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Autumn

(45,056 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:30 PM Feb 2020

US politics After Bernie Sanders' landslide Nevada win, it's time for Democrats to unite behind him

No other Democrats can beat him at this point. Sill, the liberal establishment is still struggling to come to terms with Sanders’ inevitable nomination

Nathan Robinson

It was a landslide. Bernie Sanders had been expected to win the Nevada caucuses, but not like this. With just 4% of the vote in, news organizations called the race for Sanders, since his margin of victory was so large. Sanders has now won the popular vote in all of the first three states, and is currently leading in the polls almost everywhere else in the country. He was already the favorite to take the nomination before the Nevada contest, with Democratic party insiders worrying he was “unstoppable.” His campaign will only grow more powerful now.

Importantly, Sanders’ Nevada victory definitively disproved one of the most enduring myths about his campaign: that it could attract left-leaning young white people, but was incapable of drawing in a diverse coalition. In fact, voters of color were a primary source of Sanders’ strength in Nevada; he received the majority of Latino votes. Entrance polls showed Sanders winning “men and women, whites and Latinos, voters 17-29, 30-44 and 45-65, those with college degrees and those without, liberal Democrats (by a lot) and moderate/conservatives (narrowly), union and non-union households.” The poisonous concept of the white “Bernie Bro” as the “typical” Sanders supporter should be dead.

The other candidates and their supporters did their best to spin a humiliating defeat. Amy Klobuchar said her sixth-place finish “exceeded expectations”—if sixth place is better than you expected, you’re probably not a viable candidate. Biden vowed, implausibly (and for the third time) that he would bounce back. Pete Buttigieg took to the stage to denounce Sanders, who he said “believes in an inflexible, ideological revolution that leaves out most Democrats, not to mention most Americans.” A Warren supporter rather charmingly said that while Sanders had won, Warren had the “momentum,” and the Warren campaign itself said the Nevada “debate” mattered more than the Nevada “result.”

Let’s be clear: the other candidates were crushed, and Nevada was yet more evidence that there is no longer much serious opposition to Sanders. Michael Bloomberg fizzled completely in his big debut, and Democrats would be out of their minds to enrage every Sanders supporter by nominating a Republican billionaire. Joe Biden has lost badly in all of the first three contests, and it’s very clear that he can’t run an effective campaign. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign has nearly gone broke and in desperation she has resorted to relying on the Super PACs that she previously shunned. Pete Buttigieg can’t win voters of color or young people (and has accurately been described as sounding like “a neural network trained on West Wing episodes”). As Matthews says: it’s over. Bernie is dominating the fundraising, dominating the polls, and winning every primary. I am not sure Jacobin is right that “it’s Bernie’s party now”—for one thing, virtually the entire Congressional Democratic party is still opposed to Bernie. But it’s certainly Bernie’s nomination. There is simply no other credible candidate.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/23/after-bernie-sanders-landslide-nevada-win-its-time-for-democrats-to-unite-behind-him?fbclid=IwAR115c8GpUr8rt1cfkH0caQOohhblOR2c_KfeGmK7_bip-ZuWzpzwgEehIk
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US politics After Bernie Sanders' landslide Nevada win, it's time for Democrats to unite behind him (Original Post) Autumn Feb 2020 OP
Unstoppable - knockin' at the door of 1,991 delegates. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #1
Perhaps, but I thought it was an interesting perspective from The Guardian. Autumn Feb 2020 #7
I vote in JUNE. I think I will let this play out a little more. GemDigger Feb 2020 #2
I'm with ya. I vote on April 2 and that's the day I'll finally be a Decided. abqtommy Feb 2020 #43
No thanks, not yet. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #3
"I think sometimes this room might intimidate people into not wanting to come vote." musette_sf Feb 2020 #4
No it is not...only three primaries...and I have hope we can nominate someone who can beat Trump Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #5
Even worse - one primary PAMod Feb 2020 #30
That is a very good point. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #33
Very true. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #47
This writer is a huge Bernie supporter. He's written of being afraid Warren will be another Obama! pnwmom Feb 2020 #6
Many journalists and pundits support other candidates and still write and talk about others. Autumn Feb 2020 #11
The context of the article you posted is that the writer has a strong Bernie bias. pnwmom Feb 2020 #17
And no one should take the MSNBC sunday pundits serious yet they do have quite the following. Autumn Feb 2020 #18
You slam a whole network with the opinion of one pundit. I didn't do that. I addressed the SINGLE pnwmom Feb 2020 #35
Not just one pundit was mentioned in that anti Bernie piece. But you are slamming just ONE writer. Autumn Feb 2020 #37
I'm saying the single writer whose article you posted in your OP is strongly pro-Bernie pnwmom Feb 2020 #39
I'm saying ALL the pundits in the article I posted in my response to you are all anti Bernie. Autumn Feb 2020 #41
So what? Claiming that there are other pundits who are biased doesn't remove the bias pnwmom Feb 2020 #44
So what? I never said it did. You claim one writer is biased towards Sanders and I pointed out Autumn Feb 2020 #45
There are plenty of non-opinion pieces to post. You chose to post an opinion piece pnwmom Feb 2020 #46
Opinion writers have opinions Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #40
Funny... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #8
So do I. Autumn Feb 2020 #9
Here's the thing... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #12
No more so than pundits who suggest that the Dems sit out this election if Bernie wins instead of a Autumn Feb 2020 #16
Am I defending them? I am not. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #32
You might not be. But others are. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #42
It's almost like there is one standard for Sanders, and another for all other candidates. ehrnst Feb 2020 #24
#bendtheknee Codeine Feb 2020 #10
Nice... SidDithers Feb 2020 #22
If you don't mind, I'll wait to see more primary results before I make that decision. Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #13
With 47 more states to go PatSeg Feb 2020 #14
Nope Skidmore Feb 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Feb 2020 #19
So, candidates who are not leading in pledged delegates should drop out and get behind ehrnst Feb 2020 #20
Isn't it funny how things change? Squinch Feb 2020 #26
Yes, isn't it tho... ehrnst Feb 2020 #27
Coronate him now!!!...nt SidDithers Feb 2020 #21
Yes!!! Everyone else who is behind needs to just drop out before Super Tuesday... ehrnst Feb 2020 #23
You can't be serious. Other that that, this OP isn't worth responding to. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #25
I thought this was The Onion. PAMod Feb 2020 #28
I'm not convinced Biden can win SC AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #29
If he wins or does better than expected, it will be operation chaos voters. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #34
Well your candidate is finished politically if he doesn't drop out...no one likes a spoiler. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #36
No thanks... Moderateguy Feb 2020 #31
It ain't over till it's over CanonRay Feb 2020 #38
 

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
1. Unstoppable - knockin' at the door of 1,991 delegates.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020

A tsunami of epic proportions.



Isn't this a bit premature?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(45,056 posts)
7. Perhaps, but I thought it was an interesting perspective from The Guardian.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:50 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
2. I vote in JUNE. I think I will let this play out a little more.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
43. I'm with ya. I vote on April 2 and that's the day I'll finally be a Decided.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasTowelie

(112,121 posts)
3. No thanks, not yet. nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
4. "I think sometimes this room might intimidate people into not wanting to come vote."
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
5. No it is not...only three primaries...and I have hope we can nominate someone who can beat Trump
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

still.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PAMod

(906 posts)
30. Even worse - one primary
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:57 PM
Feb 2020

And two caucuses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
33. That is a very good point.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
6. This writer is a huge Bernie supporter. He's written of being afraid Warren will be another Obama!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

For example, this September hit piece on Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/09/the-prospect-of-an-elizabeth-warren-nomination-should-be-very-worrying

THE PROSPECT OF AN ELIZABETH WARREN NOMINATION SHOULD BE VERY WORRYING

. . . .. Personally, I feel that the difference between Sanders and Warren is gigantic, and that it could have substantial consequences for the future of the world.

. . . . For the last few months, I’ve felt very uneasy about Warren’s candidacy, but not quite sure how best to express what was giving me the feeling. I worried that I was just biased by my attraction to Bernie. But I think I know what I’m fearing. I fear this is going to be Obama all over again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
11. Many journalists and pundits support other candidates and still write and talk about others.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:16 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
17. The context of the article you posted is that the writer has a strong Bernie bias.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:30 PM
Feb 2020

And anyone who reads it shouldn't take his opinions seriously.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
18. And no one should take the MSNBC sunday pundits serious yet they do have quite the following.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:36 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cable-news-hosts-pundits-freak-001500808.html

MSNBC host Chris Matthews on Saturday compared Sanders' win in Nevada to Nazi Germany gaining control of France during World War II. Matthews described the Vermont lawmaker's expected win — and step towards the party's nomination — as something of a catastrophe for the Democratic Party.

Matthews even argued moderate Democrats may rather see President Donald Trump win a second term than vote for Sanders.

"Do they want Bernie Sanders to take over the Democratic Party in perpetuity?" Matthews asked his panel in Las Vegas. "Maybe they'd rather wait four years and put in the Democrat that they like."


I didn't even bother with Mary Matalin's husband's quotes. Talk about Bias.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
35. You slam a whole network with the opinion of one pundit. I didn't do that. I addressed the SINGLE
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:18 PM
Feb 2020

writer who wrote the strongly pro-Bernie piece you posted.

And I wouldn't post anything Chris Matthews said as if it was a unbiased piece about Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
37. Not just one pundit was mentioned in that anti Bernie piece. But you are slamming just ONE writer.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:20 PM
Feb 2020
If you had read the article you would know it talked about more than ONE
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
39. I'm saying the single writer whose article you posted in your OP is strongly pro-Bernie
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

and his opinions on the advisability for everyone else to drop out of the race now are the product of his pro-Bernie bias.

Everyone else can do the simple math required to tell there are still 48 contests left.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
41. I'm saying ALL the pundits in the article I posted in my response to you are all anti Bernie.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:42 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
44. So what? Claiming that there are other pundits who are biased doesn't remove the bias
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020

of the writer you quoted in your OP.

I agree. Some pundits are biased. The one you posted is in that category.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
45. So what? I never said it did. You claim one writer is biased towards Sanders and I pointed out
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:08 PM
Feb 2020

many pundits who write Opinion pieces and are on TV are anti Bernie. I didn't say anything would remove bias, his or theirs. If we are just supposed to post unbiased pieces, there won't be anything to post.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
46. There are plenty of non-opinion pieces to post. You chose to post an opinion piece
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:16 PM
Feb 2020

without acknowledging that it was by a Bernie supporter.

I identified the writer so no one would be misled by it, not knowing about his bias.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
40. Opinion writers have opinions
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:33 PM
Feb 2020

Do you think any of them are unbiased people? They get paid to express their opinions. That's what they do.

For further details, this writer is also the editor of Current Affairs and recently had a book with a major publisher called Why You Should Be a Socialist.

None of this is a secret. Disagree with his opinion, fine. But to do it on the premise that opinion writers should be unbiased? That's ludicrous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
8. Funny...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:12 PM
Feb 2020

I don’t remember Sanders supporter lining up to support Hillary after her nomination was inevitable.

I hate hypocrites.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
12. Here's the thing...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:17 PM
Feb 2020

I have posted in another thread that I hope the party unites behind him quickly if he becomes “inventible” because I am NOT a hypocrite.

Assholes like that writer are hypocrites.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
16. No more so than pundits who suggest that the Dems sit out this election if Bernie wins instead of a
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:29 PM
Feb 2020

moderate. Asshole like that are hypocrites but they do have a following here.

MSNBC host Chris Matthews on Saturday compared Sanders' win in Nevada to Nazi Germany gaining control of France during World War II. Matthews described the Vermont lawmaker's expected win — and step towards the party's nomination — as something of a catastrophe for the Democratic Party.

Matthews even argued moderate Democrats may rather see President Donald Trump win a second term than vote for Sanders.

"Do they want Bernie Sanders to take over the Democratic Party in perpetuity?" Matthews asked his panel in Las Vegas. "Maybe they'd rather wait four years and put in the Democrat that they like."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cable-news-hosts-pundits-freak-001500808.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
32. Am I defending them? I am not. NT
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:11 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
42. You might not be. But others are. nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. It's almost like there is one standard for Sanders, and another for all other candidates.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
13. If you don't mind, I'll wait to see more primary results before I make that decision.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:19 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
14. With 47 more states to go
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think so. Meanwhile, Bernie is finally being vetted in a way he wasn't in 2016. I think we have a long way to go before we declare a nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
15. Nope
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

let's let everyone vote and count the votes. There are 47 states and an array of territories which deserve to cast votes and be counted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Autumn (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. So, candidates who are not leading in pledged delegates should drop out and get behind
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

the one who is - even before Super Tuesday?

The irony of this is breathtaking.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
26. Isn't it funny how things change?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. Yes, isn't it tho...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. Coronate him now!!!...nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:43 PM
Feb 2020

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Yes!!! Everyone else who is behind needs to just drop out before Super Tuesday...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:44 PM
Feb 2020

Oh.... the irony....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. You can't be serious. Other that that, this OP isn't worth responding to. nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PAMod

(906 posts)
28. I thought this was The Onion.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

Sen Sanders has won one primary, with 26% of the vote. Let’s not get crazy, folks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
29. I'm not convinced Biden can win SC
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:55 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie has been rising in the polls there rapidly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
34. If he wins or does better than expected, it will be operation chaos voters.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:17 PM
Feb 2020

If Operation chaos ruins Biden's chances ...hello Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
36. Well your candidate is finished politically if he doesn't drop out...no one likes a spoiler.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:19 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
31. No thanks...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:57 PM
Feb 2020

I will until he reaches the magic number to secure the nomination

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
38. It ain't over till it's over
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:20 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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