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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:06 PM Jan 2020

Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders group

WASHINGTON (AP) — The watchdog group Common Cause filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday, alleging that Our Revolution, a political nonprofit organization founded by Bernie Sanders, violated campaign finance law by accepting donations in excess of federal limits while boosting his White House ambitions.

Our Revolution has denied any wrongdoing. A spokesman declined to comment. Sanders’ campaign also did not respond to a request for comment.

The campaign finance act says groups established by federal officeholders or candidates cannot raise money for federal electoral activity that exceeds the limitations of the law. Those contributions are currently set at $2,800 for candidates and $5,000 for political action committees.

“Because Sanders set up Our Revolution and they have raised and spent money in candidate elections, Our Revolution is required to comply with contribution limits, register with the FEC and discloses its donors — but it hasn’t,” said Paul S. Ryan, an attorney for Common Cause. “It’s his establishment of the group that triggers these laws. That means a $5,000 limit, full donor disclosure and no contributions from prohibited sources.”


The complaint comes after The Associated Press reported earlier this month about the donations.

https://apnews.com/cd7a58676b6fc8cbe2f9783f469d0bee
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Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders group (Original Post) ehrnst Jan 2020 OP
This makes me smile Gothmog Jan 2020 #1
Common Cause is a sharp, progressive group that truly fights for the people and Democracy ehrnst Jan 2020 #3
Expose campaign violations squirecam Jan 2020 #22
As was pointed out earlier today by aoc... "some people campaign as if there was no internet." Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #29
It's about time. Skidmore Jan 2020 #2
If sunlight is the best disinfectant, one doesn't have to worry about it shining in ehrnst Jan 2020 #5
K&R! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #4
Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders group Gothmog Jan 2020 #6
The Sanders campaign trumpeted those 4th quarter numbers to show that he was out-raising LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jan 2020 #20
Friends of Bernie Sanders, Inc, and the recipient of the $, Bernie2020, share the same office.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #21
WOW! So he's got a "foreign nonprofit" (incorporated in California) based in Vermont.... George II Jan 2020 #32
The California part I understand - the main office applies for all the state chapter incorporations. ehrnst Jan 2020 #36
Nobody believes that Bernie is corrupt but this investigation is not a good look... Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #7
I'm not nobody MH1 Jan 2020 #12
This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #30
But I thought Bernie's money was small and pure. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #8
Ohhh you don't say BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #9
I'm not sure how any reasonable person could read the applicable tax and campaign finance laws The Valley Below Jan 2020 #10
Don't worry. The gaslighting will commence shortly. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #11
How would clearly illegal activities be justified? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #13
I'm not sure BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #14
I will stay tuned to see how this gets spun. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #15
I don't envy anyone answering phones in Common Cause offices... ehrnst Jan 2020 #38
I know what you are saying. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #39
Justification often comes in the form of denial. ehrnst Jan 2020 #24
What's to deny? The numbers are in black and white and the law (and law-breaking) The Valley Below Jan 2020 #25
I'm talking about those who will find a justification, no matter how non-existent ehrnst Jan 2020 #26
I see what you are saying. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #27
Thanks for posting this...K&R Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #35
Great to see hypocrisy exposed! R B Garr Jan 2020 #17
sanders funneled 8 million dollars illegally from his secret PAC/Super Pac "Friends Of Bernie Sander Gothmog Jan 2020 #18
Like bean farts BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #19
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #23
Shine the Light! Cha Jan 2020 #28
Kick BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #31
About time NCProgressive Jan 2020 #33
What about the Sanders Institute and Friends of Bernie Sanders? NYMinute Jan 2020 #34
That didn't turn out to be anything illegal. ehrnst Jan 2020 #37
sanders is getting support from even more dark money Gothmog Jan 2020 #40
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
3. Common Cause is a sharp, progressive group that truly fights for the people and Democracy
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020
Common Cause is a nonpartisan organization and we work to hold power accountable regardless of party affiliation or policy positions. It is critically important that the soft money ban be enforced, or outside groups founded by candidates will become a commonplace means to evade contribution limits and disclosure requirements.”

In 2018, Common Cause filed a complaint against America First Policies and America First Action, outside groups founded by President Trump’s campaign after the 2016 election, alleging violation of the same soft money ban that Our Revolution appears to have violated. That complaint is still pending.


https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

I don't envy them the blowback and accusations of being "corporate shills" or accusations that they 'a puppet of Charles Koch/The GOP/The Clintons" or "in the the pocket of big pharma," etc, like other non-partisan groups that turn a neutral spotlight on Senator Sanders's words, policies or actions. The left-leaning Urban Institute was attacked by Sander's staff and supporters for doing an analysis of his 2016 MFA proposal, and found that it would be more expensive and more disruptive to the health care system than he stated it would.
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squirecam

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22. Expose campaign violations
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jan 2020

No matter who it is. Bright light it.

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Thekaspervote

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29. As was pointed out earlier today by aoc... "some people campaign as if there was no internet."
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:50 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie...this isn’t going away

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Skidmore

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2. It's about time.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

"Small donors" and saying you aren't a PAC doesn't mean you are above the law. Tired of finger wagging lectures to those who follow the law.

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ehrnst

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5. If sunlight is the best disinfectant, one doesn't have to worry about it shining in
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jan 2020

if one doesn't need any disinfecting.

Somehow, I think that the Sanders team won't see it that way.

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Gothmog

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6. Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders group
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

sanders has laundered a ton of dirty money


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LongtimeAZDem

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16. The Sanders campaign trumpeted those 4th quarter numbers to show that he was out-raising
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jan 2020

the other candidates; subtracting 8 million from his total puts him in the same ballpark as everyone else.

IF this is true, it could be construed as an attempt to perpetrate a fraud, in furtherance of unlawful fund-raising.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. Friends of Bernie Sanders, Inc, and the recipient of the $, Bernie2020, share the same office....
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jan 2020
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George II

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32. WOW! So he's got a "foreign nonprofit" (incorporated in California) based in Vermont....
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jan 2020

....whose stated reason for existence is to elect a candidate to the United States Senate. "Oh what a tangled web we weave....."

I wonder how Rachel Maddow will handle this once she catches wind of it.

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ehrnst

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36. The California part I understand - the main office applies for all the state chapter incorporations.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jan 2020

It's the "foreign nonprofit' that's curious.

It could all be very much a legal, if obscure, way to incorporate, however, if this had been named Warren2020 or Biden2020, this would have already been all over DU, and have been called "SHADY" and "CORRUPT" by many Sanders supporters.

I'm also curious about the financial setup and contractual setup with Bernie and Jane being the officers of Bernie2020, which gets unlimited transfers from "Friends of Bernie Sanders."

Campaign finance is not my wheelhouse, so I'm going to ask friends who know more about this.





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Skya Rhen

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7. Nobody believes that Bernie is corrupt but this investigation is not a good look...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jan 2020
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MH1

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12. I'm not nobody
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020

... last I checked.

I haven't thought about the angle much but I was not shocked by the Common Cause allegation. So yes, I could believe Bernie is corrupt by many people's definition. Probably not his own - his ego would rationalize away any of his bad acts.

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Scurrilous

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8. But I thought Bernie's money was small and pure.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jan 2020
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BannonsLiver

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9. Ohhh you don't say
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jan 2020

I’m shocked I tell you! Shocked!



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The Valley Below

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10. I'm not sure how any reasonable person could read the applicable tax and campaign finance laws
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jan 2020

around 501.c4s and conclude that the operations of Our Revolution are legal or are in conformance with the law.

This is a dark money organization that is operating illegally.

Bad. Bad. Bad.

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BannonsLiver

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11. Don't worry. The gaslighting will commence shortly.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

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13. How would clearly illegal activities be justified?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020

Especially when running against dark money is--in theory--a central point in the campaign.

What's the defense? "It's not wrong if we do it?" LOL.

Not sure that flies.

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BannonsLiver

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14. I'm not sure
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

But what I’ve seen is there are two separate standards. One for that candidate and another for everyone else. Essentially if He is doing it, it must be okay, will be the likely defense, if I had to guess.

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The Valley Below

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15. I will stay tuned to see how this gets spun.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

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38. I don't envy anyone answering phones in Common Cause offices...
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020

After what happend to WFP after they endorsed Warren...

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The Valley Below

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39. I know what you are saying.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 03:49 PM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

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24. Justification often comes in the form of denial.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

See also: diehard followers of DJT

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The Valley Below

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25. What's to deny? The numbers are in black and white and the law (and law-breaking)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:06 PM
Jan 2020

are clear on their face, no?

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ehrnst

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26. I'm talking about those who will find a justification, no matter how non-existent
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

to support a candidate, no matter what comes out about them.

Like Trump said - he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and his supporters would still defend him.

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The Valley Below

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27. I see what you are saying.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

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35. Thanks for posting this...K&R
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jan 2020
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R B Garr

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17. Great to see hypocrisy exposed!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for posting.

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Gothmog

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18. sanders funneled 8 million dollars illegally from his secret PAC/Super Pac "Friends Of Bernie Sander
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jan 2020
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BannonsLiver

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19. Like bean farts
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jan 2020

This has the smell of something that will linger.

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Cha

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28. Shine the Light!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jan 2020
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NCProgressive

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33. About time
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jan 2020

Investigate Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress as well

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NYMinute

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34. What about the Sanders Institute and Friends of Bernie Sanders?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:23 AM - Edit history (1)

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ehrnst

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37. That didn't turn out to be anything illegal.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jan 2020

Senate financial disclosures confirmed that Sanders received no royalties from the books in question.

Given that these purchases were reported and FEC spared no time or expense handing him a 645 page violation letter, it's safe to assume that they noticed and followed up on this issue. The only entities profiting would be the publishing house and the campaign fund (not Sanders personally).

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Gothmog

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40. sanders is getting support from even more dark money
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jan 2020
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