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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:42 AM Apr 2019

Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden's Response 'Disrespectful And Inexcusable'

Tarana Burke, founder of the Me Too movement, spoke out Friday in support of the women who have come forward to accuse Joe Biden of inappropriate behavior, calling out the former vice president’s joking response to the scandal as “disrespectful and inexcusable.”

In a Twitter thread, Burke argued that the seven women who say they received unwanted physical contact from Biden were right to speak up and that the likely 2020 contender appears be deeply missing the point they are trying to make.

“It’s about bodily autonomy, it’s about power and leadership,” wrote Burke, who first started using the phrase “Me Too” to raise awareness about the pervasiveness of sexual misconduct in 2006.

...

Burke reiterated in her tweets that nobody is “calling for [Biden] to be incarcerated or sent away.” But just because his behavior isn’t as extreme as that of disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein ― who is facing rape charges ― that doesn’t mean it should be ignored, Burke said. Doing so, she argued, will only “help deepen a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence.”


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I stand with Tarana Burke on this.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden's Response 'Disrespectful And Inexcusable' (Original Post) Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 OP
Oh for crying out loud. Enough already. secondwind Apr 2019 #1
Exactly. These women need to learn their place... MadDAsHell Apr 2019 #3
zzzzzzzzz EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #62
EVERYONE - THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE THAT IS BEING POSTED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS ******** EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #71
GARBLEBRFLFGGDL! Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #75
Oh right. If you criticize a woman you must be sexist. Chemisse Apr 2019 #182
+1 Agree 100%...So sick of this crap..nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #4
Hmmm. Interesting take on the founder of the movement. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #8
I get that. greymattermom Apr 2019 #27
THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE BEING POSTED AS IF IT JUST HAPPENED ********************************** EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #76
Right! We did this whole thread already DAYS ago. bitterross Apr 2019 #126
This!! LW1977 Apr 2019 #153
Gosh I wish these people would drop it and leave Biden alone helpisontheway Apr 2019 #2
So they should not talk about what makes the uncomfortable Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #9
did they do so at the time? lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #14
So there is a timeline? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #19
so how would one know that a physical touch is unwanted? lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #39
So when I'm talking to a woman, I don't touch her. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #45
I don't either lapfog_1 Apr 2019 #57
If you don't want a hug, then you can tell her. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #61
+1 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #84
They said it! He apologized and said he would be more careful. End of story.. helpisontheway Apr 2019 #15
His joking about it after the apology was pretty tone deaf. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #20
These women had their 15 minutes. John Fante Apr 2019 #152
Ding Ding Ding Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #167
This is so ridiculous. How can you pretend that they seriously 'want a discussion'? Chemisse Apr 2019 #183
Joe Biden did nothing wrong. Joe Biden's actions had nothing to do democratisphere Apr 2019 #5
We know. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #6
Sorry Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #10
Yeah, your "bad".. try putting it in the Cha Apr 2019 #140
Yeah but, that was LAST week. We have to see this at least once every week until spring 2020...... George II Apr 2019 #12
That's rich Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #21
Thanks for making it clear that your concern really R B Garr Apr 2019 #30
Of course it is. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #34
LOL R B Garr Apr 2019 #36
Hard to argue with that well thought out retort. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #38
Your MeToo concern isn't that well thought out. R B Garr Apr 2019 #43
Thank you for dismissing concerns about what women have to deal with. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #47
You made it clear this isn't about women or MeToo. R B Garr Apr 2019 #107
I don't even support Sanders this time around. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #109
Your post 21 speaks for itself, as does this little change R B Garr Apr 2019 #120
Post 12 gives the context for post 21. Post 21 didn't just happen out of the blue. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #121
This isn't about MeToo R B Garr Apr 2019 #130
This subthread has kind of devolved, for sure. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #131
I am a woman. True Blue American Apr 2019 #176
A million other things being dollars. Oh the hypocrisy...the one who rails at... brush Apr 2019 #122
If you start a thread about that Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #123
Amen! COLGATE4 Apr 2019 #29
I was raped and I'm really sick of the bastardizing of MeToo Indygram Apr 2019 #7
I'm sorry that happened. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #11
Including innocent gestures under the same umbrella as VIOLENT RAPE minimizes MY trauma Indygram Apr 2019 #16
Well said, Indygram... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #22
I don't think the #metoo movement is about violent rape only. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #23
"Support survivors and end sexual violence" Indygram Apr 2019 #32
There is also this from the website Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #41
Are you a survivor? I am Indygram Apr 2019 #50
I am not. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #51
Dude... padah513 Apr 2019 #129
Really-Because your heroine said this on Twitter: flotsam Apr 2019 #124
Pretty much what she says in the article in the OP. Which you COMPLETELY misunderstand. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #125
Really flotsam Apr 2019 #128
So fuck women's issues--IT'S PRIMARY TIME! Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #132
Fuck the Frankening and those who spread it... flotsam Apr 2019 #136
Oooh man, whatever am I going to do without you? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #137
Whatever are you going to do Cha Apr 2019 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #166
So blatantly Cha Apr 2019 #174
Your primary pick would benefit from Biden being out. Have you consider as great as Mayor Pete is Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #169
it is unfortunate.... quickesst Apr 2019 #148
Thank you for saying Desert grandma Apr 2019 #155
I'm sorry for your tragedy Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #171
I totally agree. I think it's an insult to women who have been raped. Chemisse Apr 2019 #180
Your article was posted: 04/05/2019 06:52 pm--- FIVE days ago: You just won't let it go... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #13
I just saw it today. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #25
Really? Have you never committed a nervous faux pas? Boy some here are really exceptional hlthe2b Apr 2019 #28
Of course I have. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #31
ahh, so than you do understand and belive in the concept of forgiveness... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #40
I thought Biden's video apology was fine. And then he made his joke. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #53
Agreed, he doesn't get the point Merlot Apr 2019 #33
Nice edit of your title. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #79
Edited Title??? I took out the ET for Eastern Time Zone because it was superfluous hlthe2b Apr 2019 #81
I agree with her. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #17
I think that the ME Too movement was mostly organic -- not really led by anyone karynnj Apr 2019 #18
Ok, women on one side of the room, Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #24
Or, and I know this might be a radical thought, maybe men (which I am) Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #26
Do you mean like paying attention to rape survivors Indygram Apr 2019 #42
I'm sorry that you went through that. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #46
I don't believe you are Indygram Apr 2019 #52
I didn't even know you as a poster on DU when I made the OP. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #55
Yes! True Blue American Apr 2019 #177
Exactly, no touch, no speak, Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #35
Why don't you just go full MAGA and call them snowflakes? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #37
No, I am not in the wrong place. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #58
Why don't you stop insulting DU members Cha Apr 2019 #141
Thank you, Cha! True Blue American Apr 2019 #178
Exactly, True Blue! Cha Apr 2019 #184
"just because his behaviour isn't as extreme as Weinstein" awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #44
"help deepen a culture of silence" Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #48
No thanks, I'm good. awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #54
Nobody is saying that but you. That comparison is not being made. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #56
Hugger versus Rapist equates Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #64
"just because his behavior isn't as extreme" Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #68
Hmmm... OilemFirchen Apr 2019 #144
Not sure of your point. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #146
Of course not. OilemFirchen Apr 2019 #159
#facknews ! stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #49
HEY OP WHAT'S THE DATE ON THIS ARTICLE EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #59
and you're posting it like it just happened. purposely hiding the date. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #60
I've been through that up there and I linked to the article. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #63
add the date to the top of your OP EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #65
... LexVegas Apr 2019 #67
THIS ARTICLE IS A WEEK OLD since the OP refuses to post the date EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #69
GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS FOR THE GUY THAT LINKED TO THE ARTICLE Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #72
ATTENTION ALL - POSTER LINKING TO AN OLD ARTICLE PRETENDING IT IS NEWS********** EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #74
Do you go through every post checking the date Lordquinton Apr 2019 #149
So? LexVegas Apr 2019 #73
No. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #70
Ok. I'll be posting about Pete later. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #87
OK. Sounds great. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #88
I'll leave it as a surprise I know you will enjoy! EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #95
,, EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #96
I'm not the one doing the all-caps shouting on this thread. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #101
. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #103
1. It's like 5 days old. 2. I have not denied that. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #105
my research for future posts is coming along well EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #104
At least you are admitting here that anything you post is not about the issue Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #106
what were your words "well I linked to the original article"!!!! EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #108
Because I did. Because I wasn't hiding anything about the article. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #110
your replies eroded all good faith in your intentions. just give it up. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #111
.... Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #133
. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #143
You're going all out Lordquinton Apr 2019 #150
.... LexVegas Apr 2019 #90
. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #98
... LexVegas Apr 2019 #99
Not the OP but when you click on the link the date is right on top. Autumn Apr 2019 #115
Yep Go Vols Apr 2019 #147
I've never seen a requirement that any article can only be posted once Autumn Apr 2019 #151
Rec. nt LexVegas Apr 2019 #66
Fuck you Tarana ... Drifter Apr 2019 #77
+1000 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #78
Tarana makes a mockery of her movement. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #80
she's power crazed. she wants to be king-maker and build her personal brand. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #82
And make money. Lots and lots of money. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #162
No matter that date of the article, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #83
zzzzzzzzzzz EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #85
Look at us agreeing about something. And I honestly just saw this today. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #86
And even if there was silence before now, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #93
Unfortunately, this issue is going to follow Biden as far as he goes in the jalan48 Apr 2019 #89
The 33% (or whatever) of Trump's base will never care about his sexual behavior. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #92
I don't think having this discussion between Trump and Biden is a good idea. jalan48 Apr 2019 #100
Nobody is. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #112
Thank you for all your comments on this issue. athena Apr 2019 #91
Thank you. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #102
It's sad that even age doesn't bring respect. athena Apr 2019 #113
It's just sad, really. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #116
That's an excellent point. athena Apr 2019 #119
Joe Biden is NO harasser or predator, Ms. Burke....... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #94
Lots and lots of people are only now discovering an awareness of physical contact? LanternWaste Apr 2019 #97
Burke is a self important nut job BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #114
Founder of MeToo is a "self important nut job." Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #117
Good deal. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #160
it's gone to her head. she is now an abuser herself. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #118
+10000 BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #164
We did this thread already. This is OLD news. bitterross Apr 2019 #127
It's a whole 5 days old. And I discuss it in depth above. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #134
You had nothing new to offer in your "discussion" above. bitterross Apr 2019 #172
The flop-sweat... tonedevil Apr 2019 #135
Real world data shows that to be merely wishful thinking BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #161
OK /nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #163
+1000 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #165
Putting Biden and Weinstein in the same sentence is complete bullshit. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2019 #138
Even if that sentence says they aren't the same in what was done? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #139
"Just because it wasn't as extreme as Weinstein...." NoMoreRepugs Apr 2019 #173
should white women who touch black women's hair without their permission JI7 Apr 2019 #181
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #142
I am a woman and I have had enough of Tarana Burke katmondoo Apr 2019 #145
Fine. Don't vote for him. Mme. Defarge Apr 2019 #154
Tarana is damaging the movement herself katmondoo Apr 2019 #157
Then Stand On - Thankfully the Majority of Dems Don't. Indykatie Apr 2019 #156
A big who cares what she says...the me to movement is in shreds thanks to politically motivated Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #168
100%+ True Blue American Apr 2019 #179
why would you pretend this was new...make it look like there are further attacks on Biden...welcome Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #170
"sexual harrassment and violence" Martin Eden Apr 2019 #175
 

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. Oh for crying out loud. Enough already.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
3. Exactly. These women need to learn their place...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:49 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
71. EVERYONE - THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE THAT IS BEING POSTED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS ********
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
182. Oh right. If you criticize a woman you must be sexist.
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:37 AM
Apr 2019

And because she started a movement, she speaks for all women everywhere who support MeToo.

Clearly she must be in line for canonization!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
4. +1 Agree 100%...So sick of this crap..nt
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
8. Hmmm. Interesting take on the founder of the movement.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:58 AM
Apr 2019

You don't think attitudes toward things that make women uncomfortable is important?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
27. I get that.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:36 AM
Apr 2019

My boss used to put his hand on my shoulder. I hated it, not because it was sexual, but because it was a dominance gesture. Real hugs are totally different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
76. THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE BEING POSTED AS IF IT JUST HAPPENED **********************************
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:18 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
126. Right! We did this whole thread already DAYS ago.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:51 PM
Apr 2019

We've been here and done this. Reposting it is just bad for everyone.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=56182

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
2. Gosh I wish these people would drop it and leave Biden alone
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:49 AM
Apr 2019

He might have invaded their personal space but he did not sexually assault them. He apologized and now they want to take everything he says and disect it. Beyond sick of all of it. Thiscaused us to lose someone like Al Franken too. We needed people like him to help us take down the orange asshole.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
9. So they should not talk about what makes the uncomfortable
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:59 AM
Apr 2019

because it wasn't sexual assault? How close to sexual assault does it need to be before it's OK for them to say something?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
14. did they do so at the time?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

did they remove his hand from their shoulders and say "your physical expression of either support or sympathy is not needed or wanted"

did they say anything at the time at all?

Did they complain when others (especially those who they now support for POTUS) did the exact same thing as Joe?

If they didn't complain about Bernie Sanders putting HIS hands on their shoulders either then or now... why the dual standard?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
19. So there is a timeline?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:29 AM
Apr 2019

There is no reason why they might feel like they can't say anything at the time?

They can't feel uncomfortable with one person but comfortable with another for their own reasons?

Maybe Biden gave them a creepy feeling for a multitude of options and Sanders didn't? I don't know. That would be something that would be up to them to decide.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
39. so how would one know that a physical touch is unwanted?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:44 AM
Apr 2019

and if the standard is... "don't invade personal space because you don't know what the person wants" then why would there NOT be a complaint about other prominent politicians touching these women in the exact same way (just because they feel now that the physical expression is OK from some but not others).

Neither of these male politicians (and why would a woman who doesn't like to be touched need to restrict the complaints to only men who touched them?) knew before hand if the touching was unwanted... so they both acted inappropriately... but only one (who is potentially running against the other one) is called out as a #metoo criminal bad person.

#metoo will lose support if it is used as a tool to discredit good men who did "nothing different" that others that the "victims" now support in politics. This will let the real offenders (like our current "grab them by the pussy" president) off because "how is what Trump did different than Joe Biden?" in the minds of many...

Witness Al Franken and what it did to his career... and he was one of our best Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
45. So when I'm talking to a woman, I don't touch her.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:48 AM
Apr 2019

I can still be next to her and not put my hands on her. Why is that so hard?

And if I feel like it is appropriate, why can't I just ask? Is that some burden to me?

All of these male politicians assumed that the touch was wanted and was OK. That's the problem. Maybe sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't. The problem is that males often just assume that it is OK and don't make sure and are pretty crappy at reading the signs.

This can't just be about saying that "grab them by the pussy" is bad but anything less than that is fine. We need to have a discussion about males putting their hands on the small of the back of women as they pass them. We (males) need to learn that that is pretty shitty, too. Nobody is saying that an unwanted hand on the shoulder is the same as "grabbing their pussy." But it's still shitty and we should still talk about it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
57. I don't either
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:08 AM
Apr 2019

but then when a woman I used to work with now tries to sell me and my new company computer equipment... she hugs me "hello" on every sales visit. Should I care? She does it without asking me if it is ok for her to do so. Should I call my previous employers HR and make a complaint? These sorts of "offenses" against one's personal space are innocent in nature... no one is offering me sex in exchange for me purchasing something for which she would be granted a commission (we are talking about millions of dollars on revenue for her company). No one is sexually harassing me. I am not going to wait for years and when she is up for promotion then I will register a complaint with her HR department, sue her for sexual harassment or complain on a twitter channel about her behavior.

Because it isn't a big deal.

I think these women who are complaining about Joe Biden right now are doing so purely for political purposes and to try to remove him from the field of candidates for President... because they have either been told to do so by another candidate they support or they thought of it themselves. And I believe that to be despicable.

It's not like this is new behavior for Joe... and why didn't the complaints come when the #metoo movement started and everyone was outing truly gross behavior including rape or attempted rape. Why wait until Joe is about to announce a run for President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
61. If you don't want a hug, then you can tell her.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

And are there women that might make claims to hurt someone? I'm sure there might be. But I'm going to continue to live my life with the assumption that those are pretty far and few between. That when a woman tells me that something makes her uncomfortable, I'm going to listen, believe her, and not tell her that she is wrong about that and that it is OK that that guy touched her. I'm not going to dismiss it. I'm not going to make it OK for others to dismiss it either so that we get more of that "culture of silence" that the article in the OP talks about.

I also don't feel I need to hold all women to a timeline that makes me feel better about things. If a woman wants to talk about her reality right now, then that is a good time for her to talk about it. If she wants to do it X days from now, that's a good time, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
15. They said it! He apologized and said he would be more careful. End of story..
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

What else do they want from him? For him not to run?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
20. His joking about it after the apology was pretty tone deaf.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:30 AM
Apr 2019

And, I'm guessing they want a discussion and not to be dismissed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
152. These women had their 15 minutes.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:52 PM
Apr 2019

They don't like physical contact of any kind. We get it. Move along.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
167. Ding Ding Ding
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 07:11 PM
Apr 2019

Here's a kewpie doll.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
183. This is so ridiculous. How can you pretend that they seriously 'want a discussion'?
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:44 AM
Apr 2019

If they really wanted a discussion about being uncomfortable about a moment of having their space invaded, they would spend 10 minutes talking about it to their therapist, or their spouse.

Or they would forget about it in an hour like the rest of us do when uncomfortable things happen - like all the time!

These women don't 'want a discussion' about their tender little feelings. They just don't want Biden to be president. Or possibly they were paid to not want him to be president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
5. Joe Biden did nothing wrong. Joe Biden's actions had nothing to do
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019

with sexual harassment. Burke needs to stop relating the two in the same breath.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
10. Sorry
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:59 AM
Apr 2019

I searched the last couple of pages and didn't see it.

My bad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
140. Yeah, your "bad".. try putting it in the
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:22 PM
Apr 2019

search engine the next time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Yeah but, that was LAST week. We have to see this at least once every week until spring 2020......
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
21. That's rich
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:31 AM
Apr 2019

We still hear about Sanders having more than one house. And a million other things that he did 4 years ago.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
30. Thanks for making it clear that your concern really
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:38 AM
Apr 2019

isn’t about MeToo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
34. Of course it is.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:42 AM
Apr 2019

But when people complain that we shouldn't talk about it because it's *GASP* a whole week old, that rings of some serious hypocrisy that should be pointed out.

I supported Sanders in 2016 but do not this time around. I don't think he's right for the time. Nor do I think Biden is.

But the level of dismissiveness toward the MeToo concerns on DU is troublesome at the least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
38. Hard to argue with that well thought out retort.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:44 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
43. Your MeToo concern isn't that well thought out.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:46 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
47. Thank you for dismissing concerns about what women have to deal with.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:52 AM
Apr 2019

It is important that we talk about this. YMMV, I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
107. You made it clear this isn't about women or MeToo.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

It’s about Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
109. I don't even support Sanders this time around.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:52 PM
Apr 2019

My response about Sanders was that someone complained about this being brought up AGAIN when it's *GASP* FIVE DAYS OLD. How many posts a day do we have to see about Sanders and his stupid tax returns? Those that take part in those kind of threads don't get to say that this shouldn't be posted after 5 days.

But, yeah, you go ahead and keep saying this is somehow magically about Sanders. When I've clearly shown support for a different candidate (it's not even like I'm "undecided" to hide something)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
120. Your post 21 speaks for itself, as does this little change
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:20 PM
Apr 2019

confession. This isn’t about MeToo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
121. Post 12 gives the context for post 21. Post 21 didn't just happen out of the blue.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:23 PM
Apr 2019

What "change confession"? As to why I'm not supporting Sanders? It's actually pretty much the reason I'm not supporting Biden who I liked as VP (hint: it has nothing to do with the point of the OP).

But, again, if it makes you feel better to think something, then I guess you have at it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
130. This isn't about MeToo
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:53 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
131. This subthread has kind of devolved, for sure.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:56 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
176. I am a woman.
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:14 AM
Apr 2019

A Clerk put his hand on my shoulder at the grocery yesterday. I have had a couple of conversations with him.

I took it as a gesture of friendship.

Good God, this is getting ridiculous and my fellow Dems and those wanting attention have gone off the rails!

The MeToo movement is supposed to be about sexual harassment! Not idiotic space years later!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,477 posts)
122. A million other things being dollars. Oh the hypocrisy...the one who rails at...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

millionaires and billionaires is one himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
123. If you start a thread about that
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:27 PM
Apr 2019

you might want to be careful because I'm sure the double posting police that came after me here will go after you. As will the "old news" brigade.

Actually, I know they won't, but, you know....

But, yeah, I'm not pulling for Sanders to win this time around. I'll clearly vote for him if he does, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
7. I was raped and I'm really sick of the bastardizing of MeToo
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:57 AM
Apr 2019

I can't even begin to express how distressing and hurtful it is to see a genuinely GOOD person being pig piled on as if his well meaning gestures were even REMOTELY comparable to me being violently beaten and raped. People are not mind readers. If someone's well meaning gestures make you feel uncomfortable then SAY SOMETHING right then. Don't decide to use your discomfort with an innocent gesture to try to destroy and demonize another person.

This feels like being violated all over again at how MeToo is being minimized and now people trying to speak out about sexual assault won't be taken as seriously anymore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
11. I'm sorry that happened.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:00 AM
Apr 2019

But I don't know how it is minimizing the movement when it is the founder of the movement talking about it. She puts it into perspective of her movement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
16. Including innocent gestures under the same umbrella as VIOLENT RAPE minimizes MY trauma
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:13 AM
Apr 2019

I don't know how much more clear I can be. It's deeply insulting and hurtful.

When someone tries to hug me and I don't want a hug I just say, "I don't like hugs." Then they don't try to hug me. I don't wait a few years and then go to the press and try to intimidate them into not applying for a job they want and are qualified for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
22. Well said, Indygram...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:31 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
23. I don't think the #metoo movement is about violent rape only.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

And I don't think anyone is saying that what these women are talking about is the same as what you experienced. One of the paragraphs I quoted says explicitly that it isn't the same.

There myriad reasons why one might not feel they are able to tell someone they don't want physical contact from someone else. I think that is the discussion that is trying to be had here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
32. "Support survivors and end sexual violence"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:41 AM
Apr 2019

That is what the MeToo movement is SUPPOSED to be about. It doesn't say "Coddling for people unwilling to speak up and set boundaries."

https://metoomvmt.org/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
41. There is also this from the website
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019
Many of us are survivors, too; so we know that empowering others through empathy is often a part of our own healing journeys.


I don't see a lot of empathy here sometimes.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
50. Are you a survivor? I am
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:55 AM
Apr 2019

Have you been violently beaten and raped? I have.
Have you been groped against your will multiple times through your lifetime? I have.
Have you been sexually harassed dozens of times? I have.

All of the things I mentioned have one thing in common...the perpetrator sought or got sexual gratification from what they did. THAT was the CLEAR intent. Joe Biden's uninvited and sometimes unwelcome hugs were NEVER anything other than an attempt to provide comfort, support and encouragement. Trying to group it with something dirty and disgusting is beneath contempt and needs to stop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
51. I am not.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

And, again, I am sorry that you are.

And neither I nor the article I quote are comparing what Biden did to what you experienced. I'm sorry if I gave that impression.

But do you not think that she is right that the attitudes we have toward these women help to perpetuate a culture of silence? Do you think that by having empathy toward what these women have gone through we can help with creating a better culture for the healing of people who have gone through what you have? That empathy is always better? That we can be better at empathy?

And I would also reiterate that if you want to continue this discussion elsewhere in the event that this overall thread is triggering, I am fine with that. I do want to know your viewpoint on it all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
124. Really-Because your heroine said this on Twitter:
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:41 PM
Apr 2019

"We can’t only get up in arms when it’s a Weinstein situation. These lesser talked about, often ignored violations and indignities are what help deepen a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence."

So she either conflates what Biden did with sexual harassment and violence or is just using #metoo to advance her politics. Either way she can Fuck off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
125. Pretty much what she says in the article in the OP. Which you COMPLETELY misunderstand.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:46 PM
Apr 2019

She is not saying they are the same crime. She is saying that reacting to these women that have accused Biden like people on here are is just going to entrench this culture of silence. Women that have a truth to tell are going to see how these women are treated for just saying they were uncomfortable with what Biden did and they are not going to tell their truth for fear of being treated the same or worse.

And she's right. And you telling her to fuck off because she makes that point doesn't help, either. And isn't something I would expect on a liberal web site. But, yeah, the woman of color that started a social movement to empower women can fuck off because you support some old white guy for president. Jesus.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
128. Really
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:53 PM
Apr 2019

You don't expect a democrat on a democratic discussion board to defend the democratic front runner from a spurious attack against his character while she is supporting a different democrat. And yes-she can fuck off!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
132. So fuck women's issues--IT'S PRIMARY TIME!
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:58 PM
Apr 2019

Seems like a shitty position to take.

And neither I nor the article in the OP are saying Biden shouldn't run. Just that we need to have the discussion and make women feel like they can tell their truth when they want to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
136. Fuck the Frankening and those who spread it...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:02 PM
Apr 2019

I'm done with you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
137. Oooh man, whatever am I going to do without you?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:04 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
158. Whatever are you going to do
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:30 PM
Apr 2019

that you can't bring Joe Biden down?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Cha (Reply #158)

 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
174. So blatantly
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 01:58 AM
Apr 2019

desperate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
169. Your primary pick would benefit from Biden being out. Have you consider as great as Mayor Pete is
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

and I like him, he won't win a general. Biden can and will hence all the attacks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
148. it is unfortunate....
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:07 PM
Apr 2019

.... that they are those who cannot grasp the wisdom in your words. A genuine voice of reason born out of a tragic event. Thank you

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Desert grandma

(802 posts)
155. Thank you for saying
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:12 PM
Apr 2019

What many of us women are thinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
171. I'm sorry for your tragedy
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 07:46 PM
Apr 2019

But know you are not alone. 1 in 4 women have been raped. In varying degrees from passed out and raped to full on violent beating and rape. Include sexually assaulted and that number goes up a great deal. Many women don't report their rapes. I didn't report mine.

Talking about the trauma of feeling uncomfortable when somebody you hardly know shows too familiar of affection, then feeling loss of control about what can be done about it because that person holds some sort of sway doesn't diminish your trauma in any way. We don't measure a woman's trauma by the severity. This isn't a contest. There are no medals given for having a gun held to your head while your drunken spouse does what he wants to your body, repeatedly. Nor do we tell a women who had her ass grabbed on the bus to just get over it, it wasn't that bad.

Joe Biden is an affectionate person. That's great for the people he calls friends and loved ones. But this isn't the first time his affectionate ways have been brought to his attention. In the past it's been called out and the person in question gave him cover, as women have been taught to do for generations. So Joe, being a man with power and prestige listened to all the people telling him it was OK and he's a great guy, because society told him it was OK and he's a great guy.

Now we have women speaking out. Speaking truth. It's not OK. This is my life, my personal space, my voice. You don't get to be overly familiar with me because YOU like to be affectionate. You don't get to be a great guy at my expense.

When the story came out, I gave Joe a pass because society has been telling him his whole life his actions were OK. When he apologized and said he's listening and learning I thought he was FKN awesome. Then he made fun..............................

So now we're back to Joe Biden getting to enjoy being an affectionate person to whomever he chooses cause he's a great guy and damn it, he's entitled to feel good about giving affection to people he barely knows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
180. I totally agree. I think it's an insult to women who have been raped.
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:33 AM
Apr 2019

When the MeToo Movement started, I was really emotionally moved to be able to say - out loud, in public - 'me too' about being raped.

The realization that most women had suffered some kind of significant sexual assault in their lives seemed to give us all strength, and forge it into a movement.

Suddenly every shoulder touch - even those that are admittedly nonsexual! - are condemned by MeToo? That is an insult to all the women who have been raped to be equated with those who have 'suffered' a kiss on the head.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
13. Your article was posted: 04/05/2019 06:52 pm--- FIVE days ago: You just won't let it go...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:11 AM
Apr 2019


The backlash you are seeing is from those who may well have given all the accusers every benefit of the doubt, (as did I) had sympathy for them (as did I), but after weeks of the rehash, Biden's repeated mea culpas, and most of all, their total lack of grace in accepting, has turned many of us off, totally. I no longer hold any neutrality towards those who keep rehashing over and over and over and over. To me (and many others), that just SCREAMS agenda. I'm not even supporting Biden (at least yet), but damn, this just pisses me off daily.

Maybe it is time for some of these individuals--who proclaim they are so "offended" and remain so weeks later-- to go scream at their elderly grandparents for deigning to HUG THEM! OMG! Get it out of your system!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
25. I just saw it today.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:34 AM
Apr 2019


It resonated with me after his tone deaf joke about asking for consent less than 24 hours after his apology. Those jokes lead me to believe that he really doesn't get the point of the discussion.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
28. Really? Have you never committed a nervous faux pas? Boy some here are really exceptional
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:38 AM
Apr 2019

and far less human than the rest of us... I don't think I or much of anyone I know could endure that level of "judgment".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
31. Of course I have.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:40 AM
Apr 2019

But if someone asked me to stop, I didn't then turn to the next person and make a joke about it. I was sorry for my mistake and tried to do better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
40. ahh, so than you do understand and belive in the concept of forgiveness...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019

Too bad more apparently do not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
53. I thought Biden's video apology was fine. And then he made his joke.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:03 AM
Apr 2019

And that cut against the apology pretty hard.

And if I were on his campaign staff, I would have had him make the video apology earlier rather than issuing a statement through a spokesperson because I don't think that helped him as much.

But we still need to talk about it. Nobody--not I nor the article in the OP--are saying Biden shouldn't be "forgiven." But the article in the OP and I both agree that we need to continue this discussion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
33. Agreed, he doesn't get the point
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:41 AM
Apr 2019

A lot of people don't seem to get the point.

I don't think this is about disqualifying Biden from running. Better for Biden that these stories come out now than closer to the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
79. Nice edit of your title.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:21 AM
Apr 2019

Doesn't change anything about my response to the original.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
81. Edited Title??? I took out the ET for Eastern Time Zone because it was superfluous
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:23 AM
Apr 2019

What on earth? Geebus

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
18. I think that the ME Too movement was mostly organic -- not really led by anyone
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

That said, I think that she is going too far here. This episode did the OPPOSITE of "deepening a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence"

First of all, Biden's actions, inappropriate as some of them were, were not violence or even sexual harassment. In the years he was in the Senate, there were some senators on each side whose actions DID rise to that level. That was never Biden's reputation. If there was anything that rose to that level, it would have discovered when the Obama team vetted him - and if they missed it it would have been an issue in 2008.

So, at this point, you had a man who most people who actually know him call decent, compassionate ... and too demonstrative. He has acknowledged that and says that he will change his behavior.

The magnitude in the change in the Democratic half of the population on this can be measured by the fact that Joe Biden is being called out on this by many of the same people who were huge fans of Bill Clinton, who had far bigger problems - though not the Republican exaggerations.

Some of this might be simply a desire to nominate a woman, but it is clear that - even with everything shown - the majority of Americans do not see this as disqualifying for Biden.





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polly Hennessey

(6,747 posts)
24. Ok, women on one side of the room,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:34 AM
Apr 2019

men on the other side and no looking across the aisle. Now, the only space women can/will/may invade will be each other’s space.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
26. Or, and I know this might be a radical thought, maybe men (which I am)
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:35 AM
Apr 2019

could actually start paying attention to what they are doing and not assume that everyone wants to be touched by them.

Shocking, I know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
42. Do you mean like paying attention to rape survivors
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:46 AM
Apr 2019

Who express that minimizing their trauma by lumping unwanted hugs under the same umbrella as violent rape is deeply distressing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
46. I'm sorry that you went through that.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:51 AM
Apr 2019

I've said that before.

But I also read a lot from other survivors (like on the MeToo website) who say that this type of discussion is important, too. That a society which dismisses the "small" violations like Biden committed is part of creating a rape culture. So I have contradictory messages. I'm empathetic to what you are saying. I am. If you want to bow out of this conversation and trash this thread because it triggers you, I fully understand that. If you want to have this conversation through messages so that you don't need to read the rest of the thread, I'm happy to do that. I would love to listen to your thoughts on this whole mess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
52. I don't believe you are
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:03 AM
Apr 2019

You minimized my trauma again with this post.

Intent matters and I think yours on this thread has become quite clear.

I support Biden 100% and the more this agenda is pushed the more I find his accusers motives to be highly suspect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
55. I didn't even know you as a poster on DU when I made the OP.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:07 AM
Apr 2019

So, I clearly had no intent to minimize your trauma.

I have offered to continue this discussion more privately (on several occasions) so that you wouldn't have to have the trauma of this thread. I'm not sure what more I can do.

I have friends who have experienced the trauma you have and they have indicated that this type of discussion is necessary. So, as I mentioned earlier, I have conflicting views on whether this should be discussed, now. So I don't know how you would tell me to proceed in that reality. I both should and shouldn't talk about this. Which is why I have offered to have a discussion about that without away from this thread that bothers you, and I have indicated you can trash this thread so it doesn't continue to trigger you. I'm sorry that it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
177. Yes!
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:19 AM
Apr 2019

Real Trauma is being ridiculed by these silly accusations!

You have every right to be angry! I am too, for you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polly Hennessey

(6,747 posts)
35. Exactly, no touch, no speak,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:42 AM
Apr 2019

no eye contact. Whew, now everyone is safe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
37. Why don't you just go full MAGA and call them snowflakes?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:43 AM
Apr 2019

That's your response to MeToo concerns? Really? Maybe you are in the wrong place.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Polly Hennessey

(6,747 posts)
58. No, I am not in the wrong place.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:08 AM
Apr 2019

I’ve been here since the beginning of DU. The MeToo movement is becoming a caricature of itself and, to that end, diminishing the impact of a serious problem in this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
141. Why don't you stop insulting DU members
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:25 PM
Apr 2019

because they disagree with you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
178. Thank you, Cha!
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:21 AM
Apr 2019

A male who thinks he speaks for women!

I stand for the real victims!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
184. Exactly, True Blue!
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 02:27 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

awesomerwb1

(4,257 posts)
44. "just because his behaviour isn't as extreme as Weinstein"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:48 AM
Apr 2019

That sentence I quoted from....WTF?

Seriously? Biden's and Weinstein's behaviors are galaxies apart and there is no reason to use them together in a sentence unless....

I guarantee you more people are seriously considering Joe Biden the more these silly comments keep being made.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
48. "help deepen a culture of silence"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:54 AM
Apr 2019

You don't think that part is true? Even on this thread we have the "well they didn't say it at the time" responses. There are "they shouldn't say this about good people like Biden" on this thread. If you don't see that this attitude helps that culture of silence, I think you might want to consider it more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

awesomerwb1

(4,257 posts)
54. No thanks, I'm good.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:04 AM
Apr 2019

I refuse to be a part of this silly hugger vs rapist = similar...stuff in this case. C ya.









If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
56. Nobody is saying that but you. That comparison is not being made.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:07 AM
Apr 2019

I don't know why it makes you feel better to think that it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Polly Hennessey

(6,747 posts)
64. Hugger versus Rapist equates
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:13 AM
Apr 2019

to similar. I am saying it too. Diminish your cause and everyone loses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
68. "just because his behavior isn't as extreme"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:15 AM
Apr 2019

The article in the OP makes it clear they are different.

It's about not continuing a culture of silence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
144. Hmmm...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:35 PM
Apr 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=62179

Cuthbert Allgood (1,814 posts)
61. If you don't want a hug, then you can tell her.


And are there women that might make claims to hurt someone? I'm sure there might be. But I'm going to continue to live my life with the assumption that those are pretty far and few between. That when a woman tells me that something makes her uncomfortable, I'm going to listen, believe her, and not tell her that she is wrong about that and that it is OK that that guy touched her.

My bold.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
146. Not sure of your point.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:39 PM
Apr 2019

Perhaps I am wrong, but my assumption about the post I responded to was that the poster was talking about a woman giving hugs. Then, in the paragraph, I was talking about myself, a male, and how I would respond to what a female tells me--the point of the OP.

If you have any insight into what I'm missing, I can perhaps respond better.

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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
159. Of course not.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:44 PM
Apr 2019

Throughout this thread, and the myriad of others on the subject, posters have suggested that women should be encouraged to express their boundaries - in order to avoid those boundaries being violated. You've fought back against that, because, apparently, everyone should know in advance what those boundaries are.

Yet here you've recommended the same for both a woman (in the subject line) and a man (presumably) in the body of the response. That's because you've properly, albeit accidentally, defaulted to the appropriate manner in which this should be dealt.

It may not be human nature for you to touch other people without first obtaining permission, but it would appear that you're actually just posturing.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
59. HEY OP WHAT'S THE DATE ON THIS ARTICLE
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:09 AM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
60. and you're posting it like it just happened. purposely hiding the date.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:10 AM
Apr 2019
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
63. I've been through that up there and I linked to the article.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:12 AM
Apr 2019

So I don't know who I'm "hiding" the date. You can follow the link.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
65. add the date to the top of your OP
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:13 AM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
69. THIS ARTICLE IS A WEEK OLD since the OP refuses to post the date
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:16 AM
Apr 2019
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
72. GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS FOR THE GUY THAT LINKED TO THE ARTICLE
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019

Take some breaths. It'll be OK.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
74. ATTENTION ALL - POSTER LINKING TO AN OLD ARTICLE PRETENDING IT IS NEWS**********
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019
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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
149. Do you go through every post checking the date
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:44 PM
Apr 2019

and screaming about it, or just the ones you have a bias against?

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
87. Ok. I'll be posting about Pete later.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:32 AM
Apr 2019
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
88. OK. Sounds great.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:34 AM
Apr 2019

If you want to know that thing that bothers me most about him, it would be his comment about SJW when he was in college. Feel free to start a discussion about that if you want me to contribute.

And, again, for the record, I linked to the original article and hid nothing about it. I gave full access to it in the OP. Had I not done that, you MIGHT have a point.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
95. I'll leave it as a surprise I know you will enjoy!
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:39 AM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
96. ,,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:40 AM
Apr 2019

yeah your good faith is shown in your abusive smart-ass responses to me. lol.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
101. I'm not the one doing the all-caps shouting on this thread.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:08 PM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
103. .
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

you're shit-stirring with an old article and trying to deny it

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
105. 1. It's like 5 days old. 2. I have not denied that.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:43 PM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
104. my research for future posts is coming along well
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

two-way street so you have fun with your little game.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
106. At least you are admitting here that anything you post is not about the issue
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:45 PM
Apr 2019

but "getting back" at some perceived slight you have that I actually had the audacity to post a 5-day-old article about an important topic.

I will say now that my response to you, if I even see your post and care enough to click on it, will be a link to this thread where you make your intent clear.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
108. what were your words "well I linked to the original article"!!!!
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:49 PM
Apr 2019

wah.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
110. Because I did. Because I wasn't hiding anything about the article.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:53 PM
Apr 2019

And I would never use four exclamation points (though you don't put that in quotation marks) because no self-respecting English teacher would.

It's good that you have found a way to turn off the all caps, though. Nice job.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
111. your replies eroded all good faith in your intentions. just give it up.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:54 PM
Apr 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
143. .
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:28 PM
Apr 2019

wow that black police chief story...

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
150. You're going all out
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:46 PM
Apr 2019

over an article that was written only 5 days ago. What's your actual beef here?

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Autumn

(44,765 posts)
115. Not the OP but when you click on the link the date is right on top.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:16 PM
Apr 2019

POLITICS 04/05/2019 06:52 pm ET. Right under the Zulily ad and above the Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden’s Response ‘Disrespectful And Inexcusable’ header. Can't miss it.

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Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
147. Yep
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:49 PM
Apr 2019

I have bread thats older than this article.

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Autumn

(44,765 posts)
151. I've never seen a requirement that any article can only be posted once
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:46 PM
Apr 2019

or that they have a expiration date.

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Drifter

(4,751 posts)
77. Fuck you Tarana ...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:19 AM
Apr 2019

You make a mockery of the me too movement by insinuating that the allegations against Biden are remotely similar to actual sexual assault. We have a president who openly bragged about his sexual predatory behavior. That's where your energy should be focused.

Cheers
Drifter
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
80. Tarana makes a mockery of her movement.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:23 AM
Apr 2019

Interesting spin on that.

I'm sure she will take your direction on how to do a social movement with the seriousness it deserves.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
82. she's power crazed. she wants to be king-maker and build her personal brand.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
162. And make money. Lots and lots of money.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:52 PM
Apr 2019
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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
83. No matter that date of the article,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:29 AM
Apr 2019

the behavior took place.

And questioning the motives of the women who complained is, in my view, part of the problem.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
86. Look at us agreeing about something. And I honestly just saw this today.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:32 AM
Apr 2019

I would add questioning the timing, too. Which I get is part of the motive, but we don't have to have a specific timeline for people to speak their truth. I didn't see people on here asking why women waiting for a specific time to talk about Harvey W. Or Trump. Again, not comparing the actions as equitable, but people feel the strength to talk at different times. My job at that point is to listen and have empathy.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
93. And even if there was silence before now,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:37 AM
Apr 2019

MeToo explains the why of the silence.

When someone accuses a powerful figure, or many someones, the tendency of the public and the media is to assume bad intent on the part of the accuser(s).


If anyone was a victim in the past, and they find the courage to speak now, they should be encouraged.

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jalan48

(13,798 posts)
89. Unfortunately, this issue is going to follow Biden as far as he goes in the
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019

Presidential race, if he declares himself a candidate. It will effectively neuter any talk about Trump and his sexual behavior or at best turn the race into a discussion of sexual behavior, pushing other issues about Trump's actions as President into the background.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
92. The 33% (or whatever) of Trump's base will never care about his sexual behavior.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:36 AM
Apr 2019

Others might. Having this discussion is never a bad thing.

And neither I nor the article in the OP are saying Biden should be disqualified for this. Just that the discussion needs to happen.

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jalan48

(13,798 posts)
100. I don't think having this discussion between Trump and Biden is a good idea.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:49 AM
Apr 2019
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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
112. Nobody is.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:57 PM
Apr 2019

The article in the OP is just admitting out front that they aren't saying they are the same. Which, apparently, was needed given all the hand wringing on a liberal website. Just imagine what the non-liberals are saying. The article in the OP wants everyone to know that they aren't the same. But that the reactions to the "lesser" of the offenses can help create/foster/continue a culture of silence, too.

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athena

(4,187 posts)
91. Thank you for all your comments on this issue.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:36 AM
Apr 2019

I just wanted to let you know that someone out there agrees with you and appreciates your clarity on this issue.

I’m not even young any more, but just last Friday, I was at a bar where a drunk older man my husband and I were talking to kept touching my back. It was behavior that is considered socially acceptable, but there was a definite sexual element to it, and I hated it. There was nothing I could do to stop it without making a scene, and I’ve since been dreading seeing this person again. I look back on all the times when I was a young woman and drunk older men at parties would touch my back or arm or hug me. I’m not a touchy-frely person, and I never liked what these men did, but I knew that if I didn’t accept it with a smile, I would be seen as a trouble maker, as if the men were just being friendly and I was the one who had a sick mind for seeing something sexual in their behavior. When a man is all touchy-feely with young or attractive women but keeps a respectful distance from other men, he is committing low-level sexual harassment, and he knows it. That’s not to say that an unwelcome touch is equivalent to sexual assault or rape, but it is sexist and disrespectful and should not be excused and celebrated as is being done here. I look forward to a time when women are not treated like pieces of meat, people stop assuming that young women like being touched by older men, and women are accorded the same level of respect as men. I fear I won’t be here to see it.

ETA: I fully expect to be flamed for not saying something to stop the man’s behavior and coming here to complain about it instead. Because, of course, I’m the problem. A man couldn’t possibly be expected to imagine that the women whose skin and body he likes touching don’t enjoy the attention.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
102. Thank you.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:14 PM
Apr 2019

My wife and I are solidly in our 50s. She is an attorney. She tells me often of judges, other attorneys, etc that feel just fine putting their hands on here and there is very little she can say or do given the impact it would have potentially on her case. Like me, she doesn't think that this disqualifies Biden (though she also thinks his joke after the apology was seriously tone deaf and will hurt him), but she agrees we need to have this discussion so that men can realize what they are doing even when they don't have the intent of Trump to be "grabbing pussies."

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athena

(4,187 posts)
113. It's sad that even age doesn't bring respect.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:12 PM
Apr 2019

Even if men asked for permission, as you note, in many cases there is a power differential that doesn’t allow the woman to give a free answer. We need to start expecting men to treat women with respect, not ask for permission to treat women like objects.

I agree with you and your wife. I don’t think Biden is a sexual predator. He’s just from a different time. I really liked his earlier response, which indicated that he understands and respects changing attitudes. As for the joking, I have a husband who loves to tease and crack unexpected jokes, so I imagine that Biden just wanted to be funny. He has an unfortunate tendency to make inappropriate comments, which is why I don’t think he will last long as a candidate. I do like and respect him, but I think we have much stronger candidates running.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
116. It's just sad, really.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:17 PM
Apr 2019

And, yeah, I get that Biden is the fun uncle. The main reason I don't think he will do well is that when faced with Trump's usual insult tactic, Biden is going to want to roll up his sleeves and get into it with him and that is just going to mean Trump wins. We need someone that can approach it like AOC does to those that come after her. Quick FU and then back to the policy discussion. Main reason right now that I like Pete, though there are others for sure.

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athena

(4,187 posts)
119. That's an excellent point.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:49 PM
Apr 2019

After two terms of a given president, Americans tend to pick someone who has the opposite personality and demeanor. That’s how Obama won after two terms of GWB. Trump hasn’t had two terms yet, but he’s so extreme that a lot of people are fed up with him. I understand that many liberals want someone who will express their anger, but the wise choice would be a candidate who is Trump’s opposite: civilized, deliberate, well-spoken, and thoughtful. That’s why I think someone like Warren, who would normally seem unelectable in this macho country, might have a chance this time around.

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ProudMNDemocrat

(16,498 posts)
94. Joe Biden is NO harasser or predator, Ms. Burke.......
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:37 AM
Apr 2019

Unlike the Orange Puke in the White House, who slammed the women who dared to stand up to him.

Ms. Burke can be upset with Biden's video, but he was contrite and will be more aware of his actions and surroundings. Put me in a room with a Joe and nothing will happen. I am a hugger too, and I will my consent to be hugged.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. Lots and lots of people are only now discovering an awareness of physical contact?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:44 AM
Apr 2019

Through Steubenville, Isla Vista and the genesis of MeToo, so many people were either silent, or defending actions taken against women.

But now... now that the the time is politically convenient, now that expediency compels us to take notice for the sake of a sacred cow candidate, now that it is to our advantage to speak out against the gray areas (and implicitly speak out against a different candidate) does everyday sexism become an issue.

The allegation will fly fast... "I've always stood with women!!!"


Imagine that.

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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
114. Burke is a self important nut job
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:15 PM
Apr 2019

I stand with Joe Biden, not with people who are working their asses off to see Donnie gets another 4 years.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
117. Founder of MeToo is a "self important nut job."
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:18 PM
Apr 2019

I'll add that to the list of things I never thought I'd read on a liberal web site.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
118. it's gone to her head. she is now an abuser herself.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:32 PM
Apr 2019
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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
164. +10000
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:58 PM
Apr 2019

She’s basically like that hypocrite from Italy who slept with a 15 year old boy, and Rose McGowan who tried to make it all about Rose. Both did a lot more harm than good. .

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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
127. We did this thread already. This is OLD news.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:52 PM
Apr 2019

Your re-posting this was completely unnecessary and makes me wonder about your motives.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=56182

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
134. It's a whole 5 days old. And I discuss it in depth above.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:00 PM
Apr 2019

So if you have anything new to offer, let me know and I'll reply to that.

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bitterross

(4,066 posts)
172. You had nothing new to offer in your "discussion" above.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:35 PM
Apr 2019

I started reading your posts. You've offered nothing new that was not covered in the earlier thread.

So, you've done nothing to advance the cause of electing a Democrat in the next election. In fact, you've harmed the cause by being divisive.

NOTICE: I DID NOT say you've done nothing to advance the cause of electing Biden. No, I said "Democrat." Because all you've done is cause more bullshit fighting about something that was properly dying out.

I hope you're happy all you've accomplished is being divisive again. You probably are. Probably are very happy you have a thread with so many responses. You probably feel you've contributed to the discourse.

You haven't.

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tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
135. The flop-sweat...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:00 PM
Apr 2019

from the desperate defense of VP Biden is getting deep enough to drown in.

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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
161. Real world data shows that to be merely wishful thinking
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:50 PM
Apr 2019

I know it’s frustrating the plan didn’t work.

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NoMoreRepugs

(9,260 posts)
138. Putting Biden and Weinstein in the same sentence is complete bullshit.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:14 PM
Apr 2019

This Burke woman should be ashamed of herself.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,867 posts)
139. Even if that sentence says they aren't the same in what was done?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:16 PM
Apr 2019

Seems like a reasonable sentence.

Do you have some insight into the claim that the reactions to the women who spoke their truth about Biden is helping to support a culture of silence? Because I think that claim is extremely valid.

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NoMoreRepugs

(9,260 posts)
173. "Just because it wasn't as extreme as Weinstein...."
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:05 AM
Apr 2019

It's not in the same fucking universe. I say again, its total bullshit.

Whataboutism and both sides do it horseshit and crap like this where the bar is set at Weinstein and Biden isn't quite that bad is a smear.

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JI7

(89,187 posts)
181. should white women who touch black women's hair without their permission
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:34 AM
Apr 2019

be said to be less bad versions of Harvey Weinstein ?

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katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
145. I am a woman and I have had enough of Tarana Burke
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:37 PM
Apr 2019
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Mme. Defarge

(7,982 posts)
154. Fine. Don't vote for him.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:01 PM
Apr 2019

And damage the credibility of Me Too while you’re at it.

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katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
157. Tarana is damaging the movement herself
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:26 PM
Apr 2019
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Indykatie

(3,691 posts)
156. Then Stand On - Thankfully the Majority of Dems Don't.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:14 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
168. A big who cares what she says...the me to movement is in shreds thanks to politically motivated
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 07:13 PM
Apr 2019

women such as herself. And I say as a sexual assault survivor...fuck off...Tarana-you don't speak for me.

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Demsrule86

(68,355 posts)
170. why would you pretend this was new...make it look like there are further attacks on Biden...welcome
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 07:17 PM
Apr 2019

to ignore.

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Martin Eden

(12,805 posts)
175. "sexual harrassment and violence"
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:03 AM
Apr 2019

Really -- that's what Joe Biden was doing?

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