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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:04 AM Apr 2019

Here's how Elizabeth Warren is trying to outmaneuver Bernie Sanders


By Liz Goodwin GLOBE STAFF APRIL 05, 2019

NEW YORK — Senator Elizabeth Warren lobbed another policy grenade into the Democratic primary Friday, announcing she supports drastically changing the Senate by eliminating its legendary filibuster to give her party a better chance of implementing its ambitious agenda.

The move puts her campaign rivals on the spot to explain how they would pass their own ambitious legislative priorities if the Senate keeps its rule in place requiring a 60-vote supermajority to advance most bills.

Warren’s announcement allows her to swerve to the left of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont in a meaningful way at a time when she’s straggling far behind him in early polls and grass-roots fund-raising.

Sanders, who popularized proposals like free college and Medicare for All among Democrats during his 2016 run for president, has been reluctant to support scrapping the filibuster. That raises questions about how he would be able to pass his sweeping proposals into law should he become president, given Democrats are extremely unlikely to have 60 seats in the Senate.

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Here's how Elizabeth Warren is trying to outmaneuver Bernie Sanders (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2019 OP
She is right about abolishing the Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #1
The House doesn't have the filibuster. That's a Senate procedure only. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #22
I was talking about Elizabeth Warren. She is in the senate. I don't Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23
I misunderstood your post, thought you were referring to the House. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #29
No need to apologize. I merely wanted to clarify. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #31
She has a lot of great ideas Andy823 Apr 2019 #2
we need to balance the human experience in our leadership. mopinko Apr 2019 #4
She has always outmaneuvered Sanders. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #3
What did Elizabeth Warren accomplish since Eric J in MN Apr 2019 #5
Well, in 2017 alone: George II Apr 2019 #9
Great information! mcar Apr 2019 #15
What did sanders accomplish? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #10
Bernie Sanders helped pass a bill Eric J in MN Apr 2019 #11
The idea behind that bill and the author is Senator Chris Murphy. He began pushing for it... George II Apr 2019 #12
Along with all the Democratic Senators and 16 Republicans. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #16
That was this year and even Republicans voted for it. How about a simple Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #25
Getting Republicans to vote for it was part of the accomplishment. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2019 #33
OK ...then. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #34
Sanders did not give his to support previous Democratic bills Hortensis Apr 2019 #35
Give me a link to a Yemen bill he should have supported. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2019 #36
Please list Sen.Sander's accomplishments in Congress. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #24
How does one form a well-informed opinion, if you don't know the candidates? stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #27
Indeed. Skidmore Apr 2019 #8
Good gawd.. Cha Apr 2019 #14
Wow. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #17
LOL!! peggysue2 Apr 2019 #20
+1 happybird Apr 2019 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #6
Kick nt Andy823 Apr 2019 #7
I wouldn't say she's trying to outmaneuvering Sanders, she's just doing her job as a US Senator. George II Apr 2019 #13
She is doing a good job at doing all her jobs! FM123 Apr 2019 #26
Both have good ideas Exotiki Apr 2019 #18
She's doing seven minute abs! betsuni Apr 2019 #19
That's nice for her. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #21
Leaders Like Senator Warren are Our Future dlk Apr 2019 #28
I wonder how the Bush Administration would have gone without the filibuster. hughee99 Apr 2019 #32
 

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
1. She is right about abolishing the
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:13 AM
Apr 2019

filibuster. THE GOP will do it in a heartbeat if they get the house.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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22. The House doesn't have the filibuster. That's a Senate procedure only.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 01:58 AM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

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23. I was talking about Elizabeth Warren. She is in the senate. I don't
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 09:42 AM
Apr 2019

understand your reply. In order to pass any policy the filibuster must go...I do understand how Congress works.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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29. I misunderstood your post, thought you were referring to the House.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 11:02 AM
Apr 2019

It was late, sorry.

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Demsrule86

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31. No need to apologize. I merely wanted to clarify.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019
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Andy823

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2. She has a lot of great ideas
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:19 AM
Apr 2019

Just like the other women running, and they aren't shy about letting their views be known. I think we have a great selection of well qualified women this election, and I can't wait to hear the debates this summer.

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mopinko

(70,025 posts)
4. we need to balance the human experience in our leadership.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:28 AM
Apr 2019

imho, the general difference is that women look to the future, and man look to the now. at any rate, we look at the world differently.
that liz is looking at how she is gonna get shit done reinforces this.

we will continue to fail at core shit till we balance the scales. this matters to me.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
3. She has always outmaneuvered Sanders.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:19 AM
Apr 2019

Just look at actual accomplishments in the Senate. It’s not even a contest.

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Eric J in MN

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5. What did Elizabeth Warren accomplish since
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:54 AM
Apr 2019

...she became a US Senator?

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George II

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9. Well, in 2017 alone:
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 12:47 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Sat Apr 6, 2019, 01:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Warren introduced 39 bills (20th among all Senators) and co-sponsored 351 bills (12th among 99 Senators), 6 bills out of committee (39th among 99 Senators)

On the other hand, the Senator to whom she's being compared, Sanders, introduced 18 bills (72nd among 99 Senators) and co-sponsored 164 (43rd among all Senators), 0 bills out of committee (3-way tie for 97th among 99 Senators)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2017/senate/bills-reported

The numbers for 2018:

Warren:

80 introduced (8th among 99 Senators), 646 co-sponsored (2nd among 99 Senators), 13 out of committee (3-way tie for 36th among 99 Senators)

Sanders:

31 introduced (69th among 99 Senators), 316 co-sponsored (37th among 99 Senators), 1 bill out of committee (99th of 99 Senators)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2018/senate/bills-reported

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mcar

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15. Great information!
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 06:52 PM
Apr 2019

Thanks.

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Demsrule86

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10. What did sanders accomplish?
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 01:28 PM
Apr 2019
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Eric J in MN

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11. Bernie Sanders helped pass a bill
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 01:44 PM
Apr 2019

...for the US to stop supporting the Saudi War on Yemen.

The next step is for Trump to sign or veto it.

Even in the latter case, Trump would be making himself more clearly responsible for the crisis.

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George II

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12. The idea behind that bill and the author is Senator Chris Murphy. He began pushing for it...
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:10 PM
Apr 2019

...about two years ago.

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ehrnst

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16. Along with all the Democratic Senators and 16 Republicans. (nt)
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 08:18 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

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25. That was this year and even Republicans voted for it. How about a simple
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019

list of say his senate accomlishments...maybe I missed something.

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Eric J in MN

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33. Getting Republicans to vote for it was part of the accomplishment. NT
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:23 PM
Apr 2019

NT

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Hortensis

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35. Sanders did not give his to support previous Democratic bills
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 05:45 AM
Apr 2019

to the same purpose. I read that Democratic senators were very angry, though not surprised at his behavior.

The Republicans cooperated with Sanders as a way of promoting him and helping him establish some fake foreign policy credentials for his next presidential run. Sanders is not on any foreign relations committees. I didn't find any in the past, either, though I haven't looked all the way back.

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Eric J in MN

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36. Give me a link to a Yemen bill he should have supported. NT
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:27 PM
Apr 2019

NT

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Demsrule86

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24. Please list Sen.Sander's accomplishments in Congress.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 09:44 AM
Apr 2019

Thanks.

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stonecutter357

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27. How does one form a well-informed opinion, if you don't know the candidates?
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019
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Skidmore

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8. Indeed.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

Like this time when she again thought on her feet and acted. She doesn't need to harangue but moves forward. Isn't that progressive?

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/student-loans

Student Loans
Friday, May 17, 2013
With student loan rates set to double on July 1 to 6.8 percent, Sanders on Friday endorsed legislation by Sen. Elizabeth Warren to set student loan interest rates at the same 0.75 percent level that the Federal Reserve offers to big banks. “A great idea,” Sen. Bernie Sanders said of Warren’s bill. “The only thing wrong with this bill is that Elizabeth thought of it and I didn’t,” Sanders said Friday on The Thom Hartmann Program. A Congressional Budget Office report on Tuesday projected that the student loan program administered by the U.S. Department of Education would yield a record $51 billion profit off student borrowers.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/20/student-loan-rates-elizabeth-warren-editorials-debates/2443589/

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peggysue2

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20. LOL!!
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:23 PM
Apr 2019

Well, you have to give Sanders a high-five for being honest in the moment.

Truth is Elizabeth Warren runs circles around the Senator from Vermont. Warren is a pragmatic progressive--not simply making the grand pronouncement but actually providing a realistic roadmap to get from point A to point B. She's highly intelligent, policy detailed and frankly, I do not know why she isn't doing better in the early polls.

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George II

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13. I wouldn't say she's trying to outmaneuvering Sanders, she's just doing her job as a US Senator.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

She's doing her job AND campaigning. More should be like her.

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FM123

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26. She is doing a good job at doing all her jobs!
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019
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Exotiki

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18. Both have good ideas
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:15 PM
Apr 2019

I like them both.

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betsuni

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19. She's doing seven minute abs!
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:22 PM
Apr 2019
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dlk

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28. Leaders Like Senator Warren are Our Future
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019

I think she has the best and most well-thought out policies of any of the candidates, thus far, as well as the best nuts and bolts understanding of the economy, and financial issues. A fair and well- functioning economy is the foundation for just about everything else in the Democratic platform.

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hughee99

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32. I wonder how the Bush Administration would have gone without the filibuster.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

If I recall, the republicans had control of the House and Senate for much of that time.

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