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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:45 PM Mar 2020

I'm seeing some comments on Twitter showing an interesting, more positive take on Sanders' speech,

different from my initial reaction.

Here are 3 examples, the first from MSNC's Matthew Miller:






Is Sanders signaling a campaign whose remaining goal is not to win but to pressure the eventual nominee to support his platform?




From David Corn:






.@berniesanders is giving @JoeBiden questions in advance of the Sunday debate so Biden knows what he has to address to get Bernie and his voters on his side. This is a very smart and mature statement. Good for him!




And from the Hoarse Whisperer, whose tweets I often find interesting:






Bernie Sanders is delivering a speech that translates into “I have lost this race but will continue through next week to push Joe Biden on policy.”

That’s an odd one but isn’t all that bad.

Could actually lead to something of a public conciliation in Sunday’s debate.




Note: the Hoarse Whisperer still heard a lot he didn't like in Sanders' speech, but thought it was the least objectionable speech he'd ever heard from him during this campaign, as explained in the thread starting here:


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I'm seeing some comments on Twitter showing an interesting, more positive take on Sanders' speech, (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2020 OP
well, I prefer to think that each of them are "right" about this. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
Isn't this what he did in 16? But still didn't do anything to bring his supporters around. Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
He spent 5 minutes attacking Biden HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #3
Didn't listen, but saw some of take aways...typical sanders. If I can't win Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #7
You didn't see it , So your opinion is about that valid. DaDeacon Mar 2020 #18
But, it sure had to be expressed. /nt tonedevil Mar 2020 #19
I saw it... he gave the stump speech... lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #27
Yep. showblue22 Mar 2020 #32
I know that Hillary put several of Sander's policies on her platform in 2016. secondwind Mar 2020 #4
And she lost Clash City Rocker Mar 2020 #29
Nah, I don't think that's what he's doing. lol tman Mar 2020 #5
I hope they are right...but Biden won't adopt Sander's policies...why should he? Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #6
This! The voting public did not pull the lever for Joe to have him adopt sanders policies. Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #10
Exactly, and Joe already said he would veto Medicare for all unless it could happen on day one Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
I agree however Demguy81 Mar 2020 #8
bernie's had 4 yrs to build his coalition and has failed. not a team player nt msongs Mar 2020 #9
This! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #13
Agree. mzmolly Mar 2020 #11
Giving him a chance? frazzled Mar 2020 #21
Yes. mzmolly Mar 2020 #30
If we wanted Bernie's platform, would't we (all) just support him, instead of Joe? jmg257 Mar 2020 #12
Well, I'm a Biden supporter Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #16
Agree. mzmolly Mar 2020 #31
No. Some of us are just pragmatic. MoonchildCA Mar 2020 #23
If you'd look at the 2016 platform, you'd see that you have some of it already. progressoid Mar 2020 #24
I hope those tweets are correct. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #14
He doesn't get to set the agenda. I don't think he really understands that. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #15
He doesn't get to dictate terms any more than any of the other failed Squinch Mar 2020 #20
It is bad. djg21 Mar 2020 #22
They are naive. This is his way of saying all the way to the convention boston bean Mar 2020 #25
media has a vest interest in keeping sanders propped up as long as possible in hopes beachbumbob Mar 2020 #26
i got that vibe too, barbtries Mar 2020 #28
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
1. well, I prefer to think that each of them are "right" about this.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
2. Isn't this what he did in 16? But still didn't do anything to bring his supporters around.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:48 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
3. He spent 5 minutes attacking Biden
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:50 PM
Mar 2020

Assume the worst with Bernie and you'll usually be on the money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
7. Didn't listen, but saw some of take aways...typical sanders. If I can't win
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

It only further worsens his vote and delegate totals in the remaining contests.

He could go out now and do the right thing...but no

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
18. You didn't see it , So your opinion is about that valid.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
19. But, it sure had to be expressed. /nt
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
27. I saw it... he gave the stump speech...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

and ended with "What is Joe going to do about XXX"... like every ill in the nation is now Joe's responsibility... or even the President's responsibility.

And I question a lot of the stats he was throwing around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
4. I know that Hillary put several of Sander's policies on her platform in 2016.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:50 PM
Mar 2020


Don't know if he twisted her arm or not, tho
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
29. And she lost
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:30 PM
Mar 2020

The votes Joe would gain by caving to Bernie are nothing compared to the number of Trump voters he would lose. He needs to stand firm.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tman

(983 posts)
5. Nah, I don't think that's what he's doing. lol
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:52 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
6. I hope they are right...but Biden won't adopt Sander's policies...why should he?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:52 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
10. This! The voting public did not pull the lever for Joe to have him adopt sanders policies.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
17. Exactly, and Joe already said he would veto Medicare for all unless it could happen on day one
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

and we know it can't...Biden has guts. Sanders won't get what he wants from Biden. And there should be no debate...period...it risks Biden's health with the Corona virus literally in the air.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(79 posts)
8. I agree however
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

My deep respect of Bernie (voted for him), is going to be highly dependent on how he responds after he loses next week. If he stays in, and continues to fight, I will be forced to concede that the worst criticism against him may be justified.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,395 posts)
9. bernie's had 4 yrs to build his coalition and has failed. not a team player nt
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mzmolly

(50,985 posts)
11. Agree.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020

He’s representing his supporters and giving Biden a chance to incorporate a more progressive platform. I can respect that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
21. Giving him a chance?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:02 PM
Mar 2020

Who is the losing party to give the winning party a chance?

In addition, the more "progressive" platform is not winning: witness not only Sanders but Warren. As James Clyburn said: "People don't want free stuff. They want accessibility and affordability."

Not this time, no how. The loser doesn't get to determine the platform. Finders keepers, losers weepers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mzmolly

(50,985 posts)
30. Yes.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

The discussion is not about “free stuff” - but about building a coalition with younger voters and those who supported Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
12. If we wanted Bernie's platform, would't we (all) just support him, instead of Joe?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
16. Well, I'm a Biden supporter
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

who likes Bernie’s and Warren’s ideas. I wouldn’t mind if a few of their plans were incorporated into the party platform.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
23. No. Some of us are just pragmatic.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:07 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
24. If you'd look at the 2016 platform, you'd see that you have some of it already.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:12 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,964 posts)
14. I hope those tweets are correct.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

I still have faith that Bernie will drop out and endorse Biden next week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,465 posts)
15. He doesn't get to set the agenda. I don't think he really understands that.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

Does he really think Joe Biden doesn't know when he stands by now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
20. He doesn't get to dictate terms any more than any of the other failed
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:02 PM
Mar 2020

candidates.

There is no prize for participation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
22. It is bad.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mar 2020

It will force to move to the left, which could alienate middle-of-the-road voters that would not vote for Sanders. He did this to Hillary too. Enough is enough.]. Go away Bernie. You lost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
25. They are naive. This is his way of saying all the way to the convention
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
26. media has a vest interest in keeping sanders propped up as long as possible in hopes
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:15 PM
Mar 2020

of inflicting damage on biden in lead up to Nov. We saw this in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
28. i got that vibe too,
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020

we'll just have to wait and see what happens next week. He certainly didn't broadcast that loud and clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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