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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:50 AM Feb 2020

Members Of Nevada's Largest Union Defied Their Leadership To Support Bernie Sanders

Some of the rank-and-file members of the Culinary Workers Union backed Sanders in the caucus, despite the union leaders’ opposition to Medicare for All.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/bernie-sanders-nevada-caucus-culinary-union?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeedpol&ref=bffbbuzzfeedpol&fbclid=IwAR0T-SUf6LJ2Fb4yUI7kSf96S4nXy84SoWVwb2PvZINSvScUj4FHbpxUKLc

LAS VEGAS — Despite the leadership of Nevada’s largest union criticizing Bernie Sanders over his health care plan in the lead-up to the state's presidential caucus, the majority of union members caucusing at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas strip backed Sanders on Saturday.

Some workers who spoke to BuzzFeed News said they support Sanders’ Medicare for All proposal, even though they appreciate the union health care they have, because they have friends and relatives who don’t have union health care and worry about what would happen if they lost their jobs.

Health care is “the number one issue,” said Monica Smith, a Culinary Workers member since 1987 and an in-room dining server at the Bellagio, who caucused for Sanders.

“We have so many people that have walked that picket line, blood sweat and tears, for us. We’re going to be here to protect it, but I worry about other people that aren’t protected by unions. How do they get healthcare. What's the dollar amount that they have to go through, do they have to worry about not being able to go to a hospital?”

The results of the caucus, which was the only caucus site open to press on Saturday on Las Vegas’ hotel- and casino-lined strip specifically for workers, saw Sanders walk away with 76 supporters, followed by Joe Biden with 45 supporters, out of a total 123 caucusgoers.



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Members Of Nevada's Largest Union Defied Their Leadership To Support Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Autumn Feb 2020 OP
Good News. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #1
Solidarity Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #2
I loved that part. This is America. We should care about each other. Autumn Feb 2020 #3
I watched the Bellagio event on a live stream ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #5
+ agree. It's unfortunate that a lot of trumpians only care about themselves. nt iluvtennis Feb 2020 #37
It's not just trumpians that care about only themselves, and you are right on that. It's very Autumn Feb 2020 #39
Except that they didn't. The Culinary Union is 60,000 strong. 76 voted for Sanders. Next? George II Feb 2020 #4
The story is there were Latinos with the union health insurance who are still Autumn Feb 2020 #6
I'm just going on the facts in the article YOU provided. Now you're saying something beyond... George II Feb 2020 #10
George. No one made the claim the whole union voted for him. I don't have to prove shit. Autumn Feb 2020 #14
Ahemmm, let's not resort to petty bickering please and before you cstanleytech Feb 2020 #29
That's not what the title of your post implies. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #30
You should have read one more sentence of the headline. Autumn Feb 2020 #32
Then you would think that the 79,974 workers that you think followed the unions advice bahrbearian Feb 2020 #8
As a matter of fact, the union didn't give any advice. That's why they didn't endorse anyone... George II Feb 2020 #12
Let me correct you on your " only 76 voted for Sanders" George. You like to require facts Autumn Feb 2020 #17
Well then, I'm sure since you have a sweeping subject line you can do what you asked me... George II Feb 2020 #20
Sure George. That's the easiest thing I will do today. Here's what I claimed Autumn Feb 2020 #23
Well, Autumn, you've only been able to provide "proof" (your word) that only 76 voted for Sanders. George II Feb 2020 #25
One more just for you George. That was exactly my claim, 76 voted for Sanders, in ONE caucus. Autumn Feb 2020 #26
So where did the 59,974 vote go to? bahrbearian Feb 2020 #18
I don't know but as of this morning with 60% of the vote in, only 3523 voted for Sanders STATE WIDE: George II Feb 2020 #24
LOL. Um, no. That's 3523 county convention delegates. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #40
Boom! Autumn Feb 2020 #44
Yeah they did. They texted members yesterday morning to encourage them not to vote for Bernie Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #21
Thanks for posting that. Autumn Feb 2020 #31
The article clearly states though that this was in regards to the cstanleytech Feb 2020 #33
Oh imagine that. They have friends and relatives who don't have healthcare. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #7
I have great healthcare too. My Grandson doesn't. This is what they don't fucking get. Not all of Autumn Feb 2020 #9
I don't know anyone who doesn't have healthcare. And I don't know anyone who doesn't have.... George II Feb 2020 #13
Well isn't that special George. We don't all get to live in your state. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #15
People should be working to elect governors in states who will support the ACA, not.... George II Feb 2020 #27
There is bill for MCfA OneCrazyDiamond Feb 2020 #42
Omg, where do you live? That is truly difficult to believe. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #43
Yes, Many People have Not bought Into McKim Feb 2020 #11
+1000 brutus smith Feb 2020 #28
Defined their leadership how? LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #16
No one said the union endorsed anyone. The union leaders' opposed Medicare for All. Autumn Feb 2020 #19
They texted members yesterday morning to tell people to vote anyone but Bernie Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #22
Good On Them! yaesu Feb 2020 #34
Good! mountain grammy Feb 2020 #35
Because they care about their grandchildren... zentrum Feb 2020 #36
See, this is the fallacy in making the 'you'll lose your employer-supplied PatrickforO Feb 2020 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #41
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
2. Solidarity
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:54 AM
Feb 2020

Is good to see

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
3. I loved that part. This is America. We should care about each other.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:57 AM
Feb 2020
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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
5. I watched the Bellagio event on a live stream
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:16 AM
Feb 2020

It was great!

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iluvtennis

(19,758 posts)
37. + agree. It's unfortunate that a lot of trumpians only care about themselves. nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:04 PM
Feb 2020
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Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
39. It's not just trumpians that care about only themselves, and you are right on that. It's very
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

unfortunate when people say I have my insurance and I won't give it up for something that benefits everyone else.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Except that they didn't. The Culinary Union is 60,000 strong. 76 voted for Sanders. Next?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:08 AM
Feb 2020
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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
6. The story is there were Latinos with the union health insurance who are still
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

good, compassionate enough Americans to worry about those who don't have fucking insurance. 76 at one caucus. Can you prove your claim of thats all that voted for him?

It doesn't matter how many there were at one caucus George. What matters is what they did.

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George II

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10. I'm just going on the facts in the article YOU provided. Now you're saying something beyond...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:29 AM
Feb 2020

...that article. It's incumbent upon YOU to "prove your claim". From your article I've proved mine.

Next?

(BTW, I erred, there are only 60,000 members, I've corrected that)

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
14. George. No one made the claim the whole union voted for him. I don't have to prove shit.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:34 AM
Feb 2020

I posted an article, you posted your opinion. And you have proved nothing.

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cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
29. Ahemmm, let's not resort to petty bickering please and before you
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:19 AM
Feb 2020

ask I am directing that request to you both and no I do not care who started it

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Butterflylady

(3,523 posts)
30. That's not what the title of your post implies.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:20 AM
Feb 2020

I took it that the whole union minus the leadership voted for bs.

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
32. You should have read one more sentence of the headline.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:22 AM
Feb 2020
Some of the rank-and-file members of the Culinary Workers Union backed Sanders in the caucus, despite the union leaders’ opposition to Medicare for All.



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bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
8. Then you would think that the 79,974 workers that you think followed the unions advice
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

would have voted for one or more of the other candidates. Where did their votes go?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. As a matter of fact, the union didn't give any advice. That's why they didn't endorse anyone...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:31 AM
Feb 2020

According to the OP's article, only 76 voted for Sanders.

(and I've corrected myself above, it's 60,000 strong, sorry)

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
17. Let me correct you on your " only 76 voted for Sanders" George. You like to require facts
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:42 AM
Feb 2020

from other people. Here's one little fact. My article in the OP was about 76 people in ONE caucus.


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George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Well then, I'm sure since you have a sweeping subject line you can do what you asked me...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:48 AM
Feb 2020

...to do, "Can you prove your claim"?

Next?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
23. Sure George. That's the easiest thing I will do today. Here's what I claimed
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:55 AM
Feb 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287565696#post17

Here's my OP.

LAS VEGAS — Despite the leadership of Nevada’s largest union criticizing Bernie Sanders over his health care plan in the lead-up to the state's presidential caucus, the majority of union members caucusing at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas strip backed Sanders on Saturday.

Some workers who spoke to BuzzFeed News said they support Sanders’ Medicare for All proposal, even though they appreciate the union health care they have, because they have friends and relatives who don’t have union health care and worry about what would happen if they lost their jobs.

Health care is “the number one issue,” said Monica Smith, a Culinary Workers member since 1987 and an in-room dining server at the Bellagio, who caucused for Sanders.

“We have so many people that have walked that picket line, blood sweat and tears, for us. We’re going to be here to protect it, but I worry about other people that aren’t protected by unions. How do they get healthcare. What's the dollar amount that they have to go through, do they have to worry about not being able to go to a hospital?”

The results of the caucus, which was the only caucus site open to press on Saturday on Las Vegas’ hotel- and casino-lined strip specifically for workers, saw Sanders walk away with 76 supporters, followed by Joe Biden with 45 supporters, out of a total 123 caucusgoers.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287565696

Done.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
25. Well, Autumn, you've only been able to provide "proof" (your word) that only 76 voted for Sanders.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020
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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
26. One more just for you George. That was exactly my claim, 76 voted for Sanders, in ONE caucus.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:12 AM
Feb 2020

It's in the article I posted. You really are missing the mark today. Calm down and breathe.

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bahrbearian

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18. So where did the 59,974 vote go to?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:43 AM
Feb 2020
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George II

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24. I don't know but as of this morning with 60% of the vote in, only 3523 voted for Sanders STATE WIDE:
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:57 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
40. LOL. Um, no. That's 3523 county convention delegates.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020
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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
44. Boom!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:39 PM
Feb 2020

There it is

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
21. Yeah they did. They texted members yesterday morning to encourage them not to vote for Bernie
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:50 AM
Feb 2020

"Culinary Union leadership urged members to vote for anyone other than Sanders because of his “Medicare for all” plan, including in texts this morning."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/22/us/elections/results-nevada-caucus-live-updates.html

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
31. Thanks for posting that.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:20 AM
Feb 2020
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cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
33. The article clearly states though that this was in regards to the
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:26 AM
Feb 2020

members of the Union in two hotels specifically and not all the union members across the state.
Edit: Before you ask no I'm not pro nor am I anti Bernie.
What I am is a anti-Trump person so I'm going to vote for whichever person wins the Democratic nomination end of story.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
7. Oh imagine that. They have friends and relatives who don't have healthcare.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:20 AM
Feb 2020

I have fantastic healthcare. But I know plenty of people who don’t.

I knew I wasn’t the only one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
9. I have great healthcare too. My Grandson doesn't. This is what they don't fucking get. Not all of
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

us are willing to say, "Fuck you, I got mine. You don't? Tough Shit".

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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. I don't know anyone who doesn't have healthcare. And I don't know anyone who doesn't have....
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020

....healthcare INSURANCE, either. But I live in a state where the ACA is alive and working well.

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
15. Well isn't that special George. We don't all get to live in your state. nt
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:36 AM
Feb 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. People should be working to elect governors in states who will support the ACA, not....
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:13 AM
Feb 2020

....campaign for someone who has zero change of getting some undefined program passed.

We have universal healthcare insurance in the US, if people would support and defend it.

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Magoo48

(4,659 posts)
43. Omg, where do you live? That is truly difficult to believe.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Feb 2020
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McKim

(2,412 posts)
11. Yes, Many People have Not bought Into
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:31 AM
Feb 2020

Yes, many people have never bought into the right wing idea of “Screw you, Jack, I’ve got mine!”
I am thankful for every other person who cares about their fellow human beings.

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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
16. Defined their leadership how?
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:41 AM
Feb 2020

The union did not endorse, anyone?

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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
19. No one said the union endorsed anyone. The union leaders' opposed Medicare for All.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:47 AM
Feb 2020

People who have good health insurance through their union voted for people they worry about who don't have health insurance to have MFA.

Please don't hit yourself too hard.

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
22. They texted members yesterday morning to tell people to vote anyone but Bernie
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:52 AM
Feb 2020

See my post 21 above for quote and link

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
34. Good On Them!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:33 AM
Feb 2020

<a href="https://ibb.co/NxHGcN6"><img src="" alt="doing-it" border="0"></a>

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mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
35. Good!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:44 AM
Feb 2020

That employer always has the upper hand in deciding health insurance, union or no union. The only correct answer is universal single payer. Medicare for all.

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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
36. Because they care about their grandchildren...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:50 AM
Feb 2020

.....about their own mother and father, about the little girl next door who their own kids play with.

They defied their Union because they need to be able to move, to switch jobs and still have health care.

Only Medicare for all gives them freedom and real security.

If they believe in collective bargaining at all---surely they understand how all the American people together need to have power against "Management"--or in this case, The Insurance Companies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
38. See, this is the fallacy in making the 'you'll lose your employer-supplied
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:15 PM
Feb 2020

healthcare under a M4A system' argument.

Most people aren't thrilled with the health coverage they have through employers, and most know others who do not have healthcare or pay out the nose on the open market. My ex-wife, for example, for HERSELF ONLY, pays $800 a month with a $5,000 'coinsurance,' plus the regular copays for visits and drugs.

M4A would make her life materially better because when she's sick and worried about getting well, she wouldn't also have to worry about paying, paying, paying. She'd already have paid through her taxes. THAT is how to do it.

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Joe Biden

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