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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:03 PM Feb 2020

My thoughts (with the Burnie bashing here) i'm for Biden but

Two words that mean the same fucking thing are (RUSSIA and REPUBLICAN) THEY just want to cause us to self destruct!. To me Biden is the best choice BUT Sanders is NO RUSSIAN!! I refuse to believe this!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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My thoughts (with the Burnie bashing here) i'm for Biden but (Original Post) bluestarone Feb 2020 OP
I don't think he wants Russian help. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #1
Maybe so (which i do not doubt) BUT bluestarone Feb 2020 #4
Why did he keep it quiet for a month? The point is Cha Feb 2020 #18
I DO NOT have an answer to that. BUT bluestarone Feb 2020 #19
Didn't Say he Was! Cha Feb 2020 #24
Why would he share classified information? Garrett78 Feb 2020 #23
So we know it was all classified? Or was only some of it classified? Maybe he could of left out UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #27
It was the very first thing he said to the press. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #32
He said I go to many intelligence briefings that we don't reveal to the public nothing about it UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #33
An intelligence briefing involving a foreign adversary? Uh, yeah, that's gonna be classified. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #35
You just said he addressed it being classified and I showed you he didn't. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #36
Like I said, I think it's a given. But make hay if you must. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #38
It's not classified information. lapucelle Feb 2020 #30
+1000 UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #34
Huh? Is your issue that he didn't use the word "classified?" Garrett78 Feb 2020 #37
My issue is that people are spreading misinformation about the nature of the briefing. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #40
Do you really think that WaPo would put classified information on their front page? lapucelle Feb 2020 #41
And he's been allowing them to for a month without saying anything about it. Squinch Feb 2020 #11
I don't think he minds that much, he wants it that bad. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #20
I agree ibegurpard Feb 2020 #2
What bothers me is him sitting on the information for a month. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #3
+1 After 2016, he knows better, or did but saw the opportunity for OnDoutside Feb 2020 #21
I just had someone tell me I shouldn't rehash 2016 in another thread. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #22
+1000 Good point about the ballots I guess that was the point. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #26
He doesn't have to be. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #5
Bernie was probably told it was classified marlakay Feb 2020 #6
Then he needs to hold a press conference and explain why he didn't say anything at the time ibegurpard Feb 2020 #10
IMO, infighting about the Democratic candidates helps no one but Trump. Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #7
Exactly bluestarone Feb 2020 #14
He knew this for a month and did not denounce them... IluvPitties Feb 2020 #8
I don't think anyone here PatSeg Feb 2020 #9
Believe what you want. What is clear-his campaign is an asset to them apcalc Feb 2020 #12
I too agree, but... pfeiffer Feb 2020 #13
Perhaps the Intel was classified so he couldn't talk about it until it was public. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #16
That's not what BS said when he was asked. lapucelle Feb 2020 #39
THEY just want to cause us to self destruct, elleng Feb 2020 #15
Thank you blustarone iwannaknow Feb 2020 #17
I'm pretty sure there is nobody saying this. I would NEVER think Sanders would solicit or do UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #25
Why didnt Sanders denounce outside involvement in US elections when he found out he was being helped uponit7771 Feb 2020 #28
Yes cherryinpa Feb 2020 #29
But the result is the same as if he had solicited their help, isn't it? Squinch Feb 2020 #31
I'm watching myself for misplaced emotional reaction Mersky Feb 2020 #42
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
1. I don't think he wants Russian help.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:04 PM
Feb 2020

But, apparently, they ARE helping him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
4. Maybe so (which i do not doubt) BUT
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

We CANNOT blame Sanders!! Just need to be aware of it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,900 posts)
18. Why did he keep it quiet for a month? The point is
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:16 PM
Feb 2020

the Russians are helping him.. of course he didn't ask for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
19. I DO NOT have an answer to that. BUT
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:21 PM
Feb 2020

I know Sanders is NO RUSSIAN! Russia will continue to do ANYTHING to disrupt our family here! LONG time left until election. I see a hell of a lot WORSE things coming yet! We need EVERY ONES support everyday!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,900 posts)
24. Didn't Say he Was!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:02 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
23. Why would he share classified information?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

Candidates and members of Congress are told a lot of things that the public only finds out about via investigative reporting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
27. So we know it was all classified? Or was only some of it classified? Maybe he could of left out
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 PM
Feb 2020

the classified bits then. And if that was the case when interviewed why didn't he say that? Instead he took shots at the free press.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
33. He said I go to many intelligence briefings that we don't reveal to the public nothing about it
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:37 PM
Feb 2020

being classified.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. An intelligence briefing involving a foreign adversary? Uh, yeah, that's gonna be classified.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
36. You just said he addressed it being classified and I showed you he didn't. nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
38. Like I said, I think it's a given. But make hay if you must.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
30. It's not classified information.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:16 PM
Feb 2020

BS made that clear in his answer to the question.

Sanders told reporters Friday after The Post’s report was published that he received the briefing “about a month ago.” Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, “Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I don’t reveal to the public.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
37. Huh? Is your issue that he didn't use the word "classified?"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020

Do you really think an intelligence briefing (from the FBI or any other Intel agency) about a foreign adversary wouldn't be classified? Really? You don't think that's kind of a given?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
40. My issue is that people are spreading misinformation about the nature of the briefing. N/T
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:47 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
41. Do you really think that WaPo would put classified information on their front page?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

Do you really think that when asked why he kept silent for a month, BS wouldn't simply have said "It was classified"?

Do you really think if this news story revealed classified information that wouldn't itself wouldn't be an even bigger story?

Huh?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
11. And he's been allowing them to for a month without saying anything about it.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:09 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
20. I don't think he minds that much, he wants it that bad.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:23 PM
Feb 2020

The ego is large with this one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
2. I agree
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:06 PM
Feb 2020

But I'm really bothered by this story that he's known about this for a month. He needs to explain why he sat on it. And he needs to do it now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
3. What bothers me is him sitting on the information for a month.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

Ballots have been cast and mailed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,906 posts)
21. +1 After 2016, he knows better, or did but saw the opportunity for
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

Political advantage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
22. I just had someone tell me I shouldn't rehash 2016 in another thread.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:44 PM
Feb 2020

I didn't respond in the way I would have liked to, because rules and civility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
26. +1000 Good point about the ballots I guess that was the point. nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,728 posts)
5. He doesn't have to be.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders wasn’t a Russian in 2016.

That doesn’t mean he knows anyone Russian helping him.

Twitter quit Political ads. Facebook has done nothing. Fux Youz pushes Bernie.
No one is accusing Bernie of being a fux youz puppet.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marlakay

(11,370 posts)
6. Bernie was probably told it was classified
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

But they leaked it now to stop him.

I don’t think Bernie ever expected to be in the big leagues and thats why he isn’t what people want him to be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
10. Then he needs to hold a press conference and explain why he didn't say anything at the time
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020

If it was classified and he couldn't then fine. I can accept that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
7. IMO, infighting about the Democratic candidates helps no one but Trump.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020

Extol the virtues of your choice, but don't trash the others. Argue policy differences, not personalities, and don't demean supporters of other candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
14. Exactly
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Feb 2020

We need to be smarter than the RETHUGS!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
8. He knew this for a month and did not denounce them...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
9. I don't think anyone here
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020

believes Bernie is in cahoots with the Russians, but clearly Russia wants to help him become the Democratic nominee, because they believe Trump can beat him.

It certainly is not Sanders' fault, but it does seem to indicate he would be a weak general election candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apcalc

(4,461 posts)
12. Believe what you want. What is clear-his campaign is an asset to them
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Feb 2020

in their eyes.

They will use him like last time, like they used Jil Stein, all the corporatist bullshit about Hillary, and all those gullible enough to buy into that bullshit etc

And they will again. They wish to create division and anger.

I believe tons of stuff here are instigated by them, (eg yet another poll showing Bernie is ahead!!!) . I believe some of today’s ‘protestations’ are also.

Fool me once , shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

They are masters at propaganda.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pfeiffer

(280 posts)
13. I too agree, but...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Feb 2020

#1 - The visual is not good...he wants to win and Russia is attempting to help him win; #2 - Yikes...he knew for one month but didn't inform anyone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
16. Perhaps the Intel was classified so he couldn't talk about it until it was public.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
39. That's not what BS said when he was asked.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:43 PM
Feb 2020

If this were "classified information" that somehow made its way onto the front page of WaPo, that woud be an even bigger story.

Sanders told reporters Friday after The Post’s report was published that he received the briefing “about a month ago.” Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, “Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I don’t reveal to the public.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

elleng

(130,130 posts)
15. THEY just want to cause us to self destruct,
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:11 PM
Feb 2020

and of course it's WORKING.

We are PITYFUL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
25. I'm pretty sure there is nobody saying this. I would NEVER think Sanders would solicit or do
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:11 PM
Feb 2020

anything wrong like that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
28. Why didnt Sanders denounce outside involvement in US elections when he found out he was being helped
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cherryinpa

(301 posts)
29. Yes
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:15 PM
Feb 2020

I agree with you. This could be some sort of psyops to sow confusion. Bernie may not be our best chance but it’s increasingly looking like he’s going to be our only chance. So let’s make the best of this. The Russians might be trying to divide and conquer within the Democratic Party ranks pitting one against the other.

I really wish Bernie would come out and make a statement on what’s going on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
31. But the result is the same as if he had solicited their help, isn't it?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:19 PM
Feb 2020

They're helping him.

Russians are helping him. Because they want anothwr trump term.

And he sat on that for a month.

And this is the second time they've done that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mersky

(4,969 posts)
42. I'm watching myself for misplaced emotional reaction
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:19 AM
Feb 2020

Have started and stopped trying to post in regards to this all evening. I’ve felt some snap distrust and am collecting my emotions - it’s been a rough day. Righteous anger over tRump summarily firing one acting ODNI director for another (that is ridiculously unqualified) just kept going until the Bernie story hit.

I’m trying to keep focus on how we got to this point: tRump. As Swalwell pointed out on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show, the real question should be, when was tRump first notified and did he use that intel to start preferencing Bernie in his twitter feed, etc. instead of taking measures to protect the integrity of the election?

If Sanders wins the election by whatever means, good or bad, Democrats will hold him accountable if he favors putin one tenth as aggressively as tRump has. Is bonkers that Sanders was briefed on this during the impeachment, and I get how transparency may have been tricky. Am glad we know about it, now, by leak and then confirmation from the candidate. I give Sanders credit for forceful comments aimed at putin. I could have done without his Washington Post jab as he headed for the plane (that really bothers me). I’ll temper my reactions with reading and knowledge.

Too, this isn’t a ‘Democratic establishment’ takedown of Bernie. C’mon, that’s just convenient conjecture.

These are the machinations of the tRump regime as they tear down the whole system for their narrow benefit, and I will not give in to their abusive tactics.

Eta: I don’t know how to figure all this after seeing Bernie’s tweet from earlier this evening. I’m rather pissed off, now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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