Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBloomberg Flunks the Wokeness Test
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/bloomberg-flunks-wokeness-test-it-doesnt-matter/606634/Bottom line:
Bernie is systematically attacking all the candidates that dare to challenge his manifest destiny, Trump not so much.
Other candidates have gone defensive and counterattacking Bernie's people, diverting them from the real focus.. Trump.
Bloomberg is ignoring all this bullshit and unloading in Trump in the very way that Trump needs to be attacked.
I welcome all to stop the attacks on each other, and go after the common and major threat.
Bloomberg 2020
OR
ANY Democratic Party candidate BUT Bernie 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)As for Sanders, I'll vote for him in the fall if he is our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Talitha
(6,613 posts)Me too.
But I'll literally plug my nose while doing it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Everyone else attacks Bloomberg.
Makes no sense to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)His attacks on Trump don't change his history with minorities and women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimfields33
(15,952 posts)Bloomberg should get vetted like the rest. I hope every candidate goes after Bloomberg the entire debate. Why should he get the nomination over every other one whose a million times better then Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)It has nothing to do with "wokeness". It has to do with not being flat out racist. A line has to be drawn somewhere and Bloomberg crosses that line for me. You can turn a blind eye and mock it as "wokeness" all you want. At the end of the day, Bloomberg actively pursued some of the most evil policies against young black men that this country has seen since Jim Crow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Bloomberg has admitted fault and it being wrong.
It's easy to cherry pick things on anyone who has a long established history in American Politics.
Personally I give Biden and Bernie a pass on the Crime bill. Was more than happy to support Biden for a good part of this campaign season.
Stop and Frisk, the 1994 crime bill.. all small potatoes when you compare it to children in fucking cages right now on our border living in almost gulag conditions by some accounts.. some even dying while incarcerated for the horrendous crime of fleeing persecution and extremely inhumane conditions.
So, you can keep flinging attacks on one of our candidates, or join us in focusing on Trump. Choice is yours.
Until the rest of you, and the rest of the field of candidates comes around.. stops the attacks on each other.. and focuses in on attacking Tramp, like Mike Bloomberg is doing.. Bloomberg is the candidate for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Flimsy "What about-ism" will never change that.
And you don't GET to tell me what my choices are.
Act like god damn 21st century Democrats people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)you really should learn the difference between an equivalency and a simple illustration that all candidates have issues that can be cherry picked. But feel free to be comforted in your outrage.
You don't want a "what about-ism" then don't cast stones form a glass house.
If I don't "GET" to lay out choices, you sure as hell don't GET to tell me how to act.
Gooday.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bendim
(26 posts)We just spent 3+ years as individuals and as a party standing up to Trump for his racism and sexism and authoritarianism,
How can we ever be credible again with our arguments if we brush aside Bloombergs history just because he has 60 billion dollars.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Oh, the irony!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)McWhorter characterizes himself as "a cranky liberal Democrat". In support of this description, he states that while he "disagree[s] sustainedly with many of the tenets of the Civil Rights orthodoxy," he also "supports Barack Obama, reviles the War on Drugs, supports gay marriage, never voted for George Bush and writes of Black English as coherent speech". McWhorter additionally notes that the conservative Manhattan Institute, for which he worked, "has always been hospitable to Democrats".[12] McWhorter has criticized left-wing and activist educators in particular, such as Paulo Freire and Jonathan Kozol.[13] He believes that affirmative action should be based on class rather than race.[14] Political theorist Mark Satin identifies McWhorter as a radical centrist thinker.[15]
McWhorter is an atheist.[16]
Sounds like an interesting man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,343 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)McWhorter has some heterodox views but he's decidedly not a right winger.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)McWhorter considers that anti-racism has become as harmful a force in the United States as racism itself.[17][
18] According to him, what is holding blacks back is "black attitudes" rather than white racism.[19]
Your link.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Predictably, leftist black pundits who claim to represent the black view in America won't grasp the import of this moment. Brent Staples of the New York Times informs us that "black Americans' distrust of this administration is running extraordinarily high." Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, histrionically comparing the irregularities in the Florida vote count to the evils of Selma, urge black Americans to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bush administration. Yet these are calls to distrust and resist a golden opportunity for black America.
...
In contrast, what would have happened for blacks if Gore had won? A Gore administration, regarding welfare reform as a necessary evil, would have dragged its feet over every detail. Through court appointments and executive orders, it would have resisted the nation's growing dissatisfaction with affirmative action. Gore might have paid lip service to the rebuilding of inner cities by encouraging white businesses to move into them, but he would have strongly supported the resistance of black victicrats such as New York's Al Sharpton and Charles Rangel to the idea of "whitey moving in on our communities." Gore gave no sign of offering anything as concrete as the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to encourage these communities to rebuild themselves without relying on Starbucks and Burger King.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/why-blacks-should-give-bush-chance-12026.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)https://newrepublic.com/article/82122/frances-fox-piven-jim-sleeper-and-me
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And that Gore would have been much worse. This is a guy who writes National Review columns. He pretends to be a "liberal Democrat" and then spends all his time attacking Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I would draw the line if McWhorter said he was "nauseated by John Kennedy" like one of our nominees.
Where do you draw it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Which he obviously is. You can draw or not draw any lines you want. I just think people should know that the person who wrote this article is a right-winger who thinks that antiracism is a religion and that Bush was the best thing to happen to black America in 35 years and that voter ID laws are pragmatic rather than racist.
You have every right to think this is a person whose opinion should be taken seriously by Democrats. I respectfully disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)For the record the martyred Kennedy brothers, Muhammad Ali, and Dr. King were my heroes when I was a ninth grader at Deltona Junior High and they are still my heroes some forty eight years later. I take the mention that one of them makes one of our candidates "nauseated" personally. YMMV
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)he would support Bloomberg.
This has nothing to do with what anyone said about Kennedy. This OP is about a pro-Bloomberg article written by a conservative. You can start another OP about the Kennedy thing if you want.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Do conservatives routinely support Barack Obama, revile the War on Drugs, support gay marriage, and write of Black English as coherent speech?
I don't attack other Democrats, especially martyred ones. That's why I have a pristine DU record:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=128959
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)and other such outlets about topics like how great George W Bush is and how voter ID laws aren't racist, and then say "but I'm not a conservative" to get the whole "even a liberal like me believes this right-wing stuff" angle.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Without a doubt, Republicans studious interest in state-issued photo ID cards is a sham. Its the elderly and minoritiesbrown ones, to be specificwho are least likely to have such identification, least likely to hear that they need it, and least likely to be able to obtain it quickly upon finding out. Evidence is unanimous that there has been no significant amount of voter fraud due to a lack of falsified ID. The Republicans interest in the whole issue, including ancillary proposals such as those in Florida that would discourage voter registration drives, is based on a cynical ploy to keep the black vote down.
https://newrepublic.com/article/98535/holder-voting-rights-id-sham
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Like I said, I completely understand why a conservative who thinks Republicans pushing voter ID laws "aren't bigots" would support someone like Bloomberg.
Todays Republicans pretending such a concern about voter ID are, by contrast, inspired purely by the prospect of short-term political gain. Ive been acquainted with a couple of conservatives who think of these voter laws as a canny political gain. They arent bigots; its a matter of priority. They instinctively seize political advantage wherever they can get it: In 1990s, they were just as rabidly devoted to overthrowing Bill Clinton. For them, political philosophy and power trumps concern about black peoples feelings or fate. The logic is pretty simple: because blacks vote so overwhelmingly Democratic, suppressing black votes is a handy way to minimizing Democratic electoral gains. A computer would come up with that calculus in microseconds. A computer, after all, has no feelingsand when it comes to Americas racial fabric one might say the same about these Republican operatives.
Here he is making the same argument (and others, like calling antiracism a "religion" ) in the National Review.
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2015/11/19/black-america-and-right/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)or do I have that wrong?
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)operation against Muslims.
What couldnt he do or fail to do as president? Under the guise of fighting crime, getting guns off the streets, protecting us against terrorist attack he can do quite a bit.
He also believes in government spying. He denied civil liberties to Republican convention protestors.
He has told and shown us who he is. Scary nationally. Scary globally. He fully embraced the Neo-Con agenda and George Bush.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Bloomberg 2020
OR
ANY Democratic Party candidate BUT Bernie 2020.
I don't want either of those choices.
I like Warren and Bernie. Because they are correct in thier observations regarding economic justice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tulipsandroses
(5,127 posts)I am. I have seen him flip flop on issues. Even if he is not enacting those policies, what is he willing to do dismantle policies that disenfranchise minorities and the poor? I mean he is newly reformed on these issues since he decided to run for president.
And again, its not just stop and frisk.
I may not agree with all the candidates on some of their issues, but I do not doubt for one second, that they ware willing to work their damndest for working class folks. I trust Biden, Bernie, Warren, Klobuchar, Pete in that regards wholeheartedly. I have no confidence in Bloomberg that he will not govern as he did in NY. Poor and working class folks did not fare well. What makes me think it would be different as president? These are institutional policies that are recent, not in the remote past. I am not so confident he will be a different president than he was mayor. Just cuz he's giving a lot of money and running ads to get under Trump's skin.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Endorsements like just these 3 that I can think of right off out of many who have already chosen to endorse:
My own Mayor, Sylvester Turner of Houston.. whom I was proud to have been an active member of his own recent campaign, and destroyed 2 sets of cheap walking shoes canvassing!
Representative Bobby Rush of IL. Civil rights activist of the 1960's, and co-founder of the IL chapter of the Black Panthers and member of the Congressional Black Caucus.
London Breed, Mayor of San Francisco. First black woman to become mayor of San Francisco. Self made from an impoverished childhood raised in the Western Addition neighborhood of San Fran:
Completely different areas of the country, and backgrounds. Many more endorsements that can be cited as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)protect society we might have to change our laws or our interpretation of the constitution. His
ideas are dangerous. He us able to get support for them because he buys it. He makes offers that even the leaders of the Americans he most harms can not refuse.
He will make deals with our enemies, domestically and abroad. His Neo-Con agenda will take us to
war.
He will change us for the worse while appearing to do good. That is how he operated in NYC. And by the way, his policies failed. So much for leading on crime and counter-terrorism.
Do not think he will stop Republicans, the power behind Trump. He will do what keeps him in power and allows his dangerous ideas to prevail. As he did in NYC, so he will do in the nation.
Cant happen here? Cant happen today? Lesser of two evils? We need him and we can control him?
Where have we seen this movie before?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tulipsandroses
(5,127 posts)He bankrolled republicans to gain control of the senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)[link:https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/14/bloomberg-signals-he-would-run-for-president-if-biden-struggles-against-warren.html|
Bloomberg, the billionaire former mayor of New York, has indicated to associates in recent weeks that Joe Bidens recent struggles against Sen. Elizabeth Warren are making him rethink his decision to stay out of the 2020 Democratic primary.
During his three terms as mayor, Bloomberg was a Republican and an independent. He registered as a Democrat again one month before the partys triumph in the 2018 midterm congressional elections
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Warpy
(111,339 posts)they might very well end up handing Bloomberg the nomination.
Think about that, folks.
The only response to having someone take shots at you is, "Yeah, s/he says a lot of things, but this is what I plan to do if we can pull together and get that Orange Disaster out of power and keep him out forever."
The Orange Disaster, of course, will not get that kind of consideration, nor should he.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)Bloomberg would also help the Dems win the tough Senate races in swing and Red States. In addition, he would be apt to be able to work across the aisle repairing our badly divided county. (I'm not talking about the 30% MAGAt's. There is no help for them)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)But I know several people planning to write his name in.
Getting votes as write-ins gets attention.
He is definitely gaining momentum, and getting under Trumps skin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden