Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumMaybe a President's Age Doesn't Matter That Much
Statistically, all the remaining 2020 candidates can survive two terms. But older leaders might make decisions differently.
Sanders, Bloomberg (who is the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg News) and Biden have already passed the average life expectancy of a male American, recently estimated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at 76.2 years. Does this mean theyre living on borrowed time? Well, no, life expectancy doesnt work that way. Once an American man has made it to 78 years and 5 months, as Sanders has, he can expect to live to 88, according to the Social Security Administrations life expectancy tables. Here are the estimated additional years of life expectancy, based solely on gender and age, for him and other significant remaining candidates.
All these candidates are in the upper reaches of the income distribution (Pete Buttigieg, the poorest, has a taxable income right around the 90th percentile), which in recent years has translated into much longer-than-average lifespans. As president, they would also have access to the very best medical care, and though the office is known to age its occupants in superficial terms, a 2011 study by longevity researcher S. Jay Olshansky of the University of Illinois at Chicago concluded that it did not appear to shorten their lifespans. There are obviously risks specific to individual candidates, such as Sanderss heart troubles or Trumps weight, but I think its fair to describe the life expectancy estimates in the chart as quite conservative for all of them.
Still, while all the candidates can expect to see through two terms in office, the risk that Sanders or Bloomberg or Biden wouldnt make it is clearly a lot higher than Tulsi Gabbards risk. In a white paper published last year by the American Federation of Aging Research, Olshansky and five co-authors estimated the chances that each of the then-declared candidates would survive one and two terms based on the Social Security tables and a third-degree monotone cubic spline using Hyman filtering. For one term, Sanders came in at 76.8%, Biden 79.2%, Trump 84.8% (to make it through a second term), Warren 91.8%, Tom Steyer 93.7%, Amy Klobuchar 96.8%, and Buttigieg and Gabbard 99%. For two terms, it was Sanders 66.6%, Biden 70%, Warren 88%, Steyer 91.6%, Klobuchar 95.7%, and Buttigieg and Gabbard 98.7%. Bloomberg wasnt a candidate at the time, and the authors havent run exact percentages for him yet, but they would come in slightly lower than Bidens.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-25/age-doesn-t-matter-much-for-trump-sanders-bloomberg-biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
gredinger
(86 posts)I'm curious to the epigenetic age of these candidates.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/obr.12991
This study shows how obesity impacts the epigenetic clocks of humans. I'd imagine the impact on our current president would be quite severe.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,981 posts)Goes to show what healthcare can do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,086 posts)sprawled on his face and his fake dyed hair all white and scraggly, the real tRump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,981 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)The life expectancy in someone who is 78 and has had a stent is drastically reduced.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartDiseaseLivingWith/story?id=4224509
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,981 posts)or other serious medical problems. His three cardiologists stated that his heart is healthy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Are we now anti-science? Is this a faith based thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,981 posts)doctor quoted is anti science or faith based healer take it up with the person who posted it. I commented on one section of the article they are using to prove Bernie is unhealthy and liable to keel over any day .
2. This doesn't apply to Sanders
The life expectancy in someone who is 78 and has had a stent is drastically reduced.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartDiseaseLivingWith/story?id=4224509
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Bernie doesnt have a normal life expectancy as a white male over 75 who just had a heart attack.
Why are you pretending that the chart you posted is the OP is relevant?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,981 posts)Why are you pretending that the chart in the article I posted in my op is irrelevant? Just because you say so?
If you don't like the OP you are free to trash it. Or you can alert on it if you think it doesn't meet the SOP for this forum or is against the rules. You have options MrsCoffee, we all do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,981 posts)It is very relevant to my OP. In fact it was a part of the OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Science says something much different. I hope he beats science and lives a long healthy life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,981 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cary
(11,746 posts)In my business, trial lawyer, I was taught that one is more credible when they admit the weaknesses in their own argument. That makes a litigator more credible and shows that they aren't afraid.
Are you afraid?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)Actually, your link does not say that. It says:
Sanders does not meet either of the two "ands" (much less both of them). Nor does the passage ever use the word "drastically."
I'm not arguing whether you're right or wrong, I don't know, I'm just saying that the link you provided to support your statement doesn't support your statement.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The great level of care given to the hair-splitting and hyper-parsing and nit-picking reveals a position of weakness in this argument.
Fact of the matter is, he does have other ongoing issues that we can easily observe (his worsening osteoporosis for one) and others that we know about (the "fainting" spell, and the abdominal hernia were both in the news) and the absence of the full and complete medical report (as originally promised) rather than a quick "doctor's note" summary... well, all I'm trying to say is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, if there was nothing to hide, it would obviously be in his campaign's best interest to fully share this type of info. If there was absolutely nothing to hide, then it would surely help and benefit his campaign and put and end to the speculation. Yet... here we are, still wondering what's been left out and still speculating.
Obviously, someone at campaign headquarters has decided that the speculation is somehow "less threatening" to the campaign than the truth and openness and honesty. Otherwise, why withhold that which was previously promised? These are fair questions and the voters deserve answers that are honest and forthcoming. That's not too much to ask. Is it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)The good news for Sanders is that hes fared well in the first four months after his heart attack, which is when about two-thirds of these complications generally occur. That means his risk for the remainder of the year is now likely to be around 6 percent. But because he hasnt released the full record from his October hospitalization, we dont know if that number is actually substantially higher or lower. Both are possible. Knowing the results of his first cardiac blood tests (which appear to have been abnormal, though the precise language weve been given makes this a little vague), the presence of certain key features on his electrocardiogram (the information his doctors released is conspicuously vague on this), and how long it was from the time he first experienced symptoms related to his heart attack to when his coronary arteries were stented open could markedly alter this estimate, in either direction.
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From the day they left the hospital, the one-year risk of at least one rehospitalization for any reason in Medicare beneficiaries who suffered a heart attack like Sanders was about 50 percent (the baseline annual risk among his age cohort is more like 1 in 6). Again, by virtue of four incident-free months on the trail, that number is now lower for Sanders. But his chance of another hospitalization between now and November alone likely remains between 3035 percent
He'd be handing the White House to Trump if he needs another hospitalization if he were to win the candidacy.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)...you can get some idea of the relative risks of the candidates based on their ages and health conditions form the info here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287598203
It's based on actuarial info as used by life insurance companies. Which at least are accurate enough to make a lot of money for life insurance companies. Though of course, no one can predict precisely for any one individual.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)For those over 65, 65% die within eight years. 50% die within that timeframe even if they had stents placed.
https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/acute-coronary-syndrome/study-65-older-mi-patients-die-within-8-years
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)That figure is median, meaning half live longer than 3.1 years, and half live shorter.
Though again, these life expectancy figures are not allowing for whether someone is obese, or whether someone is a smoker, or whether someone is poor, all of which alter the numbers. Sanders, not being any of those three, would more likely be in the "more successful outcome" half.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He promised transparency and didnt follow through. More red flags.
Im not one of the faithful. I dont think he is physically fit for office or likely to complete a full term.
This is going to be an issue for voters whether we like it or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)The fact that he has had a heart attack changes the numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)Would anyone really argue that Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump have almost exactly the same life expectancy relative to their ages?
That's just not realistic. Pretending that other factors don't or shouldn't apply is disingenuous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,915 posts)medical records, after promising to, by just focusing on age and saying it doesn't matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Obviously, someone at campaign headquarters has decided that the speculation is somehow "less threatening" to the campaign than the truth and openness and honesty. Otherwise, why withhold that which was previously promised? These are fair questions and the voters deserve answers that are honest and forthcoming. That's not too much to ask. Is it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Men more than women, and it differs by individual, but age does affect health.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Asking for a friend.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided