Bernie Sanders to charter private jet to campaign in Iowa during impeachment

[Gothmog]

Link to tweet

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is not letting President Trump’s impeachment trial in the Senate get in the way of his campaigning ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

Sanders, one of the 2020 Democratic front-runners, is chartering at least one private jet for the duration of the trial to take him to and from Iowa without the delays incurred from flying commercial.

Sanders should have more than enough dough to afford the luxurious method of transportation — he raised $34.5 million in the final quarter of 2019 and brought in $96 million over the course of the entire year.

Despite this, his campaign has declined to comment to multiple news outlets, including The Post, about his jet use.

The campaign feels uncomfortable disclosing the Vermont senator’s use of a private jet to the media, mostly due to fears of the optics of a far-left populist being seen using such an exclusive form of travel, people close to Sanders’ team tell the Washington Examiner.

[dem4decades]

1. I thought he was just like me?

[BannonsLiver]

2. Is his dark money group footing the bill?

That’s a lot of $18 contributions.

[Demsrule86]

39. I was wondering that too.

[thesquanderer]

4. Geez, nobody is talking about outlawing chartering private planes.

And if your work requires it, because it's the only way to get where you need to go in the time available, then why not? This reminds me of the dumb attacks from the right on Al Gore, for using private planes after producing An Inconvenient Truth.

[David__77]

10. Yep.

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[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yep. From the same people too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Just when you thought you've heard everything, the Bernie bashing reaches a new low!!

The divisiveness only helps tRumpy The Clown!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[George II]

16. Sanders' work requires him to be in Washington DC as the junior senator from Vermont.

[thesquanderer]

19. Like any member of Congress running for president, he has multiple obligations. (n/t)

[George II]

22. Like any other Senator elected by his constituents, his JOB is in the Senate Chamber in DC.

[thesquanderer]

23. So he shouldn't try to campaign at the same time? Does this apply equally to all Senators?

Will you be taking Warren and Klobuchar to task if they similarly try to find ways to also get to Iowa? I guess maybe you would, since you want Biden anyway, but you always seem to be extra critical of Sanders.

[Demsrule86]

40. Yes and Yes.

[brutus smith]

51. Does it apply to Nancy also?

[Demsrule86]

56. What about Nancy? Bad optics for Sanders and what with Bloombergs

article, the dark money thing ( shocking) and all, maybe he should walk the green walk a bit more. He could video campaign as others will do and/or fly commercially.

[True Blue American]

67. Nancy is visiting the Holacaust Memorial

With a group of Congress people.

[Demsrule86]

76. I don't recall Nancy being a sponsor of the Green New Deal...

And she is the speaker...doubt she can fly commercial with her security risk. But Sanders doesn't need to fly at all. As far as I know Amy and Elizabeth are using video and live appearances to get their message out...what if he is delayed by weather or something else...I consider it irresponsible.

[brutus smith]

80. So he should walk to see potential voters?

All politicians do this. Kinda fits in with the repub narrative about taxes.

[Demsrule86]

82. He doesn't need to see potential voter...he could use video as the person you support

(apparently) is doing...or use media appearances...this trial is a BFD and it sends a message as he runs out to campaign. Also it is winter, what if he is delayed? It is a bad idea and smacks of hypocrisy because he was a sponsor of the Green New Deal. When you talk the talk, your are expected to walk the walk even it if it is not convenient.

[DanTex]

84. Really? So it's OK for Pelosi because she's not as strong on the environment as Sanders and AOC?

This is getting crazy, that being soft on climate change is considered a positive thing.

[lapucelle]

86. Sierra Blanca. F-35. N/T

[DanTex]

88. What's that? You're not seriously arguing that Bernie and Warren don't have the strongest

records on the environment? That's absurd.

[Demsrule86]

95. I don't know about Warren. Finance is her strong suit...but I think she is Green...Sanders on the

other hand tried to dump radioactive waste in a poor area of Texas...arguing it was 'safe' because of the climate in Texas.

"In 1997 and 1998, Sanders did indeed support a measure that gave Congressional approval to an arrangement that would have allowed the states of Maine and Vermont to transport and dispose of nuclear waste at a proposed site in the sparsely populated town of Sierra Blanca in Hudspeth County, close to the Mexican border in West Texas.

As the meme suggests, Sierra Blanca was (and is) a predominantly Latino community. U.S. Census Bureau records show that in 2000, two years after the proposal, 73 percent of the town’s 533 residents identified as Hispanic or Latino, and almost all of those as Mexican. In 2016, some 69 percent of Sierra Blanca’s 557 residents identified as Hispanic or Latino."

"According to a September 1998 article in the Texas Observer, a group of activists opposed to the Sierra Blanca waste site approached Sanders at an anti-nuclear weapons rally in Vermont that year:

Sanders left the stage, which surprised no one in the small Texas delegation. Earlier, he had told them, “My position is unchanged, and you’re not gonna like it.” When they asked if they would visit the site in Sierra Blanca, he said, “Absolutely not. I’m gonna be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.”

Sorry again...the convenience thing...you don't get to dump your states nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic community without having your Perfect Green card revoked. Walk the Walk.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-sierra-blanca-nuclear-waste/

[DanTex]

100. What does a 90s dispute about where to put nuclear waste have to do with the Green New Deal?

The GND, drilling, fracking, Keystone XL, fossil fuel subsidies, clean air and water, across the board he's been stronger on climate and environment than anyone in the field (Steyer maybe, but he doesn't have a record).

There's a reason why Bernie is the candidate of the left, and that's because his views and record are actually to the left of the more centrist candidates. That includes on the environment. It's not surprising that he's been more pro-environment and that his proposals are more aggressive. That can be a good or bad thing -- not all voters are leftists, even in the primary. And there are arguments that can and have been made against his aggressive environmentalism, like fracking for natural gas is a transition source of energy, or his version of GND would cost too much, or whatever.

But trying to argue that he's not as strong on the environment as more centrist pols like Pelosi or Biden just doesn't make sense.

[Demsrule86]

103. It is about dumping nuclear waste on a poor Texas Hispanic area...it is wrong period and certainly

not something an environmentalist should or would be part of...in one of the great ironies...opponents tried to talk to him at an environmental rally in Vermont and were strongly rebuffed...also, there is evidence that Sander profited from this. Jane Sanders served as an alternate commissioner...the term expired in 2019/ We know from the 2014 tax return she still drew a salary in 14 in fact.
So sorry, Sanders supports the environment when it is convenient...and flying off on a private plane to campaign is yet another example of this.

"The Sanders’ have partially released their 2014 tax return and on the return, Jane Sanders is still drawing a salary as an alternate commissioner for the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission. (TLLRWD Commissioner)"




This is an older article but has good info on this.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/16/1516075/-Sanders-are-still-profiting-from-Sierra-Blanca-nuclear-waste-dump-per-their-2014-tax-return

[lapucelle]

128. Anyone who has to ask "what's that" doesn't know the record.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/8/1481494/-Sierra-Blanca-Bernie-Sanders-Paul-Wellstone-a-Poor-Minority-Community-and-a-Nuclear-Waste-Dump

[DanTex]

131. And the relevance is?

I guess you think the nuclear waste should have gone somewhere else in 1998. Umm, OK.

I don't know the details, but it doesn't have anything to do with climate change or why Bernie should be criticized for flying on a private jet but none of the other candidates should be.

[lapucelle]

142. Anyone who admits that they don't know facts and details and who also doesn't grasp the relevance

of the dangerous practice of shipping low level nuclear waste clear across country to a discussion of sound and ethical environmental policy should probably do a little homework on their own.

[Cha]

147. Thank You, lapucelle.. Shine the LIGHT!

A well deserved donut.. lol

[emmaverybo]

176. I don't know how anyone could argue with THIS.

[Demsrule86]

91. No, She is speaker and has to have security and be places for her job...He on the other hand does

not need to leave the Senate trial which is his job and really bad optics-it shows how little importance he gives it- in order to run to Iowa and campaign...He could do as Warren and Klobachar and Bennett are doing...campaign using the Media and video...if you sponsor a Green New Deal (talk the talk), you need to walk the walk even if it is inconvenient.

[DanTex]

92. Then why bring up the Green New Deal?

[Demsrule86]

105. He was a sponsor and talked the talk...now let him walk the walk.

[DanTex]

110. Oh, I get it. It's better to be soft on the environment and fly chartered planes than

it is to be strong on the environment and fly chartered planes. Perfectly logical. And I guess by that logic, Trump comes out on the very top, since he flies on private planes and doesn't even believe global warming is real.

[Demsrule86]

93. Oh and Pelosi is a strong environmental advocate and the difference between her and Sanders is she

has actually sponsored laws that passed the House and Senate.

[DanTex]

94. She is, but not as strong as Sanders and AOC.

[Demsrule86]

104. She is stronger...she actually passes legislation in the House and the Senate.

[DanTex]

108. She's the speaker of the house, so obviously she has more power.

By that measure, Obama would be the strongest Democrat on every single issue, and before him it would be Bill Clinton. But that's a measure of power, not a measure of commitment or strength on issues or policy.

If you look at positions that pols have taken, voting records, and so on, the Bernie is going to be to the left of people like Biden and Pelosi, which includes being "stronger" on the environment in the sense of advocating for policies that would protect the environment more.

[Demsrule86]

112. She passed legislation before she was the speaker...what has he actually accomplished?

[DanTex]

118. She sponsored environmental legislation that passed? I didn't know that.

Both Bernie and Pelosi have accomplished a lot. Sponsoring bills that pass is only a small part of the equation, for both. Pelosi is a more effective politician in the conventional sense of wheeling and dealing in Congress, counting votes, and so on. That's part of why she was able to rise to be speaker. But Bernie's stances and positions he's advocated are clearly more pro-environment than Pelosi. That's just a fact.

[Demsrule86]

119. Pelosi didn't seek to dump nuclear waste on a poor Texas communty...her husband wansn't

and alternate commissioner in Texas either..drawing a salary until at least 2014. Did you know Trump is trying to revive this?

[DanTex]

120. So does that mean she didn't sponsor environmental legislation that passed?

Again, what does a 90s dispute about the location of a nuclear waste site have to do with comparing the environmental records of Pelosi and Sanders? Nothing is what.

And, yes, I'm sure Trump is trying to dig up dirt on Democratic candidates. Not sure what the relevance of that is to the environment question either. Are you just tossing up every negative thing about Bernie you can think of?

[Demsrule86]

122. It shows...that Sanders environmental issues when it is convenient for him to do so...and

you know what that means... for the supposed champion of the little guy to try to send dangerous nuclear waste to a poor Texas community while his wife sat on the board and drew a paycheck is just plain wrong. This is not disputed. As for Nancy she is consistent...

Pelosi has supported the development of new technologies to reduce U.S. dependence upon foreign oil and remediate the adverse environmental effects of burning fossil fuels.[142] Pelosi has widely supported conservation programs and energy research appropriations. She has also voted to remove an amendment that would allow for oil and gas exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.[143][144]

Pelosi has blocked efforts to revive offshore oil drilling in protected areas, reasoning that offshore drilling could lead to an increase in dependence on fossil fuels.[145]

Also,without her support there would have been no Green deal pass the House.

[DanTex]

130. Come on. Sanders has been the most consistent on the environment of all the candidates.

It's obvious, not really even controversial. The very fact that you have to go back to some dispute over where to put nuclear waste in the 90s shows this. That's not even an environment issue per se -- the waste is going somewhere, it's just a question of where. It's not like you could find an example of him waffling on fossil fuel subsidies or fracking or whatever.

Not saying Pelosi is bad, just Bernie is better, in the sense of pushing harder for more aggressive action. E.g., the plan in his platform is the boldest of any candidate.

[Demsrule86]

133. That is your opinion...but Trump is trying to revive the Nuclear thing so it could still happen...I

will never vote for Sanders in a primary because of the this and other issues...so you have your opinion and I have mine.

[DanTex]

134. Trump is also trying to bring up the Hunter Biden Ukraine thing.

Which, like the nuclear waste thing (or the Bernie flying a chartered jet thing) is totally irrelevant. But I'm sure some people will never vote for Biden because of that. People have their opinions.

I would prefer to leave the stupid attacks against Dem candidates to Trump the GOP, but I guess people have different opinions on that also.

[Demsrule86]

138. The difference is Sandersw was involved in the nuclear waste dumping on a brown community and his

wife was too-she received a paycheck at least until 2014...Hunter had no involvement in what Trump is being impeached for...none.

[DanTex]

140. It's the same level of nonsense.

They will both pretty much have the same effect as any other empty smears. You're strongly pro-Biden and anti-Bernie, so obviously the Bernie thing looks like an outrage and the Biden thing looks like nothing. But to non-partisan observers, it's the same sauce.

Basically, they put this nuclear waste in this one place instead of some other place. Umm, OK.
Or, conversely, Hunter Biden was on some board in Ukraine. Umm, OK.

[Demsrule86]

152. It is completely not nonsense...Bernie wanted to and voted to send nuclear waste to a small

Hispanic community in Texas...his wife sat on the board and received a paycheck at least until 14. This is a fact...historical fact. Hunter Biden didn't do anything nor did Joe Biden. They are completely innocent...Trump wanted stuff made up about Joe or perhaps to just announce an investigation...completely different.

[DanTex]

153. It is total nonsense and only people who already hate Bernie see it the way you see it.

To a rational person, there was some dispute over where nuclear waste should go, which is not surprising. Nobody rational could possibly think that Bernie specifically chose to target Hispanics because of racism. Nobody rational could possibly think this was some scheme to enrich his wife.

Just like nobody rational thinks that Biden tried to get that prosecutor removed in order to enrich his son.

They're actually remarkably similar. Some vague hint of corruption because a family member is on a board of something. In both cases, people with irrational hatreds of one candidate or the other will read their hatred into everything.

[Demsrule86]

159. It is not vague...it is in the tax return posted on Daily KOS. Mrs. Sanders was on the board and

paid until 14...Sander was for it...the waste being removed was from Vermont in fact...so you don't want to believe it. Wellstone was against it..he was a good man...facts are stubborn things.

[DanTex]

161. Yes, and Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma and getting paid for it. Who cares?

I'm not doubting that she was on the board and getting paid for it. I'm also not doubting that nuclear waste was being removed from Vermont. Yeah, those are facts. I'm doubting that anyone who doesn't already hate Bernie could possibly care about this.

Serious, anyone who thinks this was big scheme where Bernie manipulated the state legislatures of both Vermont and Texas in order to funnel a few thousand dollars to his wife needs to have their head examined. I mean, at least Hunter Biden was making 50K a month!

[DanTex]

162. LOL. I did some googling. Guess who voted for the compact. Joe Biden!!!!!

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00255

Uh oh, what happens now? I mean, this is apparently the worst thing Bernie has ever done, and Biden was on his side. Does this smear die? Does the space-time continuum rupture?

[Demsrule86]

163. many of them voted for it...but it was Sander's baby as hit affected Vermont...and was Jill biden

getting a paycheck? Did you see the other names...and they shouldn't have done so. I think you miss the point..it was a bad idea in all ways and no one should have voted for it but the point is Sanders got a payday...do you think that is right?

How about a link for the vote...it was not included in Biden's votes on the congressional record...already I saw a Slate article today that had one of Biden's votes wrong. I would appreciate it.

[DanTex]

164. In the future, before throwing out smears, you should check that your guy didn't vote the same.

I don't know if was a bad vote or not, it seems like a total triviality and it's over 20 years ago. But since Biden and Bernie voted exactly the same way, it doesn't matter in terms of comparing their environmental records. Because, you know, they both voted for the same thing. I guess I should also point out, since this whole thread started with a smear against Bernie for flying in a private jet, that Biden and the rest of the candidates also fly in private jets. So that one's out too.

As far as the $5000 "payday", that is truly a joke. Ya think maybe Bernie and Biden decided to split the moolah and then Biden paid him back with half the Burisma money? Would have worked out pretty well for Bernie, since the Burisma money was 100 times bigger. Come on, now, this is nuts. If this is the best anti-Bernie smear you can find, then it's gonna be smooth sailing.

Here's the vote.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00255

[emmaverybo]

178. Oh, no. Not back to the "hater" thing. Too dramatic. Some folks really dislike Bernie, true, usually

for the kind of gap between what he espouses and how he acts that we see in the matter under discussion. However, he is no more hated than any other candidate. Most of us who perceive his candidacy in a negative light do not harbor passionate enough feelings about him to describe them as “hate.”

[DanTex]

184. "Hater" is more concise than "really disliker".

And more accurate.

[emmaverybo]

185. It's the language of his candidacy, which represents an attitude I find divisive. I don't know how

much Bernie himself subscribes to the idea that he is beset by enemies who hate him, but I see that supporters I encounter here, anyway, seem to feel he must defend against “haters” in his own party, more so than other candidates’ supporters.

Is he actually more hated? He’s a strong personality and as such may inspire strong disagreement.

[UniteFightBack]

144. The difference is she's not being a hypocrite. nt

[Cha]

149. You're Wrong, dantex.. Nancy is every bit as Strong

on the Environment as those two.

Why you push that?

[DanTex]

154. For example, she doesn't support the Green New Deal.

I'm not saying she's horrible. She's not. She's good on the environment. But just because she's good doesn't mean other people aren't better.

[Cha]

157. Nancy Supports Environmental Polices that

can be Enacted.. REALITY!

We wouldn't even have #45IMPEACHED without Nancy Pelosi who led the House to Victory in the Blue Wave Midterms.

BS said he didn't see that HAPPENING. I'll take Nancy Pelosi over that any day anytime.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) thinks there is reason to doubt the predicted "blue wave" in next month'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211306674

It was Nancy Pelosi's Leadership who strongly helped get us the Blue Wave House Victory.. not BS.

Nancy's a Uniter.

[DanTex]

158. That's all fine.

But the environmental policies Bernie supports are better than the environmental policies that Pelosi supports.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that Bernie is better at predicting Blue Waves than Pelosi.

[Cha]

160. Nancy's a UNITER.. and Stronger!

[emmaverybo]

179. GND is a moot point. It has zero chances of being enacted as is. Pelosi supports sound do-able

policy. GND is comprised of an improbable wish list.

[ehrnst]

166. Is Speaker Pelosi campaigning for POTUS as "THE environmental candidate?" (nt)

[TheFarseer]

85. Biden has campaigned for president as a sitting Senator

This round he’s unemployed but I wonder if all these people were up his ass in 1988 and 2008.

[Demsrule86]

106. Certainly, He didn't leave a Senate impeachment trial to run off and campaign.

[The Valley Below]

114. Let's talk about the respective histories of being unemployed, shall we?

[emmaverybo]

180. Was there a threat to democracy in the White House under impeachment then?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. They know that, but it's BERNIE, so he's subjected to standards that don't apply to other candidates

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[emmaverybo]

181. Poor beleaguered baby. Don't make a guy out to lead a revolution sound so sensitive to

criticism. He’s a tough old bird. Most on DU admire his tenacity. Many agree with his ideas. Until
quite recently, he wasn’t even properly vetted or challenged as have been Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg.

[thesquanderer]

58. And even if you believe that Sanders has no "work requirement" that should take him out of DC...

...that doesn't mean that he should be prohibited from chartering a plane to get him where he wants to be, in his time available to be tyhere, Nobody pushing for the green new deal is suggesting that such activities be prohibited. This is silly.

[Demsrule86]

78. Actually...lots of Green deal folks have had much to say on that subject.

[secondwind]

55. Bingo!

We really need to stop this nonsense.....

[Wawannabe]

121. It ain't working class transpo

In case ya didn’t know.

So many reasons this man isn’t working class. He has been riding the back of the poor taxpaying citizens for far too long.

Working class my ass!

[thesquanderer]

123. Of course he's not working class. He doesn't claim to be. Senators make $174k, + his book sales,

making him a millionaire. But he DOES claim to be from a working class background, and he DOES claim to have policies designed to help the working class.

[Wawannabe]

126. Claims

Your words.

He can’t know working class cuz as an adult he hasn’t been working class. So what if he was as a kid. Like he could remember that well enough ...and working class when he was a kid isn’t knowing working class today.

Claim on bro. Don’t trust you as far as I can throw a private jet.

[thesquanderer]

129. He became mayor of Burlington VT at about the age of 40.

I don't think it is necessarily unreasonable to consider to him to have been working class at least up to that point, not just as a kid. Maybe it's a matter of how you define it... he does not appear to have had high paying jobs, but they weren't manual labor, either.

Regardless, yes, people remember and are influenced by what it was like growing up in their family... if it was working class, you know what it's like to have grown up in a working class family.

[Scotch-Irish]

127. I'm with you. I think it's the smart thing to do.

I'm so sick of the anti-Bernie posts.

[abqtommy]

5. I don't have any druthers about Bernie flying around, I just hope he stays safe.

[R B Garr]

6. I wonder if this one has that fancy menu like his

urgent flight to see the Pope, which wasn’t really so urgent, it turned out.

[Gothmog]

175. I am also wondering about this

[TiberiusB]

7. A rather weak criticism

Is he flying because there is no other viable option given his schedule?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/bernie-sanderss-private-plane-rides-dont-matter.html

[Autumn]

8. Good. The man takes his Senate duty seriously, I hope that Liz will hire a private jet too. The

Republicans wanted them to miss either campaigning or the impeachment trial.

[George II]

17. "The man takes his Senate duty seriously"? The man missed more than 190 consecutive votes....

...from late June 2019 through early January 2020. That's SIX months of NOT doing his "Senate duty".

If I missed a single week without being deathly ill I would have been fired.

[Autumn]

62. .

[George II]

66. I don't think it's funny, I think it's sad. That's about $87,000 paid out for no work.

[Autumn]

68. You're wasting your time on me George.

[George II]

69. Just pointing out that the person you said took his Senate duty seriously didn't do it for 6 months.

[Autumn]

70. You ought to spend your time pointing out what sleazy Republicans are doing. nt

[George II]

71. I do, but unfortunately I feel compelled to spend some of my time correcting the lies...

...that Sirota and his clique put out almost hourly.

[Autumn]

72. .

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. That's a reasonable response that would apply to ANY candidate, which tells you it must be ridiculed

when it involves Bernie... no slack must be given when it comes to Bernie, no matter how devisive!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[samnsara]

53. no thats not it..

[Demsrule86]

57. She won't. But if she did I bet she would let the other candidates come with her.

Warren is a team player.

[mcar]

9. That's the spirit, Bernie

Stick to your principles!

[MichMan]

11. We all need to reduce our carbon footprint if we are serious about climate change

Not expect it to be the responsibility of everyone else.

[Blue_true]

33. I wondered why he can't speak to his rallies via a television link.

I think Warren and Klobuchar should do TV links to drive home the contrast. Generally, regular commercial flights can get a person to a place in a few hours and back in a few hours, so Senator Sanders is not saving much time, IMO.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. Does he even interact with his supporters?

I thought half the time he just gives his usual stump speech from a stage and then heads home. Kinda reminds me of someone else, now that I think about it...

Can he not simply give the same stump speech from Washington via video conference? I'm sure his supporters won't care one iota, they are in for a penny, in for a pound at this point...

Is this really the best use of poor people scrounging up a few bucks to donate to his campaign?

[The Valley Below]

26. If they can do a Maria Callas hologram tour

why not BS? It's the same script very time (more or less).

[George II]

73. You're right - at most of his rallies he has warm-up speakers, he goes on stage and speaks...

....for about 15 minutes, they he's whisked away to the nether reaches of the venue.

[TheBlackAdder]

13. At first I was like What? Then I realized there are almost no commercial flights in Iowa.

.

Getting to it is a royal pain in the ass and there are limited flights to anywhere.

.

[brooklynite]

15. Why not offer to fly Warren out as well?

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Cost savings for both campaigns

Reduce their carbon footprints

Chance to catch up on the last debate.

[Gothmog]

18. Has those two talked since the debate?

[bloom]

89. Warren and Klobuchar, and Biden too, for that matter.

That's what I was thinking.

[brooklynite]

90. Biden is already there...

He has no obligations in Washington.

[George II]

20. That's quite a carbon footprint. What happened to the "green new deal" and us having only 11 years?

[TheFarseer]

97. The green new deal

Does not ban air travel, plastic straws or hamburgers. Have you been watching Fox News?

[George II]

98. Doesn't BAN air travel, but calls for a huge reduction in fossil fuel use...

...know where jet fuel comes from?

[whistler162]

21. And of course as a magnanimous person

he will offer rides to his fellow Senator/Candidates.<YEAH RIGHT>

[Demsrule86]

59. Not a team player.

[Gothmog]

170. So true

sanders is not a team player

[NCProgressive]

24. Gone are the days of boasting the economy class

and the picture waiting at the gate.


hahaha

[boomer_wv]

25. Socialism is good for YOU

....but I'm gonna keep flying on this private jet, thanks!

[Blue_true]

35. Actually, that is exactly how it has worked historically in socialist systems.

The higher-ups get luxury and the common folks wait in long lines to buy paltry amounts of food every few days.

[boomer_wv]

44. That's

pretty much what I was hitting at.

Socialists are typically pretty big on everyone else giving up their stuff....but they plan on keeping theirs.

[Demsrule86]

60. And the higher-ups own muiltiple houses, while the common folk live in

crappy substandard housing.

[Blue_true]

141. Yep. Remember the Russian Dachas on the coast for the higher ups? nt

[Demsrule86]

148. I do remember ...saw a documentary on this.

[totodeinhere]

38. What is the conflict between socialism and private jets?

I don't get the conflict so perhaps you can enlighten me. Are socialists not allowed to fly on private jets legally paid for with campaign funds?

[boomer_wv]

43. well, yeah, that's exactly right.

A central tenet and ultimate goal of socialism is the elimination of private property. So, there would be no such thing as a private jet. The jet would be on the tarmac and anyone who wants it could use it. Unfortunately, due to the tragedy of the commons, the jet would likely be in such disrepair that it wouldn't be able to fly. That, or more likely those in power, like Bernie, would using it exclusively while we took the bus.

[totodeinhere]

45. Of course Bernie calls himself a democratic socialist, but he does not advocate

the elimination of private property.

[Blue_true]

46. Then why does he say that billionaires should not exist?

If a person comes up with a mind-blowing idea, that person likely will make lots of money if he or she manages the public disclosure and delivery of products if that idea right. What is such a person supposed to do, put intellectual capital and resources into developing an idea, then give it away so as to not to become a billionaire? The concept that billionaires should not exist is inherently foolish, more emphasis should be placed on HOW a person became a billionaire, some people get there through fair dealing and hard work, many through loopholes, lying and cheating, so we develop means of dealing with the second while expecting the first to pay his or her fair share of taxes to keep society running.

[totodeinhere]

47. That's too different things. You can disagree with his comments on billionaires.

That's fine. But his stance on billionaires has nothing to do with eliminating private property. Bernie is a property owner himself.

[Blue_true]

143. No, it is not two different ideas.

The amount of valuable property that people own, whether it be businesses, or patents that trace to intellectual discoveries relate directly to how wealthy those people become. So, my point is that it is impossible to not have billionaires and one day in the future, a trillionaire or two.

Why a trillionaire? Anyone that comes up with a full cycle clean energy technology, or figures out how to efficiently remove populting gases from effluent streams going into the air, is going to become very, very rich. The reason why the person or people did what they did may not be wealth (and that would likely be one of the least driving forces), but their intellectual property is going to be very valuable, like gold and diamonds combined on steroids.

[Demsrule86]

61. He has advocated that in the past.

[totodeinhere]

96. Link please? n/t

[Demsrule86]

111. He did...

"Bernie Sanders advocated for the nationalization of most major industries, including energy companies, factories, and banks, when he was a leading member of a self-described "radical political party" in the 1970s, a CNN KFile review of his record reveals."

"During his 1974 Senate run, Sanders said one plan to expand government included making it illegal to gain more wealth than person could spend in a lifetime and have a 100% tax on incomes above this level. (Sanders defined this as $1 million dollars annually)."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationalization/index.html

[totodeinhere]

116. That's quite a stretch to go back 50 years. Joe Biden has a long record too.

Should I go back 50 years to see what I can get on Biden? Bernie is not advocating confiscating property or assets but he does support making the rich pay their fair share. This tactic of going back years looking for a gotcha moment is not helpful and it smacks of desperation.

[Demsrule86]

124. You said prove it..I did. You said I was wrong and I wasn't...and it will be brought up by Trump

and the evil GOP should Sanders win the nomination. I didn't go looking for this...I know Sander's history...you asked for it...hardly smacks of desperation on my part...And the Sanders campaign has gone back as far against Biden as well...

[totodeinhere]

136. I didn't say you were wrong. i just asked for a link so I could read about since I was not

familiar with that case.

[Demsrule86]

139. Sorry...misunderstood...personally I could care a less. It was a long time ago.

[Demsrule86]

79. And of course he should keep his what two or is it three houses?

[Kurt V.]

27. You're hurting democrats. i hope you reflect on this

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Reflect on this?! Okay, that was funny!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

41. And sanders telling outright lies and the hiring of liars and stein voters is helping the party?

I have been working really hard with a large number of real Democrats to turn Texas blue. We have made a great deal of progress and if Biden is the nominee, Texas will be a battleground state. After the 2010 election, there was 101 republicans in the Texas house compared to 49 Democrats. We flipped 12 state house seats in 2018 and now need just nine more seats to control the Texas house and control redistricting. Texas is scheduled to pick up 3 additional congressional seats and so that it is very important to win control of the Texas state house.

Right now, I am helping on a special election race where Joe Biden endorsed Eliz Markowitz who is a great Democrat.

Link to tweet

I voted for Eliz yesterday and I saw Beto out greeting the crowd and taking pictures. Beto has been amazing for this race

Link to tweet

As Beto noted, if Texas is blue, no republican will be able to win the Electoral Collage.

In 2018, we flipped two congressional seats (Lizzie Fletcher and Colin Allred) and the DCCC has targeted 6 or 7 additional seats to flip (DCCC just added TX CD2 to the list). I have donated to several of the races and will be working voter protection for my part of the state. Two of the candidates in CD 2 and CD 22 are friends who I am working to elect.

Having a weak candidate like sanders on the top of the ticket would kill down ballot races. If sanders is the nominee, we can forget about flipping control of the Texas House and Lizzie and Colin are in danger.

sanders has shown extremely poor judgement in going negative on Warren and Biden and in hiring persons like Sirota and some stein voters. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump.

I am very aware of what is going on. I just want to beat trump and do not want to see Lizzie and Colin voted out of office due to a very bad candidate who has very poor judgment. I have reflected long and hard what is good for our nation and my state. You may be comfortable with supporting a weak candidate who would kill down ballot candidates. I am not.

[Demsrule86]

63. Kind of too bad he didn't offer Warren a ride.

[Cha]

145. NO he's NOT.. I hope you take your own

advice.

[Kurt V.]

146. what i mean to say cha, it's possible that sanders could be the nominee. I'm warren all the way.

but we should not exclude it out of hand. Therefore he's hurting dems.

[Cha]

150. So could Biden.

[Kurt V.]

151. yep

[Gothmog]

171. Biden is far more likely to be the nominee

[dalton99a]

32. Revolutionaries have no time to waste

Good for him.

[Blue_true]

36. Imagine if Joan d' Arc had a private get to get away from her fate? nt

[Demsrule86]

74. Indeed...the little people must understand that such men live by a different set of rules...

Sanders can fly back and forth a dozen times if he chooses or more...the trial is unimportant when you consider the Sanders presidential campaign...er I mean revolution...the environment well us little people can make do with less so Sanders has what he needs and deserves in order to wage his fabulous revolution...

[NYMinute]

34. New $23 trillion dollar program coming up

Free charter service to people who buy coach

[totodeinhere]

37. Is there something wrong with that? Bernie has a lot of small donors who are footing the bill for

his campaign. Getting back and forth between DC and Iowa is a legitimate campaign expense. It's not as if he is being shuttled around on a billionaire's private jet. He is paying for the jet with campaign funds.

[Demsrule86]

75. Apparently, he also has unnamed Dark Money Pac donors or so I read right here...I wonder

how much of last quarter's 'haul' consisted of this money?

[totodeinhere]

99. I wouldn't necessarily believe everything I read at this website, especially if it's not properly

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sourced. If you can link to that information I would be interested in seeing exactly what was said and what the poster has to back it up.

[Demsrule86]

107. A complaint has been filed by Common Dreams with the FEC...he has apparently a foreign dark money

pac related to our revolution ....that is all I know...not just something that was posted here.

[totodeinhere]

115. I think you are have your facts wrong. The complaint you may be referring to was filed by

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Common Cause against a Sanders affiliated group, not against the Sanders campaign or against Bernie personally. This sort of things is very common and it's usually settled as a civil matter.

[Demsrule86]

117. It is our revolution founded by him and Jane...it is a violation and it is not civil. It is

against the law. Time will tell. The Washington Post has the story also.

https://apnews.com/cd7a58676b6fc8cbe2f9783f469d0bee

[totodeinhere]

135. The FEC has the option to treat it as a ciivl matter.

When the FEC filed a campaign finance complaint against the Hillary Clinton campaign on October 25, 2017 they treated it as a civil matter and the campaign eventually paid a fine. That is usually how these matters are litigated. Many campaigns and groups that support campaigns run afoul of campaign finance laws at one time or another. It's not such a big deal.

[Demsrule86]

137. Why would they and no matter what it is a potentially illegal matter...you think this is OK?

I don't. You know who else does this? And Sanders also rails against this sort of thing.

[Gothmog]

172. Without a quorum, the FEC is powerless

[Recursion]

42. Meh. This one doesn't bug me

I get that chartered jets are a symbol, but this is pretty much exactly the use case where they make sense.

[democrattotheend]

177. Agreed

I'm not supporting Bernie this time, but this is a stupid argument.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

48. Excellent!

K and R!

[Tipperary]

49. He's been sleeping during the impeachment hearings.

He might as well skip them.

Another thread has a pic of him sleeping.

[LanternWaste]

50. A real man of the people.

[samnsara]

52. holy moley thats $$$

[brutus smith]

54. And Joe doesn't?

Joe Biden burned through campaign funds at a fast clip over the past three months, ending the final quarter in 2019 with less than $9 million — after his team shelled out over $924,000 on private jets.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/joe-bidens-campaign-blew-924k-on-private-jets/

[treestar]

65. I thought joe was a centrist

Or even conservative.

[brutus smith]

81. And?

[treestar]

132. such a one would be expected to use private jets

as a corporatist with ties to the oligarchy. So it wouldn't be inconsistent behavior.

[Blues Heron]

64. "luxurious method of transportation "

lol lol lol

[stonecutter357]

77. wow at the things millionaires and billionaires get to do !

[katmondoo]

83. I thought he was doing great in the polls.

[The Mouth]

87. It's really , really stupid

that Senators and Representatives can't just vote remotely.

I detest even the concept of 'private jet', NO ONE needs one. I'd be happy requiring ALL public servants to always fly coach.

[sammythecat]

101. Uh, I really don't think I give a fuck

[Fiendish Thingy]

102. I believe he said he would offer seats to Warren and Klobuchar as well

Said it on Colbert last week.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

109. Bernie is a mensch like that.

[Demsrule86]

113. Sure...let's see if he meant it.

I don't know if Amy or Liz would leave and important trial to run off on the campaign trail when they could find other ways to campaign in Washington...by media or video.

[ehrnst]

168. Maybe he's chartered the same one that he took his family and reporters to Rome on?

That was pretty roomy. And the food was really good.

If I was Amy or Liz, I'd take the opportunity, especially since Sanders' campaign donors, are picking up the tab, and not theirs.

[Devil Child]

155. OMG!!! Disqualifying!!!!

These threads are always fun to read.

[Quixote1818]

156. Don't know why I even clicked on this thread after passing it over 50 times.

Who cares?

[emmaverybo]

182. From the look of it, quite a number of folks, but no one is trying to force you to.

[ehrnst]

165. Coach is just so noisy, isn't it? Even first class. And the impeachment trial is exhausting.

[betsuni]

167. ...

[Dietz]

169. Why not invite Warren, Klobuchar, and Bennett to come along?

It would be a really collegial gesture if Sanders invited his other fellow senators to come along with him in his jet.

[musicman65]

173. A perhaps

a last attempt to keep the body alive ??

[Gothmog]

174. Bernie Leads 2020 Field in Private Jet Spending - Washington Free Beacon

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

187. sanders does not look well in this picture

Link to tweet

?s=20