur in a different forum as this one will be closed down.

This will, rightly or wrongly, never be a Sanders-friendly forum again, if it ever was (I hear many conflicting stories about 2015/16, which was well before my time here.) It simply isn't going to happen, for many reasons. partially becuase of Sanders himself, partially over ideology and overall orientation.

I myself just wish he would drop out, and at least thus remove the overwhelming amount of argy bargy atm.

I am quite sad that one of my favourite posters here, Brooklynite, was just banned, after 18 years here. I am fairly sure it had to do with some Bernie brawl post that he waded into and said something that pissed off enough people, certain people on a jury, and thus poof he goes. Who knows.

[MineralMan]

11. I don't think so. I believe it will end quickly.

However, now there is talk of Sanders staying in until after the New York primary, at the end of next month. What a pity. I guess he'll still be topic of threads here.

I didn't know about Brooklynite. That is a sad turn of events. Perhaps he'll be back shortly. He is one of our most knowledgeable politically active DUers.

[brush]

12. Sorry about Brooklynite. Is it long-term?

How did it happen?

[Celerity]

13. I have no idea what happened or if it is temp, I just happened to click on his profile and saw he

was FFR'ed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=112524

He was always very nice to me and I loved his insider info. His postings at real events with some great pics were very much appreciated by me. TBH, I have never read a post by him that I would have considered remotely worthy of a hide, but it isn't like I have read EVERY post he made.

[brush]

14. Something's up for a long-term regular like that to get banned.

[Celerity]

15. all it takes is 5 successful alerts within a 90 day period and poooof

[OnDoutside]

17. I'm sorry to hear that, sounds like he got really unlucky with jury selections. How long do these

bans last ?

[Celerity]

18. forever unless the admins grant you a reprieve

[Turin_C3PO]

19. The admins

can be pretty reasonable if it’s a long term poster who got screwed by the jury. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back soon. I hope so, at least.

[Celerity]

20. +1

I hope so!

[Turin_C3PO]

22. I'm honestly

surprised he got five hides. He could be blunt but I never saw him go over the top into personal insults or anything like that.

[Celerity]

25. exactly my thoughts as well, I had no idea he even had one hide, let alone 5

[xmas74]

34. I'm not surprised.

Some of the recent juries have been crazy.

[OnDoutside]

27. God that's terrible, he's a good guy and a great contributor to the site. Can we make

representations on his behalf, or is that not allowed ?

[Celerity]

28. I have no idea to be completely honest.

I hope they let him back.

[OnDoutside]

29. I'm with you on that !

[CaliforniaPeggy]

35. My dear Celerity!

FFR is Flagged for Review. It is not necessarily a banning. Sometimes the Admins let them go on like that indefinitely, and sometimes they don't.

It depends on the member's conduct. I cannot imagine that they would permanently ban brooklynite.

I sure hope not. That would hurt the community.

[Celerity]

36. hey my Dear Peggy

Yes, I guess I was not so precise with my language. He was not banned by the Admins (Posting Privileges Revoked), but via too many hides.

But, like you said, it is permanent unless the Admins intervene.

I so hope you are staying safe!

huggiezzzz

Cel

<3

[CaliforniaPeggy]

37. My husband and I are very safe! Not to worry.

In case you didn't know, members who are FFR'd can still read posts and threads and they can respond to private messages. I sent him one, offering my support. I hope he'll see it.

It makes me very sad.

[Turin_C3PO]

21. My memory of 2015-2016

is that Sanders supporters dominated with a significant minority supporting Clinton. I was one of those Sanders supporters but I never disliked Hillary. After Clinton was nominated, a fair chunk of the Sanders supporters wanted to keep blasting Clinton, so they left or were banned.

[Celerity]

24. sound like fun, NOT.......... glad I missed it

[xmas74]

33. I had no idea about Brooklynite

When did that happen?

[Ellen Forradalom]

16. When Bernie puts country above party

and party above his faction and himself, then we can talk.

Until then he's a destructive force and merits the strongest criticism.

[The Magistrate]

23. Well Said, Ma'am

Well said indeed.

[getagrip_already]

26. Bernie is needlessly risking lives by forcing people to vote...

In long lines and packed polling places just because of personal ambition.

And for what? He has no path left.

But supporters on both sides will need to turn out. That wouldn't be necessary if he suspends his campaign.

Its selfish and irresponsible at this point.

[fishwax]

30. I highly doubt your subject line, though I agree with the body of your post

[thesquanderer]

31. I agree, pointing out shortcomings of a candidate is not bashing. whether Sanders or Biden. But...

...that doesn't mean that there aren't postings here that ARE bashing.

If a criticism is relevant and backed up by facts, presented in proper context, etc. that's not a bash. If stuff is misleading, missing important context, irrelevant, or just a virtual primal scream against someone, that's another story.

[MineralMan]

39. I am only responsible for my own posts.

They are the only ones I can control. So, I can't respond to posts relating to posts from others.

[USALiberal]

38. LOL, ok! nt

[LostOne4Ever]

40. Just like happened here in 2016?

If memory serves me correctly the attacks on Bernie didn't stop. Just the ability to respond to them.

But anyway, I don't mind criticism of Bernie. I mind all the Bashing. By which I mean personal attacks, insults, lies, etc. Things that have nothing to do with simple policy differences but attacks against the man personally.

From calling him a Naricisist:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287681606

To saying he cuts a poor figure of a man:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287681606

Which they even admit wasn't reference to his masculity but his character:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=685119

Those are not criticism as expected in a heated but respectful debate. Those are personal attacks...against a man who caucuses with the democrats and supports our causes. A man who stood up for Civil rights in the 60's and Gay soliders in the 90s. A man who has fought for universal healthcare for decades.

You don't have to like him. You can criticize him till the cows come hope. You can mention that he probably wouldn't be able to get any of his agenda passed. That he has no chance of winning. You can discuss why you feel he should drop out. I don't have issues with any of that. But I do have issues with how personal attacks against him and Sander's supporters that happen here all the time. If someone said some of the things about Biden here like they say about Bernie they would get their posts RIGHTFULLY hidden.