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Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:33 PM

 

If universal health care is a horse drawing exercise

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:35 PM

1. I was told yesterday that "we will just find the money"

 

so there is that.

Scrap the military entirely might do it.
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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:37 PM

2. This morning on CNN Nina Turner was asked where it would come from. Her answer:

 

"It will come from somewhere, it always does"! Incredible, eh?
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:52 PM

4. I guess she thinks we can just PRINT MORE MONEY!!

 

See? Easy! Problem solved!!

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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

6. Classic...I would like to see that clip

 

Have searched about and havenít found it yet.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:08 PM

7. I don't think it would be on their site yet, perhaps later today.

 

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:32 PM

11. Scrapping the military budget

 

wouldn't do it. The military budget is in the billions, medical care is in the trillions department....
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:44 PM

3. Warren's and Sanders' drawings are roughly equal.

 

The other fails completely it looks to me.

Why are any Dems getting so vitriolic about specifics of paying for a highly desirable goal. The GOP never does this. They make essentially the same case as Bernie relatively speaking. Their argument is always the same. The costs will be offset by returns (in their case revenue to the government, in Sandersí case lower cost to individuals which equals more money in peopleís pockets). The freak out over details at this point is absurd. You/we are letting the media control the narrative and then adding fuel to it. Does the GOP ever do this?!

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Response to KPN (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 01:54 PM

5. It's not a goal, it's a promise. A promise Bernie can't keep, and is still running on.

 

Apparently, a lot of Bernie's campaign is based on not differentiating between promises and goals. And enough people don't see the difference between the two.
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:18 PM

8. Okay. Just like 98% of the promises that most politicians running for President make.

 

Sanders at least has always been true to his words and will, in my estimation, fight for what he promises. He also is, contrary to the opinion of some here, a pragmatist and has shown that throughout his career ... capturing gains that he could when and via means he could. And he did that quite masterfully, particularly while in the House, using the amendment process.

Enough people do in fact see the difference. We all know Sanders won't get everything he wants, but he will start the process fighting for it, not capitulating ground on the basis of so-called "realism/pragmatism". "Pragmatism" is and has been a one way street -- to the right for the past 40+ years.
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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 03:42 PM

13. We are talking tens of trillions of dollars to pay for what you admit is unattainable.

 

Just to start the process. And that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is what you described as "enough people do in fact see the difference". Sadly, the outcome of this will not likely be what you expect, but the opposite of what you expect. If enough people see the difference between goals and promises, Trump will remain in power and will consolidate it, and the first victims will be the people who can't tell the difference between the two.
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 04:22 PM

14. We disagree. Personally, I think Sanders is our

 

best bet. The twain just wonít meet.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:23 PM

9. The "awesome benefits" of M4A

 

Is indeed the shit end of farm animal
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:25 PM

10. LOL!

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:36 PM

12. LOVE this!

 

Exactly.

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