There is never going to be a Medicare 4 All bill passed by Congress, Sanders.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

After Joe Biden's gracious speech yesterday let me say I am profoundly disappointed after listening to Bernie Sanders speak today.

[stopbush]

1. He's sounding every bit the narcissist.

[PatSeg]

3. Often when someone is losing,

we get to see who they really are. I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am in him. He is not the person I thought he was.

[DaDeacon]

2. There will never be gay marriage ...

Never be a black president ...
any more never you got?!?!

[squirecam]

4. He will never beat Biden.

Nt

[DaDeacon]

7. already did ...

N/T

[sop]

5. These sorts of things don't cost trillions of dollars, or affect the wealthy.

[DaDeacon]

8. The wealthy ...

Not my interest or my class I could care less about what the wealthy want. A broad working-class party is why I became a Democrat PERIOD! If the party will not support the working class it's not my party.

[sop]

11. "Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth." - Lucy Parsons

Lucy Parson was an American labor organizer, radical socialist and anarcho-communist. She was also a powerful orator. She understood a century ago how difficult it would be to enact the sorts of things Sanders is proposing today. Sadly, political realities haven't changed much.

[DaDeacon]

12. She was correct

it's NOT the wealthy we should court for that type of reform. That's why MSNBC and CCN can't be the voice of our change. We need real change and continuing to support the soft reboots of party change will fail the progressive movement of this country.

[sop]

14. This debate has been ongoing since the US was founded.

Jefferson predicted in an oligarchic government run directly or indirectly by the rich, "America’s working people must come to labor sixteen hours in the twentyfour...the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread...we must live, as they [poor Europeans] now do, on oatmeal and potatoes...have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow sufferers."   

I'm a pragmatist, I refuse to allow the "perfect be the enemy of the good." Our inability to enact ultimate progressive goals today should not be the reason we cannot have some measure of progress. As Watson-Watt, in The Cult of the Imperfect, wrote, "Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, and the best never comes."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Lame comparison

[abqtommy]

6. That may be, but a lot of us were surprised when Obama pushed through the ACA/Obamacare

so I won't say "never". I'll just wait and see...

[kysrsoze]

9. A lot of people have forgotten Max Baucus torpedoed the public option, and we had a supermajority

in the Senate, and barely squeaked the ACA by. The public option is much, much more attainable than M4A (via the finance-related no fillibuster vote), and if it's successfully implemented, will eventually have the same net effect of everyone moving over to it and private insurance companies being relegated to optional/"Cadillac"-type coverage.

[karynnj]

13. Max Baucus needed something ALL the Democratic Senators would vote for

He dropped the public option when Liberman made it clear he was a definite no in that case. In fact, he likely would have been joined by Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln.

Baucus had the tough job of getting 60 votes when NO Republicans would bend and there were just u0 Democrats. That he succeeded was amazing. Then it almost fell apart when Scott Brown won and replaced the Democratic Senator Kirk. The House had to pass the Senate bill as it was avoiding the need to pass a conference bill. Then there was a small standalone bill that made some corrections that passed under reconciliation.