Biden-Sanders debate Official Thread- 2

[brooklynite]

[brooklynite]

1. "people are looking for result, not a revolution"

THAT's going to leave a mark...

[DaDeacon]

4. LOL, not really.... it was kinda lame.

[Squinch]

34. Not lame. Reality.

[still_one]

7. I think so also

[Lotusflower70]

43. True that

It's time for reality and stability. Pie in the sky with no concrete details and plans is not it.

[hlthe2b]

2. Thread 2, I believe

[brooklynite]

3. Bernie back to his stump speech...

[brooklynite]

5. "it's not going to solved by a change in tax policy"

Biden is sounding thoughtful, while Bernie focuses on his political points.

[brooklynite]

6. Biden: "First Things First"

[nolabear]

8. Bernie acts as if he thinks economics caused and will cure the virus.

[still_one]

11. Trump believe cutting the interest rates will cure the virus. Reality is something else however.

[BeyondGeography]

9. This is a rout so far

The house is on fire and Bernie wants to debate building codes.

[highplainsdem]

16. +1,000,000

[dalton99a]

18. +1

[brooklynite]

10. Sanders: "would you support bailouts for companies affected by Coronavirus"?

"Yes, I voted against 2008 bailout"

Today: we need to stabilizes economy. We can't do what we did in 2008 (which Biden supported).

[brooklynite]

12. Biden: " This was about saving the economy"

[exboyfil]

83. Answer is under similar terms to last time

The banks hoovered up the money as usual, but I think we got a good percentage of the money back from AIG and the car companies.

I don't see why we can't take a short term equity position or have the best preferred stock rate (it sucked that Buffett actually got better terms than the US government last time - I remembered that).

I don't see why equity holders shouldn't take haircuts (sometimes big haircuts like GM).

[Blue_true]

121. If banks, hotels and industry are bailed out, we should make sure

this time that consumers benefit from them being saved. Last time honeowners who were upside down got screwed by the banks after taxpayers saved the banks.

[exboyfil]

122. In a world where Wells Fargo walks away unscathed

and Goldman Sucks has a seat at the Fed table and usually has its designate as Treasury secretary, ever holding banks accountable will be challenging.

I am up for ideas.

[Blue_true]

123. Take powerful equity stakes as you pointed out,

take over their boards. Force consumer fair policies or let them suffer more.

[Hav]

13. Biden strikes back

against BS attacking him for the bailout by pointing out what would have happened if the banks went bankrupt.

[still_one]

23. It would have been a disaster without the bailout. Not a recession, but a depression

[Kahuna7]

25. DING DING DING DING DING DING! Without the bail out we would have suffered a depression..

instead of a recession.

[LaurenOlimina]

14. Biden sounded more presidential there.

[mucifer]

15. They both sound clear and intelligent

I’m impressed

[sprinkleeninow]

37. Yes, they do. lt's kinda like more conversational.

[brooklynite]

17. Backtrack: Biden and Sanders did an elbow bump

Link to tweet

[TomCADem]

21. Okay. That was kind of funny.

nt

[IcyPeas]

19. levity:

If people got even half as upset about people hoarding wealth as they are about people hoarding toilet paper...

The world would be a better place.

Just sayin'.

Link to tweet

[nolabear]

20. The timing of the "bailout" screed from Bernie is bad.

Although it is an interesting argument vis a vis what would have happened had they not been.

[hlthe2b]

22. First rule of public speaking (and debates): know your audience & respond to changing issues/climate

RIght now people are terrified about the pandemic. Biden keeps pivoting to what can be done NOW. Bernie keeps hammering at what we could do if we HAD NO PANDEMIC as though it was an option to ignore it.

[TwilightZone]

28. It should have been obvious to everyone what the first major topic was going to be.

I'm a little surprised that he wasn't better prepared to deal with it outside of his usual talking points.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

24. Did Bernie say Bush regarding a question of the bailouts?

[Todd79]

27. Yes he did

[tblue37]

26. Is there a link to watch online? nt

[Mersky]

32. Here's the link

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2020-democratic-debate-live-updates/index.html

(but with elbows)

[tblue37]

49. ??? All I see is a bunch of "updates"--text describing what they said. I

can't see the actual debate.

Okay. It finally showed on my page. Thanks!

[Mersky]

65. Huh. I see a window with the live stream at that link.

Is in the upper right corner? No?

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2020-democratic-debate-live-updates/index.html

Eta: OIC, oof... I am juggling stuff today. Glad it’s working for you.

[mucifer]

33. CNN.com

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

41. Here:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2020-democratic-debate-live-updates/index.html

[DaDeacon]

29. Bruh ... you couldn't write this sh*t,

What re you doing ...are you kidding me?

[edhopper]

30. Not his fault

But I can't watch Bernie without hearing Larry David.

[DaDeacon]

31. for real

[still_one]

40. +++

[mucifer]

39. Cousin Larry

[True Blue American]

44. Bernie is getting agitated and it is showing.

[Todd79]

35. Joe Is On Fire Tonight

[brooklynite]

36. Biden: Bernie doesn't explain how his "revolution" would change things

[LaurenOlimina]

51. That was a hit.

Biden sounded good there.

[DaDeacon]

38. Love this question because NO one is asking about his policy...

Let's do the Obama remix...that's a half-joke.

[brooklynite]

42. Why is Bernie reverting to his stump speech?

[True Blue American]

52. Bernie is angry, Joe is laughing!

[LizBeth]

56. That is always a good look for the one relaxed confident and humored.

[True Blue American]

60. Bernie is lying now.

[TwilightZone]

68. Right, because Obama was such a poor president.

Right?



Note to all: my subject line, if it isn't completely obvious, is sarcasm.

[brooklynite]

45. Sanders slams Biden over "billionaire contributions"

[brooklynite]

50. Biden hits back: support my Constitutional Amendment to Federally fund campaigns

[elleng]

46. Federally funded campaigns!

[highplainsdem]

47. I wish there were a way to mute Bernie every time he goes back to the stump speech.

[frazzled]

62. You don't have a mute button?

It’s my savior. You can also cut the sound on your computer or device.

[highplainsdem]

66. Not one to filter out that tired stump speech.

[DaDeacon]

48. Real Change will not be done by BOUGHT POLITICS FACTS!!!.

[MH1]

53. Jesus H Christ, BS is claiming *JOE* is running "ugly" ads?

Sheesh.

[DaDeacon]

58. Point of Fact

[DaDeacon]

54. Super PACS??!!?Name em?!?! GOT EM!!!

[TwilightZone]

61. Our Revolution?

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604

[treestar]

55. Bernie complained about negative ads

and Joe just laughed. Doesn't Bernie have negative ads?

[Hav]

57. BS addresses the point that he won't say

what his plans cost and how he'd get them through Congress by not saying how much it costs and how he'd get it through Congress but by talking about Wall Street.

Biden reaches out to BS to join him to a switch to public financing that Biden had proposed 30 years ago, BS ridicules the age of that idea and replies he won't join him, Biden should join him instead. What an ego...

[brooklynite]

59. Am I to understand that this performance is Sanders "helping" Biden to win over his supporters?

[TwilightZone]

63. That was the spin.

It was always rather laughable.

[still_one]

64. LOL

[SBoy]

67. This Isn't a Debate Thread

This is a Biden rally thread.

[brooklynite]

70. Perhaps there aren't that many Sanders' supporters left?

[DaDeacon]

72. that's why we are here man...

be open :

[ehrnst]

128. Nice try.

[TwilightZone]

75. Well, like in the real world, there are more Biden supporters here than Sanders supporters.

Biden's currently polling about 2:1 among Dems vs. Sanders. The ratio is probably a little higher here.

[LizBeth]

97. Go Biden. Just saying.

[frazzled]

99. I can't see how Sanders isn't just hurting himself further

So far he has been evasive of questions, or unable to respond to anything that isn’t in his playbook, just repeating stump speech rhetoric that he has been using since the 1970s.
People want a president who can think on his feet and respond effectively and promptly to new challenges.

And he has been either ungracious, belligerent, or just plain nasty. People want a president with dignity and character.

Instead of attacking Biden, shouldn’t he be standing against Trump and the Republicans.

[Meadowoak]

120. +1000

[tarheelsunc]

69. It's really sad that Bernie can't lose with grace. eom

[tman]

71. This is getting nasty.

So much for unity.

Great day for trump.

[TwilightZone]

76. Nope.

For the most part, nobody really cares about this debate outside of some Sanders supporters who were hoping it would drastically change the race, because the race is over. Plus, the rest of the country is a little distracted at the moment by a pandemic.

[DaDeacon]

77. NO this is what will happen against Trump.

IF Bidden wins are ready for a fight. This is softballs.

[edhopper]

80. it's a debate

It should be like this.

[brooklynite]

73. Tuesday had better blast Sanders out of the race; he won't go quietly...

[still_one]

78. I hope so too brooklynite

[TwilightZone]

84. He's down by 20-30 points in most polls.

If he stays in past the end of the week or so, we'll know that it's all about Bernie and not the progressive movement or his "message". He'll be flirting with undermining both.

[hlthe2b]

105. Yeah, but will people actually show up at the polls? I'm really worried.

[TwilightZone]

114. I think they will.

It doesn't actually matter unless there are massive swings in the turnout, i.e. +30% in under 45, -20% in over 45. Biden's lead in most states is pretty hefty. Turnout might disproportionately drop among older voters, but I don't think to that extent.

[grossproffit]

90. I'd love to see a hook like in a vaudeville skit yank Bernie off the stage...

with "That's All Folks."

[handmade34]

107. ...

[LizBeth]

102. Sanders has had 7 decades of a chip on the shoulder. He is not going to change.

[Blue_true]

127. More like 5 decades, give or take a few years. nt

[Sugarcoated]

74. I don't appreciate Sanders misrepresenting Joe's stance on SS

Dishonest

[DaDeacon]

82. watch and tell me where it was "misrepresenting"

[TwilightZone]

88. Already fact-checked as false.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/12/bernie-sanders/sanders-misleading-social-security-attack-biden/

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/biden-vs-sanders-on-social-security-and-medicare/

[Sugarcoated]

95. I hate the dishonesty

[TwilightZone]

100. Agreed.

And the doubling-down on the intentionally misleading statements.

[yellowdogintexas]

87. that is driving me nuts. He will not back down.

I get what Joe is saying "on the table" is not the same as supporting.

Bernie is really being irritating. It is so much more obvious because there are not 5 other people shouting

Joe is really sounding professional

I am just now tuning in since I totally forgot the debate was tonight.

[brooklynite]

79. Politifact rating of Sanders' ad: "Mostly false"

Link to tweet

[Sugarcoated]

113. Thank you

[thinkingagain]

81. I think Bernie has to go potty

He cant's seem to stand still

[nolabear]

85. Is Bernie just lying about all Joe's stances?

The SS statements are utterly misleading. Joe did not author the bankruptcy bill.

This isn’t going to help Bernie at all.

[brooklynite]

86. Bernie, leadership is NOT "taking an unpopular vote"...it's actually "leading"...

...which suggests that others are "following".

[highplainsdem]

89. He acts as though he can't stand his stump speech being interrupted by facts and different ideas.

[texasfiddler]

91. I don't see how Bernie can get anything passed

He has zero negotiating skills. He is a great purist, but he would be terrible as President to get things done. He talks a good talk.

[yellowdogintexas]

96. remember what HIllary said about Bernie....

he isn't looking very likable. I don't think I would want to work with him either.

[napi21]

92. Maybe I minunderstood that argument, but it sounded like a FREEZE. I don't remember when it was but

I know there was a freeze to SS. I remember when we didn't receive any increase for several years.

[treestar]

98. I dislike when they call it "cutting social security"

to make adjustments regarding cost of living and so forth. There are different issues involved.
I've seen people claim it's a "cut" if it does not get increased when there is no cost of living increase.

[yellowdogintexas]

106. you are quite correct. I hate that too.

I'd like Bernie better if he talked more like he is now,

[Hav]

93. BS cannot give the slightest bit of credit to Biden

for the latest proposal to make public college/university free for families below 125k income. That's why no one likes him in Congress and he gets nothing done.

[treestar]

94. BK bill was in a R Congress

Biden claims he insisted on some points that made it not-as-bad.

[elleng]

104. Right,

took negotiating positions.

[cmb1729]

101. Stop pointing Bernie!!!

I wish Bernie Sanders would learn how to speak without pointing at people. I have seen him getting into personal space with his finger. I must say if he did that to me, his finger would be slapped away. We have had enough of childish behavior in our leaders. Go Joe!!!

[yellowdogintexas]

111. I might bite him if he stuck that finger too close to me

It is just too confrontational .

[brooklynite]

103. HOW have we swung into the "Defense of Marriage Act"?

[Sugarcoated]

108. So when Bernie's bad votes get pointed out

it's different? Dancing.

[brooklynite]

109. Please switch to thread 3

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287668806

[bdamomma]

110. watching

rather interesting regarding the back and forth on who has super pacs. I still like both of them.

[TwilightZone]

115. It's always been a silly argument.

Sanders has Our Revolution, a PAC he personally started, and they don't disclose most donors. It's not all that different from a SuperPAC other than the name.

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604

[hlthe2b]

112. Smooth Biden: Talks up his support for Bernie if he was nominated & hopes Bernie/supporters do same

[orleans]

116. wah -- my screen keeps freezing up! n/t

[Todd79]

117. Bernie Left Out the fact

That he is on record as not supporting gay marriage until 2009- before then he stated that the decision should be left up to the states.

[BidenBacker]

118. I only just tuned in a couple minutes ago

But I liked the tone and demeanor of both men. Maybe I missed a lot of shit that came before that but at least I liked what I heard coming outta both candidates mouths for that short time.

We come together in the end and a Big Blue Wave is gonna wash over Trump and his Gopper goons...they ain't gonna know what the hell hit them.

[bdamomma]

119. okay

VP Biden would ask a woman to be his VP? it would be something if he asked Warren, but I think he will ask Kamala

[aeromanKC]

126. Joe mentioned AA Women for SCOTUS (will nominate)

Harris for SCOTUS??

[flying-skeleton]

124. Bernie is being irksome !!

Is it just me but Bernie's repeated interruptions and flailing is increasingly irksome during the debate?

[BidenBacker]

125. $2 trillion to halt climate change?

Hooboy, both these guys need to talk to some engineers for a little dose of reality.