Sanders surrogate (and shadow Jane Sanders employee) is still bashing Biden on Twitter:

[George II]

Link to tweet

[MineralMan]

1. Uffda!

[zonkers]

2. Just drink the Kool Aid, bro. Ignore the inconvenient truths... for the team.

[LizBeth]

5. Truth? Give me the lead up to that vote and lets see how much truth you have.

[zonkers]

6. I'm with you. Biden. Biden Biden. What time do the shadow corona briefings start?

[NCProgressive]

11. Please don't let Sanders' decisive loss affect the morale.

He still has a chance in 2028

[padah513]

18. Or maybe Biden could

Hold an online coronavirus summit with the squad and a musical guest on board but no doctors or medical experts. Just saying.

[Cha]

76. Ding!!

[LizBeth]

42. So you can't or won't say the truth of it. Just a one sentence diss.

[Cha]

75. BS Lost.. and he Spent 3x MORE $$$$ than Biden to do it.

[tirebiter]

8. What does this have to do with covid 19?

Absolutely nothin’!

[NCProgressive]

10. Disingenuous at best.

[spudspud]

15. Nice one.

[Sloumeau]

38. The Worf reply is the good reply. :) nt

[Turin_C3PO]

12. Oh please.

Where the hell is Sanders today, btw?

[marble falls]

28. Meanwhile Bernie can miss even more important votes by singing kumbyah with a pack ...

of whiners.

Too bad those Berners forgot about the primaries.

[LizBeth]

3. Bush and Republicans put us in Iraq. Quit blaming the Dems. Republicans own it.

[Sloumeau]

4. Matt Orfalea continues to be both pathetic and cluless. :) nt

[R B Garr]

7. It's hard to figure what's worse -- a punk or a

simpleton. This guy seems to embrace them both.

[William769]

9. I wish that cabal would just disappear. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Does anybody even care any more? Nobody is paying attention to Bernie

and his hatchet men. It's over.

[DanTex]

16. About the Iraq War? A lot of people do, yeah.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Nobody cares about Bernie and the bros any more

no matter how hard they try beating that very dead horse.

[DanTex]

24. Some people still care about the Iraq War. In Iraq especially.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Everybody acknowledges the Iraq war was a colossal disaster.

But it was Bush's war. Nobody cares anymore which Senators voted for the AUMF in 2002, which was most of them. We are in the middle of an existential crisis right now, and Bernie has made himself irrelevant by continuing to beat that dead horse.

[DanTex]

34. I don't know why you keep saying "nobody" cares.

Some people care, some people don't. To be more precise, progressives mostly care, and centrist mostly don't.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Some so-called "progressives," whose definition still escapes me,

are grasping at almost 20-year-old straws to try to discredit the candidate that the majority of Democrats have chosen. But that's how democracy works. In the words of Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want. Most Democrats don't want Bernie.

[The Magistrate]

40. Worked Great For Labour And Corbyn, Ma'am

Corbyn activists whinged and whined about 'Blairites' and Iraq, even made not voting for Iraq an canvassing issue, and the result was Johnson with an eighty seat Tory majority. This issue won't move a dozen votes in a national election, and no one with the least sense imagines it will.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. It sure did, Sir.

You'd think Bernie might learn a lesson from that disaster, but no.

[beastie boy]

39. Yeah, the Iraqus have been blaming Biden for the Iraq war for two generations now.

Not the US Congress, not President Bush... just Biden.

Oh wait, only Bernie supporters do that. Never mind!

[DanTex]

41. Everyone who voted for it shares responsibility, obviously.

[beastie boy]

46. Obviously. So how many times since 1994 have you assigned shared responsibility to anyone but Biden?

Hundreds of US legislators all share responsibility. And just in case you are planning to fall back on the good ole "none of them are running for President", nine of them have since 1994. I haven't heard any of them mentioned by Bernie or Bernie's surrogates in this context. Like you said, if you are really interested in calling out everyone who shares responsibility, it is time to quit singling Biden out, especially in response to Bernie's failure to get Democratic votes.

[DanTex]

48. You mean like Obama did in 2008 running against Clinton? Is that your question?

[beastie boy]

53. No, I don't "mean like", and this is obviously not my question.

Quit deflecting. Yo know full well what my question is, and you know exactly what I mean. "But...Obama!" Is a poor excuse for a response

[DanTex]

56. Yes, that was your question. And Obama most definitely brought up HRC's vote in the 2008

primary.

[beastie boy]

58. So now you are telling me what I mean, despite knowing full well that you are making it up.

A clear indication that you have lost whatever you were trying to pass for an argument. This is how you know you never had an argument to begin with. I would suggest you quit bringing up a n event that happened quarter of a century ago into the context of a current primary. It's a non-starter.

[DanTex]

60. Getting meta LOL. I think people can decide for themselves whether they care about the

Iraq War. And for that matter, they can decide for themselves whether the Iraq War was a quarter century ago or not.

[beastie boy]

67. The people have decided.

And, based on the people's vote in the primaries, it's a non-starter.

Unless you insist that Bernie supporters are the only people around. Which seems to be exactly what Bernie supporters think.

[DanTex]

69. Well, they almost have. Not quite over yet.

But if you think it's over already, and the Iraq War is irrelevant, then why worry about it?

[beastie boy]

71. You are confusing me for someone who worries.

It IS over, and the Iraq war IS irrelevant. I am just tired of hearing the same irrelevant crap on the subject that is over. If I can't get through to you on this simple matter, trust me, you are embarrassing yourself. It is in your own self-interest to quit now.

[DanTex]

72. Well, then no worries!

Thanks for your concern about my "self-interest", but I can live with centrists on the internet thinking that I'm "embarrassing" myself by talking about the Iraq War. I'm sure Jennifer Rubin and David Frum would disapprove lol.

[beastie boy]

73. In this case, I am looking forward to you embarrassing yourself again!

[ehrnst]

84. As long as you talk about Bernie's own history on war in Iraq...

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

Authorization for Use of Military Force - Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.

States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.

[Cha]

78. BS LOST.. & he Spent 3x MORE $$$$$ to do It.

[ehrnst]

83. About Iraq....

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

Authorization for Use of Military Force - Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.

States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.

[George II]

20. Not as many as some would like to think.

[DanTex]

23. True, sadly, people tend to forget or ignore the lessons from history.

After Vietnam, there was aversion to senseless wars for a few decades, but then it faded, and we got Iraq. And maybe the memory of how horrible the Iraq War was is starting to fade too. That's why it's so much to Bernie's credit that he opposed the Iraq War in principle, even though the polls at the time were point in the opposite direction.

[George II]

26. Wailing and gnashing of teeth here in 2020 won't change anything from 2003-2004....

....we have a LOT more important things to be concerned with today. Divisive rhetoric today that will only strengthen trump in the coming months is unnecessary and destructive.

[BidenBacker]

27. Bernie could have helped Biden prevent the war

Go read up a little on the Biden-Lugar Resolution and learn something.

[DanTex]

35. LOL. Umm, Biden could have just voted against it like Bernie did.

[BidenBacker]

43. Dumb response

but not unexpected. Since you refuse to do your homework I guess others will have to do it for you. Fortunately I spent many hours if not days researching this back in the mid-2000s when I was posting on WaPo, so I'll try to give it to you in a nutshell.

Biden & Lugar tried to reel in Dubya by introducing an intermediate resolution between doing nothing (which was not a realsitic option) and a full-blown carte blanche AUMF. It would have required that Dubya & Gang do everything possible before attacking/invading Iraq...stuff like economic sanctions and diplomacy to allow our inspectors back in so they could check things out. Also would have required UN support to get an international coalition on board.

If Dubya & Big Dick & Rummy had exhausted all possibilities it woulda then required that they come back to Congress and prove to them that they had indeed done all they could and that there were no other options besides the last resort of using military force before getting a final approval to go whack 'em. Lugar & Chuck Hagel could only get so many Republicans on board so they went to Joe and said "you need to get X amount of your Democrats to vote for it" and we think we can get it through. Joe got all the Dems together and got some to commit to signing up but not enough. Boxer & Wyden left the meeting arm-in-arm laughing so I blame them too. Another rigid ideologue who refused to compromise one iota was your good ol' beloved Bernie Sanders.

As a result of this and also Rep Gephardt who had presidential ambitions at the time making a backroom deal with Bush and backstabbing the Dems before Biden could get more Dems on board it all fell apart and we ended up with the now infamous AUMF that Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld then put into action before the ink was even dry. In all likelihood it woulda passed even if Biden and Clinton had not voted for it...I believe the Senate was around 50-50 at that time so it was unrealistic to expect no Dems wouldn't vote for it in the aftermath of 9/11, after all...what with all the drumbeating for war and pressure the right was putting on Democrats.

We had a chance to put a leash on Dubya and take a common sense approach but Bernie and others refused to take even a single step to meet guys like Biden, Durbin, Hagel, Lugar and others halfway and we all know what happened after that. Stick that in your Bernie pipe and smoke it.

Tired of this Sanders revisionist history bullshit.

[DanTex]

47. LOL. You can write another twenty pages if you want but it won't change the fact that Bernie voted

against the Iraq War and Biden voted for it.

There was a vote, and that's how it went down.

[BidenBacker]

49. And this is why

the vast majority of Democrats are voting for Biden and not Sanders.

We already have one rigid black-and-white ideologue in the White House and the country doesn''t want another.

I can see why you can't understand nuance and don't know what the hell actually happened...you won't even read a few paragraphs attempting to inform you.

Through wasting time on you just like the Democratic Party is done wasting time on your candidate.

[DanTex]

50. No, the reason is that voters think Biden is more electable. Exit polls make that clear.

On the issues, they prefer Bernie, again the exit polls make that clear.

Basically, the Dem voters are making the same calculation as in 2016, that going with a centrist who voted for the Iraq War and NAFTA is the best bet to beat Trump. Hopefully we get a different outcome this time.

[BidenBacker]

52. Hey, pal

whatever rationalization you can come up with that helps you sleep at night then run with it.

Personally I don't give a shit...the Democrats chose the FAR better candidate when it came down to mano-a-mano and they made me proud.

You, not so much.

[DanTex]

55. Biden voted for IWR, Bernie voted against it. Not complicated. You're the one rationalizing.

We won't know whether the centrist calculation of nominating Biden is the right choice until November. It didn't work out in 2016, which is part of the reason I support Bernie this time around. Hopefully it will work out this year.

[BidenBacker]

59. Since you're not much of a reader I'll assume you're into videos instead

[DanTex]

61. Very clever dodge!

[BidenBacker]

63. LOL

I just wrote you a multi-paragraphed and informative post that you either didn't understand or refused to read and now you're accusing me of "dodging".

This is like arguing with a lefty Trumpist. They got digital on-off brains just like you do. I prefer analog myself as do most of my fellow Democrats. Which is why I love 'em.

[DanTex]

64. LOL. Did you just call your own post "informative"? Really?

The one that ignored the actual votes on the Iraq War? That one?

[BidenBacker]

65. Hopeless

Just like your beloved Bernie's chances.

But soldier on, Bro!

[sop]

79. It always comes down to Bernie being somehow cheated out of his rightful nomination.

Now you're telling us Bernie was denied his rightful nomination because Democratic voters are too stupid to vote for what they really want. No, they'd rather vote for a warmonger like Biden, right? Apparently, they've been bamboozled and hoodwinked by the establishment into believing warmongers are more "electable."

Why do Democrats believe Biden is more electable? Could it be that they see right through this tired, old "Biden supported the Iraq war, Sanders didn't" nonsense, and are more sophisticated than that? Perhaps voters really understand most of Sanders' policy prescriptions don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being enacted.

[DanTex]

81. Who said anything about "cheated"? You're making things up.

Biden is ahead, fair and square, because voters think he's more electable, despite liking Bernie's policies more.

Yes, of course the establishment and the corporate media were all in for Biden. And yes, obviously that makes a difference. But that's not cheating, that's just the way it is, when you take on powerful corporate interests like Bernie does, then you get a lot of push-back. That's just reality. I'm still glad that people like Bernie are willing to take on those interests, even though it's an uphill fight and it would be easier to fall in line with the establishment and corporate interests.

[onenote]

44. I've been reading that Bernie not voting on the relief package didn't matter

because there were enough votes without his participating.

So wouldn't that mean that neither his vote against the AUF nor Biden's vote for it mattered, since the outcome was a the same with or without those votes.

And if Bernie doesn't feel like he needs to be in DC arguing for (and proposing) worker and consumer oriented relief measures then why would anyone think he could get anything through Congress as President?

Time for him to stop playing the role of Don Quixote.

[BidenBacker]

51. Hey, one

I think I read a while back that this forum has an ignore feature. Is that true?

Because if it is I may have found my very first candidate...the guy you were responding to.

Good post, BTW.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

57. Click on the person's name at the top of the post

Then click "ignore" when the new page opens up
Then they go bye-bye!

[BidenBacker]

62. Thanks a lot, JVD

I owe you one. Have a cyberbeer on me...



Man, that looks like a real dark brew like a Guinness Extra Stout or something. I'm more of a Blue Moon or Sam Adams kinda guy myself...LOL.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

66. LOL, you're welcome

Don't mind if I do-cheers

[BidenBacker]

68. Hey, JVD

When I clicked ignore a whole bunch of other people's posts also disappeared. That's kinda a dumb feature if that's how it works.

Oh, well...guess I'll just have to go back to manual mode when it comes to ignore.

Easy on that Stout...it'll sneak up on you.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

70. Whoops, sorry about that

While I've been reading here for years, I only have actually been posting for a short time, and I'm still getting used to the "controls" myself, heh. I apologize for any inconvenience I gave you.

Guess you're right about the stout

[R B Garr]

25. If you supported Hillary, then you know how it is that Sanders' Iraq accusations

are just desperate purity wedges.

[DanTex]

32. How is that? The Iraq War was a serious error, possibly the worst policy decision in

decades. It doesn't mean I won't vote for Biden over Trump. But the fact that Biden is better than Trump doesn't lessen the horribleness of the Iraq War. Both are true.

[R B Garr]

36. I was talking about using "Iraq" as a wedge issue. You supported Hillary, so

you know how that goes, as do most Democrats who understand it was Bush's war.

[NCProgressive]

14. Sanders has been playing the Iraq war card for five years

and he has not won a single election over it.

It is tone deaf to think that the electorate cares one iota about the Iraq war.

[Atticus]

19. Haven't seen a face like that since my last copy of "MAD" magazine, but Alfred made

more sense.

[George II]

21. He reminds me of Richie from King of Queens, who was infinitely more intelligent:

[BidenBacker]

22. Scumbag

YouTuber Fired From the Sanders Campaign Filmed Himself Calling Biden Supporters to Say Joe Has Dementia

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jgeanp/a-man-fired-from-sanders-campaign-is-calling-biden-voters-and-saying-he-has-dementia

There's a website I used to follow closely during the Dubya years called Right Wing Watch...

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/

This asshole keeps it up and we might need a Loony Left Wing Watch. It's people like him that give liberals and progressives a bad name.

[Walleye]

31. I have to wonder what side they are actually on

[Docreed2003]

29. Seriously, this has gone on long enough

Is it not crystal clear to everyone now that Bernie is one hundred percent supportive of this type of crap. Sanders seems to like to play good cop while feigning ignorance of his surrogates actions while they play bad cop and Bernie conveniently gets to keep his hands clean. Nevermind the fact that Jane brought this turd back into the campaign. Now is not the time for this crap. Our country is currently on its knees and they want to play cute politics games?? Seriously?? You have not a single hope of winning the nomination Bernie. It's fucking over! So, do what all the other non-viable candidates did and how our gracefully and continue to serve the country in your role as Senator, or become a pariah forever by helping to re-elect Donald Trump. What's it going to be?

[Akakoji]

33. Has Sanders been confronted with this?

I don't get it.

[Hortensis]

45. She would have left him long ago if she wasn't like him.

Similar personality traits, outlook on life, etc., is the strongest correlation by far between partners. Education, background, economic status, even religion per se, are all secondary to whether you're the kind of person who slanders and libels others or the kind who's appalled by those who do.

[Cha]

74. Some context.. Matt Orfalea really likes to use the word "retarded" - he even defends it.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[dem4decades]

77. When can we consider Sanders not a Democrat and not afforded the protections here at DU?

He's an Independent. He's running as an Independent in 2022, he wants to take down the Democratic Party. I'm sick of it.

[betsuni]

80. As if anyone believes a Democrat would start a war, invade another country for no good reason.

Not even Republicans think that! It's absurd.

[ehrnst]

82. So much for not going negative...

[Dem4Life1102]

85. Damn I didn't realize that Biden was President back then

I thought it was Bush.

[George II]

86. Look at that face, you think there's a brain behind it?