Democratic Primaries
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The insurgent-turned-frontrunner will need the Democratic leaders if he's going to win the White House and then get his agenda enacted.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/bernie-sanders-schumer-pelosi-chuck-nancy-117758?fbclid=IwAR10i6eeO1W3ahlSXjdlkR49tRXLOw3oTHnSKttOLcr-nTjmIk4UX220G5s
The resistance to Sanders support for the "Green New Deal" and "Medicare for All" suggests major friction ahead in the campaign and on Capitol Hill. But theres also little animosity and a feeling of mutual respect between Sanders and the leaders, according to interviews with a dozen Democrats on Capitol Hill this week.
Faiz Shakir, Sanders campaign manager and a former aide to both Reid and Pelosi, said party leaders should prepare for a President Sanders to assume the responsibility for setting the agenda, creating the mandate for change, and pushing Congress to act.
Sen. Sanders has respect for the burden of leadership that Schumer and Pelosi carry, but he also believes the party can and will need to act far more boldly for working-class issues in the years ahead, Shakir said.
insurgent I will never understand how fighting for the working class and the poor makes one a rebel or a revolutionary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)Who would have thought taking care of the working class and poor would be so radical.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)Ill keep it at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Lucky Luciano
(11,255 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,082 posts)It's been simmering for some time now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)And DU always seemed to be the most liberal of the party. At one time all seemed to be for M4A and green new deal. In fact, it seemed they were upset if we did things implemental. Now? I dont know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,866 posts)Shame on anyone that considers themselves "we Democrats" to insult the party and its members by insinuating that "Sanders alone!" has been pushing for universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, etc. What a crock of shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Autumn
(45,082 posts)Except you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,866 posts)
"I will never understand how fighting for the working class and the poor makes one a rebel or a revolutionary."
That isn't what makes him a "rebel or a revolutionary" -- ALL of our candidates are fighting for that. Trying to belittle other candidates by implying they are not also fighting for universal healthcare, a raise in the minimum wage, etc. is shameful.
PS - If you have to ask yourself that question, maybe you should ask Sanders given that he is the one running around preaching "revolution this, revolution that" and created his own dark money organization named "Our Revolution," for god's sake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)No one said that "Only Bernie" is fighting for anything. Quit fucking attacking people for what they never said.
Fighting for the working class is the moral and right thing to do. Bernie isn't taking over the party, he's a part of it and works with them. Enough to know that there are people who consider him to be an important ally. If you had read the actual article you would have read that. Instead you went off on one line, containing one fucking word not even seeing why I picked that word to give my opinion. And that makes you decide I'm not a Democrat. If you base being a democrat on your own view of what one is, you may be right, I'm not a Democrat. And I take that as a complement.
insurgent I will never understand how fighting for the working class and the poor makes one a rebel or a revolutionary.
As to your PS. I have no desire to wallow in your hatred of people who don't suit your narrow view based on some reddit nonsense by people who have no clue. Super Pacs are a part of politics, like Liz said about them, "Thats How It Has To Be"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)the presidency , fail to regain the senate...leaving Trump in total charge of the entire government. This is truly a nightmare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)Only problem is its malfunctioning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)in red states pushing that cannard.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wisconsin picked a liberal governor. So did Michigan. Look at Virginia. Liberals are winning everywhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lucky Luciano
(11,255 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cary
(11,746 posts)The "rebel or a revolutionary" schtick is an affectation. That's why I dislike it and don't believe in it, like the majority of Democrats.
Of course we need to be a coalition. What are Sanders' supporters doing to make us one, if he wins the nomination? I don't see a whole lot of that from him or his supporters and that troubles me. What happens when the dog catches the car?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)This is Jeremy Corbyn redux. 1930s Socialism isolated from modern capitalism and not trusted by the entire right half of the political spectrum which also encompasses a lot of Democrats, moderates, and independents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)if so-called moderates vote for a fascist over a socialist, then I question their claim to be moderates or Democrats. Democrats can win with any nominee if we all get one or two non-voters to vote for the Democratic ticket. I think Biden is the best choice and Bloomberg is the worst. But if its Bernie, the sky wont be falling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)and crickets for the Senate. Bernie may, or may not, win. In my view. Those House races in 2018 were squeakers. Yes we won them all, but the last 10 or 11 results trickled in over a week or more by very slim, 300-4,000 vote margins. We didn't pay attention to it, the media didn't harp on it, but it was there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)but I agree that the Senate would be tough. I think Biden has the longest coattails to help ensure victory everywhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
deurbano
(2,895 posts)the fact that Democratic turnout tends to be higher in the general than in the midterms will help keep the House solidly blue, no matter the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Cary
(11,746 posts)There is nothing "so-called" about moderates who will not vote for Sanders. That bothers me too but it is beyond my control. I've tried. They just get mad at me.
But I will say that it is the job of Sanders and his supporters to reach moderates, not the other way around. As I said I see no such effort. I see a lot.of tribalism but no effort to focus on common ground or to compromise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)Because this country needs one. Enough of austerity for the poor and working class while everything flows up to the wealthy and corporations. Fuck em.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)make one doing so a piraiah or a rebel. It's a moral thing to do, it's the right thing to do. No Democrat should ever even hesitate a micro second to fight for the working class and the poor. No Democrat should ever consider those two things to be revolutionary.
Yet here we fucking are.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,082 posts)what someone else says or does George, you should try Google.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden