Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTrump tax returns are becoming a HUGE issue. Bernie has also repeatedly promised the release of his
taxes whilst delay, delay, delay.
Bottom line. Bernie has no firm moral standing to speak against Trump's financial entanglements whilst he continues to obfuscate the details of his own.
I want ANY dem nominee we have to be fully transparent in their personal financial dealings. It matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:42 AM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(31,151 posts)cALL ME CRAZY BUT I dont want someone for president who is CLEARLY not who they say they are since hiding them is PROOF OF THAT
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)When I heard him say this ..
"I didn't end up doing it because I didn't win the nomination, if we had won the nomination we would have".
..a few days ago it cemented the need for us to pressure him to show.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denverbill
(11,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)I have no intention of fixing it.
Next time make a comment about the content and then nitpick and I will change it for you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)understanding the post because of the typo?
If you did, my sympathies are with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)May feel that releasing tax returns proves nothing. If so he should come out and say that. Or, he could be hiding something that is embarrassing. Either way, he's not doing anything but creating a damaging narrative for himself by pussyfooting around the issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)is not as disastrous as what is in those tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)in them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)than the damage he's incurring from not releasing them. It is the only logical conclusion. He was asked about his tax returns in 2016, and he stalled as badly as now. There's absolutely no reason to think he wouldn't be asked again to release them this time around, and he hasn't. The only logical conclusion is that there's something in them so damaging that not releasing them is less damaging. If he's running out the clock and releases 2008-2018, the only logical conclusion is that the 2007 tax return is the buried land mine waiting to go off on his campaign. After all, there's absolutely no reason, no reason at all that he couldn't have released 10 years two months ago. If he stalls for two months (really for over three years, but let's not quibble) so that he can include 2018 in the list of ten years of tax returns, it's because he's desperate to keep 2007 hidden. 2007 would include the very damaging kickbacks his wife got for ad buys in the 2006 campaign before they figured out how to hide it through Old Towne Media.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Could it be that he (and Jane) and the campaign director/s have ALREADY made a cynical and calculated decision that there would be less damage from NOT releasing them, compared to the damage of actually releasing them as promised?
Everyone knows that this is a great big "fuck you" to the American voters and to the other candidates. It's the political equivalent of "Pleading-the-Fifth" ... and although that's not legal proof of wrongdoing, it certainly does make people wonder what's being hidden.
People deserve to know if the candidate they're thinking of voting for is honest and that he (or she) is not a "tax-cheat". The voters are entitled to know where a candidate's money comes from, how it's being invested, donated, saved. Is the money in a domestic bank or in some off-shore haven? Is the candidate generously giving to his/her favorite charities? If so, what are they? There's MUCH to be learned about a candidate by looking at his or her full and complete tax returns.
Personally, I think it's hypocritical for ANYONE to be lecturing other politicians about how important things like "honesty" and "transparency" are... and then to completely ignore that standard. Any candidate who does that would be revealing his (or her) hypocrisy.
It's my belief that anyone who doesn't release their full and complete tax returns (for at LEAST ten years prior... no "summaries" and no "corrections" or "re-filing'') should be disqualified and ineligible from appearing in any DNC debates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The media had Hillary's emails, it let Bernie slide. But now Bernie is considered a front runner. If every democrat on the debate stage with him have released years of full returns and Bernie has not, that will not be a good look for him and will become a major issue, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,411 posts)Why would anyone be so needlessly secretive? And BS's,"You want them today, but you won't get them today" answer to Jake Tapper question about the taxes reeks of arrogance and entitlement.
Given the alleged pervasive predatory culture, discrimination, harassment, and sexual violence on his last campaign, it's fair to say that BS has failed the leadership test.
Given his testy, dismissive responses to fair questions about the promises he has made concerning the release of his tax returns, it doesn't look as if BS has the requisite temperament either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,077 posts)said on TDS that he was releasing them April 15th.
So we'll see.. "soon".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)It will be repeated that he did until he doesnt. Then they will all say (admit) he never said April 15th.
Its just a running joke at this point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,077 posts)where the source is now.. it seemed they had the vid in their post so I figured it was true.
I sure as hell didn't watch it.
Thanks!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)(CNN)Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders sidestepped questions Thursday about when he will release his tax returns, with the Vermont independent hinting he could fulfill his six-week old pledge to make public 10 years of tax returns on April 15 -- Tax Day.
Yet, as quickly as Sanders suggested that, he appeared to backtrack and wouldn't commit that he would release them then.
"Do you know what April 15th is? It's Tax Day," Sanders told CNN on Capitol Hill when asked if there was an issue to releasing his taxes.
"So, I think we want to make sure we have all of them together and as I said, they will be released soon."
When asked if that meant he would not necessarily release his tax returns on April 15, Sanders responded, "That's it. Thank you very much."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes/index.html
In an interview with "Daily Show" host Trevor Noah that aired Thursday night, Sanders said much the same thing. Here's the exchange:
Sanders: April 15th is coming. That will be the tenth year and we will make them all public very...
Noah: What's all? Just so people know.
Sanders: Ten years. And by the way, I'm delighted to do that, proud to do that. Hey Mister Trump [looks at camera], you do the same thing.
Which, maybe? It's possible that in 10 days' time, Sanders releases a decade -- or so -- of back tax returns and this issue recedes. But there's reason to be a bit suspicious of Sanders' promises that his tax release is imminent. Back in February, at a CNN town hall with Wolf Blitzer, the Vermont senator said he would release his taxes "sooner than later."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,077 posts)It looks like he put himself on the hook to release them ALL by challenging trump to do "the same thing".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)I just don't expect to ever see either of their tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,077 posts)possibly not want to show the world?
Most pols have no problem showing years of their FULL Tax Returns.. like Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...., April 14. Jane told Mitchell that they would be released, to quote, "when they're due", which was about two weeks from that day.
There's also this, an interview with Mark Halperin. Of course we're still waiting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,531 posts)Any predictions on whether, around the 15th, he will say that he cant release anything until after the extension date?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,077 posts)MrsCoffee just told me he didn't say that.
The post had a vid of TDS in it.. which I didn't watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)start equating the non-release of tax returns.
Bernie will be asked about them wherever he goes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I insist on it if a candidate wants my primary vote. I will not vote in the primary election next year for any candidate who has not released his or her tax returns for multiple year. Nope.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)the exception of Jay Inslee, who released 10+ years already) for not being on top of this and releasing them already. He just made that same point about not being in any position to address Chump's taxes if they're in the same boat.
Played clips of both Pete and Bernie, and at least gave Pete a bit of an "out" since he has yet to officially declare, but said the clock will be ticking on all starting April 15. Said Bernie didn't really have an excuse at all, given that he's an "old pro" at this running for President thing.
Also mentioned that all of the women running had done a great job getting them out there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,322 posts)Different excuses?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nycbos
(6,044 posts)Bernie doesn't want people to know that he is richer than people think.
He is getting some bad advice on this issue. It is a bad look. I have a hunch that most people will not care that he made a bunch of money in book royalties.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,151 posts)they should release their returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided