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Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:33 PM

 

Democratic Primary voting should ALL be ranked-choice.

The Party should require it.

We implemented ranked-choice voting for local offices in our last municipal election and it was very effective. I admit I had some doubts, but it was much less difficult to implement than was initially feared.

It was particularly helpful in the case of a mayoral candidate who dropped out between the early voting and the final election. The next choice on each voter's ballot just moved up one choice level in the tallying process.

It sounds complicated, but the commission in charge of implementing it hired a PR firm to do some excellent resources- videos and booklets- to explain it, and held community meetings for people to ask questions and play a game version of the election to try it out.

As the process morphs from the days when people cared enough to attend Party meetings, participate in local, district, and state Party process, and do much of the vetting and early whittling-down of candidate slates that way, to the era when no one wants to have to do much more than look at media on their deevice screens and then cast a vote, we're going to have larger and larger candidate fields.

Ranked-choice voting is incredibly helpful, effective and, yes, transparent (if implemented, tallied, and reported properly) to winnow a field and make sure that everyone's voice is heard.

It would also help somewhat with the problem of people getting SO attached and SO passionate about one particular candidate that they get disgusted or turned off from the process if that candidate loses early or drops out.

In our last mayoral race I was able to look at a 5-candidate field and think not "which ONE do I have to throw all my energy and my vote into" but "Which one do I like BEST? And next-best? Who is my last choice?"

It gave me a very different perspective on the candidates and the election itself, and I think it resulted in the election of a mayor who had considerably more interest and support going into their first term, because while the winner might only have been 37% of the voters' first choice, they were more than fifty percent of the other voters' second choice and thirty-some percent of the other voters' third choice.

Ranked-choice voting would reduce intra-party rancor and division, provide a more effective and transparent way to reflect Democratic voters' preferences and concerns, and I really believe it would give our eventual nominee a much stronger, more united push behind them in the general election.

Just sayin'...

opinionatedly,
Bright

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Reply Democratic Primary voting should ALL be ranked-choice. (Original post)
TygrBright Mar 2020 OP
blm Mar 2020 #1
Codeine Mar 2020 #2
StTimofEdenRoc Mar 2020 #3
Codeine Mar 2020 #9
CentralMass Mar 2020 #4
MH1 Mar 2020 #11
CentralMass Mar 2020 #12
Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #5
TygrBright Mar 2020 #6
meow2u3 Mar 2020 #7
Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #16
guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8
Quixote1818 Mar 2020 #10
Tweedy Mar 2020 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #14
TygrBright Mar 2020 #15
Recursion Mar 2020 #17

Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:34 PM

1. Agree.

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:35 PM

2. I like it, especially when combined

 

with the 15% viability rule.
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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:35 PM

3. And 100% mail in, like Washington state.

 

Also fourth ans fifth choice, since my first four are now out.
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Response to StTimofEdenRoc (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:53 PM

9. No. Being able to make a strategic

 

change to your vote is a valuable tool in an ever-changing political environment.

Besides, I like going to my polling place and casting a vote in person. The trappings and procedures of democracy appeal to me in a silly way, I guess.
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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:40 PM

4. I thik this is a terrible idea. It souds like a caucus. It wo just add more complexity and chance

 

for abuse. The electoral college should be eliminated and we should have primaries in each state.
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:56 PM

11. I think Bernie is in favor of RCV

 

or at least, has said he supported it in the past.

Most progressives I know support RCV.

To your points:

* It is not like a caucus, the peer pressure element is not there. It is one ballot, the voter merely ranks the choices.

* It is true there is some complexity but most people can handle it once they've seen it work. As for chances for abuse, those can be reduced by transparency and good practices. Unfortunately that is often lacking in elections we have today. RCV does not necessarily create more chances for abuse - if it is properly implemented. Engaging in the process locally helps keep the people running it honest - just like the current plurality system used for most elections.
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Response to MH1 (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 10:00 PM

12. My opinion stands

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:42 PM

5. What I want....

 

Rotating primary order.

Uniform primary policies.

Ranked choice voting.
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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:42 PM

6. What you said, all of it. n/t

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:44 PM

7. We should have ranked choice voting nationwide

 

In EVERY election, that is. RCV eliminates the "spoiler" effect.
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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:06 AM

16. No thanks...like caucuses...and you cold end up with two Republicans in a race.

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:50 PM

8. Recommended.

 

In theory, it could allow a candidate currently ranked third, or lower, to win if that candidate were the favorite second choice.

And it could reduce rancor if all candidates committed to immediately support the process, and immediately support the eventual winner.
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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:54 PM

10. All voting should be. Nt

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

13. Yes

 

We should do everything we can to bring people back into the process.

Would like to see an end of polling until right before an election too. Otherwise, we ignore everybody the press ignores unless that candidate already has significant name recognition.

Name recognition does not reflect the people's wisdom, members of the press! It sure gave the unindicted co-conspirator we have now a back door into power.

Perhaps our Fourth Estate should first ask does this human have any clue about anything? & only after that question is thoroughly plumbed move on to the horse race, rally coverage.

Our comedians told us the "very stable genius" was a dufus and a thug, but few in our press have ever plumbed his competence while he is "very"-ing the heck out of them, with his bad model poses and word salad.
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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 10:59 PM

14. Excellent idea. What state are you in? How do you

 

suggest our National Democratic Party, who seems ( to me) so wedded to traditional past rules, moves to such a "right (as in correct)" idea?
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:43 AM

15. It'll move there if enough of us start attending local Party meetings...

 

...volunteering for Party work, getting elected to Party offices at the local level, and then moving up through the district/regional level, and then to the state level, in our own states. It'll start as a trickle and end as a flood.

But how long that will take will depend on us.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:44 AM

17. Ranked choice and proportional delegate assignment don't make much sense together (nt)

 

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