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Breaking: A+ Rated marist national poll. Sanders 31. Bloomberg 19. Biden 15 (Original Post) Bumperstickers Feb 2020 OP
Very interesting Polybius Feb 2020 #1
Wow Bloomberg ahead of Biden. honest.abe Feb 2020 #2
I would be shocked if Bloomberg enters a debate Bumperstickers Feb 2020 #3
"If Mike qualifies, he will debate," Bloomberg spokeswoman Galia Slayen told The Hill. honest.abe Feb 2020 #7
He got re-elected in NY twice despite stop and frisk Renew Deal Feb 2020 #8
I think we underestimate the power of money. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #19
Thanks for the tip Renew Deal Feb 2020 #20
In addition to the racism and misogyny, Bloomberg's been bribing people for decades. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #34
Yes - and interesting that his "charitable" donations to political organizations increased 5 times Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #38
Watch the debate tomorrow. MineralMan Feb 2020 #21
Bloomberg is the flavor of the week. progressoid Feb 2020 #4
Bloomberg is knocking Biden and possibly Warren duforsure Feb 2020 #5
And so are Amy and Pete. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #6
I dont see any one candidate to coalesce around. honest.abe Feb 2020 #9
Biden, Amy or Pete. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #10
I wish it were Biden but he is in reverse. honest.abe Feb 2020 #11
Black folks will move to Bloomberg, warts and all. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #14
Looks like quite a few AA's are moving to Sanders based on the cross-tabs. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #16
It looks they may be moving to Sanders, actually. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #18
Joe is in real trouble DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #23
Warren is the choice MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #33
African American cross tab... brooklynite Feb 2020 #12
This is a stunning figure if it in fact is true Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #22
Bloomberg can buy support in the short-term...come November, he'd be doomed. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #35
And among "non-white" voters the numbers are DanTex Feb 2020 #28
And they won't go for Sanders if what I'm reading on apcalc Feb 2020 #30
Biden's collapse is stunning Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #13
Biden was inevitable until he wasn't. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #17
Ignoring his previous attempts was always foolish. I've been saying for more than a year... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #37
This is a new ball game. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #24
Not just a game, a whole new league is forming Baclava Feb 2020 #25
Strong second place for Sanders among AA voters. He only trails Biden by three points. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #26
It doesn't matter, once the we have one moderate which is looking like Bloomberg...the AA vote Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #39
Your evidence is only anecdotal. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #42
He started at nothing and is now tied with Sanders in various state polls and even some national Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #43
If one assumes Warren voters gravitate to Bernie and the rest gravitate to Bloomberg ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #27
Every major poll taken throughout this election Bumperstickers Feb 2020 #31
You're saying every single Biden/Warren answered that way? mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #32
I doubt that is true anymore...after how Sander's campaign has behaved towards both of them... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #40
I was going based on your simplified assumption Bumperstickers Feb 2020 #36
Sanders personally stabbed Warren in the back...with the script and saying she was lying at the Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #41
Wednesday's debate has become massively important flamingdem Feb 2020 #29
It has always been so squirecam Feb 2020 #44
 

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
1. Very interesting
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:35 AM
Feb 2020

31% is huge with all of those candidate still running.

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honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
2. Wow Bloomberg ahead of Biden.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:41 AM
Feb 2020

Remarkable. It will be interesting to see how Bloomberg handles himself in the debate.

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Bumperstickers

(199 posts)
3. I would be shocked if Bloomberg enters a debate
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:54 AM
Feb 2020

Once he's hammered by all the dem candidates for stop and frisk ect... He will drop behind Biden and most of the remaining field. He has not been vetted or slammed by tv ads yet, but we know it's coming.

His best play is to stay off the debate stage as long as possible and hope his huge tv ad budget over powers what ever the others can counter with.

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honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
7. "If Mike qualifies, he will debate," Bloomberg spokeswoman Galia Slayen told The Hill.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:41 AM
Feb 2020
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483292-speculation-swirls-around-whether-bloomberg-will-make-las-vegas-debate

Bloomberg has handled these controversies before. But yes, it could get ugly.
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Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
8. He got re-elected in NY twice despite stop and frisk
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:43 AM
Feb 2020

I think people are overestimating its negative impact

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Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
19. I think we underestimate the power of money.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:46 AM
Feb 2020

There was a fascinating discussion on Democracy Now yesterday by a journalist who has covered Bloomberg for years about the difficulty people have in going against Bloomberg when he has given so many millions to their organizations or campaigns. They talked about the organizations that were for term limits until Bloomberg donated big bucks to them and a few months later when he wanted his third term, changed their objections.

They had a current DNC member who had worked for CEnt for Am Progress and was writing a report on NYPD Surveillance of Muslims and after CAP got money from Mike they had to censor their report.

Both videos are on Democracy Nowks website.

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Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
20. Thanks for the tip
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:36 AM
Feb 2020

And that makes a lot of sense.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. In addition to the racism and misogyny, Bloomberg's been bribing people for decades.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020

A lot of folks don't know yet just how awful Bloomberg is.

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Undecided
 

Nanjeanne

(4,878 posts)
38. Yes - and interesting that his "charitable" donations to political organizations increased 5 times
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:36 PM
Feb 2020

in the last year.

Coincidence . . . I think not.

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Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
21. Watch the debate tomorrow.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg will be onstage. So much for that.

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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
4. Bloomberg is the flavor of the week.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:06 AM
Feb 2020

Moderates have been bouncing around from candidate to candidate hoping that one of them will rise to the top and stay there.

Let's see how he does at the next debate and issues of work place harassment NDAs becomes more widely know.

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Undecided
 

duforsure

(11,882 posts)
5. Bloomberg is knocking Biden and possibly Warren
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:22 AM
Feb 2020

Down to where they'll be getting desperate to hang onto their donors now. Biden and Warren are dropping in the polls , and both need to look at changes or risk losing their bids. I do think Bidden's in trouble now.

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IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
6. And so are Amy and Pete.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:30 AM
Feb 2020

Moderates need to coalesce around one candidate.

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honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
9. I dont see any one candidate to coalesce around.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:44 AM
Feb 2020

I thought Bloomberg might have been it but he really has some serious baggage.

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IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
10. Biden, Amy or Pete.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:47 AM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg seems to have some serious problems.

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honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
11. I wish it were Biden but he is in reverse.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:50 AM
Feb 2020

Amy and Pete are great but they aren't connecting with AA voters. I dont know what the answer is but we need to figure it out soon.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
14. Black folks will move to Bloomberg, warts and all. nt
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:31 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Ace Rothstein

(3,109 posts)
16. Looks like quite a few AA's are moving to Sanders based on the cross-tabs.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:37 AM
Feb 2020
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Turin_C3PO

(13,650 posts)
18. It looks they may be moving to Sanders, actually.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:41 AM
Feb 2020

I’m mad because Bloomberg is costing Biden the nomination and he’s, IMO, our best shot against Trump.

Edit: Whoops, looks like the poster above me said the exact same thing about African American support.

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MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
33. Warren is the choice
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:04 PM
Feb 2020

She should shine in the debate vs Bloomberg. She can unify the party and beat Trump.

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brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
12. African American cross tab...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:03 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
15. This is a stunning figure if it in fact is true
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:36 AM
Feb 2020

It paints a very different picture as the primaries head south this year to what was true in 2016. The African American vote can't be said to solidly line up behind any single candidate, it is divided four ways, with Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg, and "Other" each pulling in a major share.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. Bloomberg can buy support in the short-term...come November, he'd be doomed.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. And among "non-white" voters the numbers are
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:56 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie 34%
Biden 21%
Bloomberg 19%

So, assuming that the majority of the "non-white" category consists of black and latino, that's a very strong latino showing for Bernie.

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apcalc

(4,461 posts)
30. And they won't go for Sanders if what I'm reading on
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020

Social media is true.

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Voltaire2

(12,626 posts)
13. Biden's collapse is stunning
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:28 AM
Feb 2020

if you ignored the history of his prior attempts.

What I can’t ignore is how the self appointed experts who were selling us Biden turned on a dime and rebranded to Bloomberg. All without a hint of embarrassment at how utterly wrong they were.

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Undecided
 

Ace Rothstein

(3,109 posts)
17. Biden was inevitable until he wasn't.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:38 AM
Feb 2020

Or something like that.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
37. Ignoring his previous attempts was always foolish. I've been saying for more than a year...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:16 PM
Feb 2020

...Biden is simply not a good presidential candidate. Never has been. Thanks to Obama, he's doing much better this year than he's ever done before, but that's not saying much.

That said, he's infinitely better than Bloomberg, who is just a terrible, terrible person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
25. Not just a game, a whole new league is forming
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
26. Strong second place for Sanders among AA voters. He only trails Biden by three points.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

That's a recipe for a Sanders upset in South Carolina. If Bernie wins both Nevada and South Carolina he may be unstoppable going into Super Tuesday. And he is leading in the biggest prize of them all, California.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
39. It doesn't matter, once the we have one moderate which is looking like Bloomberg...the AA vote
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

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is already throwing support towards Bloomberg... I listen to sirius and I hear called after caller at the end of the week who said this.

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totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
42. Your evidence is only anecdotal.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:12 PM
Feb 2020

As I already said, it's remarkable that Bernie is so close to Biden in this poll.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
43. He started at nothing and is now tied with Sanders in various state polls and even some national
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:40 PM
Feb 2020

polls...that is not anecdotal...he will surpass Sanders if Biden doesn't win Carolina and do fairly well in Nevada. I will throw my support to Bloomberg he can save the house and campaign for our senate nominees unlike Sanders...already McSally is using Sanders in her campaign ads against our candidate. All other moderates need to drop out and then Sanders is toast. I want a nominee that can win. I would prefer Biden but Bloomberg will do.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. If one assumes Warren voters gravitate to Bernie and the rest gravitate to Bloomberg ...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg ends up winning based on these numbers.

Granted, that's a huge simplification there, but a basic calculation that I'd imagine a lot of people are considering.

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Bumperstickers

(199 posts)
31. Every major poll taken throughout this election
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

That asked the question about second choice had Biden and Warrens second choice being Sanders. So he would have 58 to Bloomberg's 38.. A 20 point lead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
32. You're saying every single Biden/Warren answered that way?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:03 PM
Feb 2020

Cause that would need to be the case for your numbers to work the way you present them.

What about the Biden and Warren voters that had Warren and Biden as #2? There was nobody?

I rather doubt that.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
40. I doubt that is true anymore...after how Sander's campaign has behaved towards both of them...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:01 PM
Feb 2020

I know as a Biden supporter, I would never support Sanders in a primary. I will vote for Bloomberg if I have to. Sanders only in a general.

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Bumperstickers

(199 posts)
36. I was going based on your simplified assumption
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:13 PM
Feb 2020

All voters besides Warren's would go to Bloomberg. No, Biden and Warren's second choice Waa the highest percentage for Sanders, but Pete, Amy and Styer also had some voter's going to Sanders, but at a lower percentage. So to say all moderate dems are all gonna jump to the next moderate dem does not Show up in polls.

If you look at this Marist poll, Sanders gained 9 and Biden lost 9 since the last poll by marist in December.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
41. Sanders personally stabbed Warren in the back...with the script and saying she was lying at the
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

debate so I don't think all Warren supporters will got to Sanders...I see few here that definitely won't. This is a beat Trump election and not about ideology.

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flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
29. Wednesday's debate has become massively important
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

Biden must have an exceptional night. Bloomberg must give answers and connect with voters. Bernie is in good shape and just needs to come off as sane.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
44. It has always been so
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020

Nt

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